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Groovelord Neato posted:hybrids in everquest were 2/3 warrior and 1/3 the respective caster (paladin 1/3 cleric, shadow knight 1/3 necro, ranger 1/3 druid). the problem was rangers were more like 1/3 warrior 1/3 druid 1/3 poo poo. Ranger always seems like more of a rogue hybrid than a warrior, with the lower HP than other hybrids and chain armor and whatnot. It's just that what ranger gave up compared to rogue (hide+sneak, backstab) was way way better than what they got for it in exchange (low level bullshit druid spells and not even the good ones). They don't even get spirit of the wolf until what, mid-30s? To top that off, before Velious they ate poo poo on that hybrid xp penalty. They had warrior taunt but a glass jaw to go along with it. Granted rogues had their own terrible mechanics to deal with (see poison making and how few people actually engage with it in any meaningful manner) but at least they excelled at putting pointy objects in squishy things with even minimal investment.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Yeah, he’s also the guy that made a lengthy blogpost about how his guild missed a world first EQ raid boss kill because he accidentally sliced his sack open shaving in the shower. Also made a lengthy blog post about a eq boss that was bugged to be unkillable but the devs wouldn't admit it. This was also later done in the same tone by another player in wow for cthun.
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DeathSandwich posted:Ranger always seems like more of a rogue hybrid than a warrior, with the lower HP than other hybrids and chain armor and whatnot. It's just that what ranger gave up compared to rogue (hide+sneak, backstab) was way way better than what they got for it in exchange (low level bullshit druid spells and not even the good ones). They don't even get spirit of the wolf until what, mid-30s? To top that off, before Velious they ate poo poo on that hybrid xp penalty. They had warrior taunt but a glass jaw to go along with it. yeah you're right. it's just weird they hosed it up so bad. it wouldn't have been hard to make em bow and arrow guys.
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Jun 18, 2018 23:43
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Groovelord Neato posted:yeah you're right. it's just weird they hosed it up so bad. it wouldn't have been hard to make em bow and arrow guys. Wasn’t part of the reason rangers sucked because the early EQ code was so poo poo the game would miss a LOT of arrow hits? I remember if a mob was touching a wall, then very often the game would register a miss.
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Just having gone from Vanilla to PoP on the last Progression Server in EQ I have to disagree with rangers being bad. Actually in Classic and Kunark they are, in my opinion, the best tank a 6man party can with for, as long as the ranger has level adequate gear. Their aggro generation cannot be beaten (snare, flame lick) and especially on slowed mobs there is no group content they cannot tank. Velious is maybe the weakest expansion for rangers, where some of the mini bosses hit too hard to be confortable. Starting with Luclin rangers turn into ranged dps, but with a correct investment of AA their mellee damage and tank remains adequate. With PoTime weapons their melee dps one again is nothing to laugh at either. True, in 1999 the hybrid exp penalty hurt them, but such is penalty has been removed and no game dev will ever put something like it back in. Hybrid tanks are heavily saught after in groups, and make amazing offtanks in raids due to imroved snap aggro generation. Warriors remain the best Boss tanks, but that is only because of Defensive stance.
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Jun 19, 2018 13:08
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Just because the content is era specific doesn’t mean the classes are. EQ TLE servers still run on modern architecture with years of bug fixes, buffs and QOL improvements. Like in ‘99 a ranger wouldn’t start receiving spells until level 9 and wouldn’t have enough to fill all 8 gems until mid 20s. Not to mention a skill caps well below what they currently are. I think at the time rangers dual wield capped at 100 at level 50.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Just because the content is era specific doesn’t mean the classes are. EQ TLE servers still run on modern architecture with years of bug fixes, buffs and QOL improvements. Like in ‘99 a ranger wouldn’t start receiving spells until level 9 and wouldn’t have enough to fill all 8 gems until mid 20s. Not to mention a skill caps well below what they currently are. I think at the time rangers dual wield capped at 100 at level 50. No, IIRC they actually got dual wield up to 200 skill. They had a lower cap on double attack (iirc it was 175, which was still pretty respectable) but they didn't get the big damage backstabs/flying kicks like rogues/monks nor the beefy crits/crippling blows like warriors. Their spell damage options were roundly pretty terrible by the level you got it and yeah flame lick + snare did ok for aggro, but you know what worked better? Pal stuns and SK disease cloud and those were attached to classes that didn't have glass jaws. The only thing Rangers had that could make the other tanks/pullers truly envious was harmony, which druids had access to as well and was also really more useful when tandem pulling with a monk or SK. I think the only dual wielder that capped out at a dual wield skill below 150 was Bard, and theirs only went to like 75-100. Monk DW caps went up to like 225, I think warrior/Rogue went to 210, Ranger 200. Double attack was like 220 Warrior, 215-210 for monk/rogue, 200 for SK/Pal, and 175 for ranger.
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Jun 19, 2018 21:02
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I’m glad Pantheon is a real game that will come out and I will play it.
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Jun 19, 2018 22:30
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it won't exist but it'd be nice if it did it'd be cool to relive those eq days without a server full of everyone with a dozen level 60 characters.
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Jun 19, 2018 22:56
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Ad by Khad posted:I don't agree. Eve Online for years has hired people based on their reddit posts. Ocean Quigley got to be the head of an entire Simcity project because he was some random artist that had been with the company forever. Lots of developers who worked on that abysmal tire fire Wildstar were rewarded by being picked up by Blizzard. This is funny because Wildstar was started by ex-Blizzard employees.
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I said come in! posted:This is funny because Wildstar was started by ex-Blizzard employees. It's like the NFL when assistant coaches go for a head coach job, flame out horribly and get picked up as an assistant coach again by their original team! Not sure why I thought of that analogy; I don't even watch football anymore.
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Jun 20, 2018 00:35
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Ad by Khad posted:I don't agree. Eve Online for years has hired people based on their reddit posts. Ocean Quigley got to be the head of an entire Simcity project because he was some random artist that had been with the company forever. Lots of developers who worked on that abysmal tire fire Wildstar were rewarded by being picked up by Blizzard. Honestly, I kinda want to see how far I can get just by bluffing Like one day I emerge from a fever dream and I'm lead quest designer and I have no memory of the past six months and I have 37 missed calls
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I said come in! posted:This is funny because Wildstar was started by ex-Blizzard employees. Wildstar and Firefall are both good examples of how many former Blizzard employees no longer work for Blizzard for a reason.
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Healing class descriptions are up https://pantheonmmo.com/classes/cleric/ https://pantheonmmo.com/classes/druid/ https://pantheonmmo.com/classes/shaman/ It's really nice to see how much variety they have planned for these classes. All of the healing works differently and even plays off of each other. Man, I love the class designs in theory so far. I hope they get this dumb game working.
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sounds cool. Shaman seems very EQ-esque, except they moved the wolf pet to Druid in the form of a fox. I don't see any teleport spells for the Druid - wonder if the Wizard will have them, or if they're abandoning ports for some other mechanic for getting around the world? Cleric looks like it's evolved slightly from "sit on your rear end and heal every so often", but I'm not sure by how much. edit: INT casters when?!
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Jul 12, 2018 01:57
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cmdrk posted:edit: INT casters when?! Whenever bloodmages are in.
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cmdrk posted:sounds cool. Shaman seems very EQ-esque, except they moved the wolf pet to Druid in the form of a fox. I don't see any teleport spells for the Druid - wonder if the Wizard will have them, or if they're abandoning ports for some other mechanic for getting around the world? No, shammy still has wolf pet. They have not mentioned about porting as of yet, looks like it is still being worked on. INT casters writeup/reveal most likely next month, 2nd Wednesday.
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Stanley Pain posted:Whenever bloodmages are in. We can only wish for the best MMORPG support class to be added one day.
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I wouldn't mind if he blatantly copy/pasted the blood mage and disciple, those were really fun and unique classes.
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Node posted:I wouldn't mind if he blatantly copy/pasted the blood mage and disciple, those were really fun and unique classes. I agree. I miss my blood mage, and this would probably be the only thing that would ever get me to actually give this concept of a game a chance.
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Bahanahab posted:I agree. I miss my blood mage, and this would probably be the only thing that would ever get me to actually give this concept of a game a chance. what about the feeling of camaraderie and bonding with your group mates that can only be found in the pain and suffering of endlessly grinding dungeons??
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Ehud posted:what about the feeling of camaraderie and bonding with your group mates that can only be found in the pain and suffering of endlessly grinding dungeons?? Left where it belongs, in the past and occasionally on private servers for those with specific brain worms.
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Node posted:I wouldn't mind if he blatantly copy/pasted the blood mage and disciple, those were really fun and unique classes. Im still not clear why some other game hasnt done exactly this. And defense/offensive targets too.
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CoffeeBooze posted:Im still not clear why some other game hasnt done exactly this. And defense/offensive targets too. Most games are going away from having tab targeting so I imagine that is why no one has copied that.
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also most games just go for generic classes. say what you will about pill popper brad mcquaid, he doesn't disappoint on the class design front.
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I want a game with unique classes, slower combat that is still interesting, content that I can complete within chunks of 3-4 hours at a time, unique equipment and skills and spell that feels special to obtain. Also a game that is actually released that I get to play without paying $1000 USD for early access
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Ehud posted:I want a game with unique classes, slower combat that is still interesting, content that I can complete within chunks of 3-4 hours at a time, unique equipment and skills and spell that feels special to obtain. You can only have one of these things, choose wisely, maybe 2 if you give $500.
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Ehud posted:I want a game with unique classes, slower combat that is still interesting, content that I can complete within chunks of 3-4 hours at a time, unique equipment and skills and spell that feels special to obtain. All of the MMORPGs like this are bad.
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I said come in! posted:All of the MMORPGs like this are bad. please post which MMORPGs are like this so I can immediately go play them. Edit: I should add that I want soloing to be very difficult and I prefer to rely on grouping
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Ehud posted:please post which MMORPGs are like this so I can immediately go play them. Shroud of the Avatar! Come play, gamer!
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Node posted:Shroud of the Avatar! Come play, gamer! lol that game doesn’t fit the description, silly billy God I’ve never laughed so hard in an mmorpg as when I played that game. Ehud fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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Ehud posted:please post which MMORPGs are like this so I can immediately go play them. Lv75 capped ffxi private server.
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I dont think anybody is gonna play this besides a few Project 1999 neckbeards, 10 goons from this thread, and some Cohhcarnage viewers. I dont even think the progression server live EQ crowd would like this, used as they are to buying and selling kronos, instancing, cash shop cosmetics, exp pots and godawful modernisations of the poor EQ we once remembered. If they get 10k subs at launch Ill be shocked.
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Athropos posted:I dont think anybody is gonna play this besides a few Project 1999 neckbeards, 10 goons from this thread, and some Cohhcarnage viewers. I dont even think the progression server live EQ crowd would like this, used as they are to buying and selling kronos, instancing, cash shop cosmetics, exp pots and godawful modernisations of the poor EQ we once remembered. If they get 10k subs at launch Ill be shocked. i agree that we should celebrate the tight knit community
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I want to believe in magic, but the truth is people have forgotten why we moved away from slow as molasses, team-based leveling. This will remind them. >10k at launch, <1k after a couple months.
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I actually know a few people in real life who are super excited to play this. Theyve been playing EQ for two decades now and plan to jump ship once it releases. Im curious how long they will actually stick with Pantheon though because they are super, super invested in EQ at this point and I really dont think they can actually give it up. My prediction is that theyll give Pantheon a try, find that its not different enough to justify fracturing the communities theyve been a part of for decades and abandoning their multiple EQ accounts over and go back to EQ. They will then continue to play EQ until the servers close or they die.
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Ehud posted:i agree that we should celebrate the tight knit community The tight knit community that despite their incredibly similar niche tastes generally still acts like a bunch of chuds arguing with each other in city chat or ignoring each other save for the 8 people on at a time in their guild.
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I'm kinda looking forward to it but only because I miss CC classes:\ I'll probably hate it.
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I'm gonna buy this game and play a Shaman for two months just like I did that other game that was just like this and had a cool bard system and a big open world.
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it blows my mind anyone would play current eq over project 1999 (if you were someone who wanted to play eq that is).
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