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Didn't the old iBooks have a rubber membrane too?
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Shaocaholica posted:“suck it up whiners” is not a very compelling argument for a platform tho True. But I’m tired of the lie about what pros need that’s constantly being used by people who don’t know what their talking about.
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https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/2018-macbook-pro-benchmarks Wow, looks like the 13-inch 2018 rMBP has the fastest speeds out of any SSDs tested on laptops so far; 2.5 GB / sec. Even the vaunted Dell XPS 13 only manages 399 MB / sec? Tests were done using BlackMagic Speed test, a cross-platform storage benchmark app. Geez, I can only get close to those speeds from a 970 Pro mounted in a special NVMe to PCIe bridge card in my modded Mac Pro.. Edit: APFS also may be a factor.. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Jul 14, 2018 |
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Jul 14, 2018 02:42
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Nvme va SATA? Aren’t the other ssd’s in the last few years macs almost that fast?
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KingEup posted:Dental dam. Lisa needs braces!
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Jul 14, 2018 02:50
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Bob Morales posted:Nvme va SATA? Aren’t the other ssd’s in the last few years macs almost that fast? yeah, if i remember correctly most mac SSDs are pci based. probably not nvme but faster than sata at the very least
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No, it's NVMe.. they're using NAND chips for the SSDs it's gotta be SSD. Also.. As we I type, I'm on a Late 2013 rMBP upgraded to a 1 TB Samsung 960 Pro NVMe with a special adapter. MacBook Pros have had an NVMe driver in ROM ever since the Early 2015 models to boot. Also have a Mac Pro (Late 2012) with a 512 GB NVMe Samsung PRO 970 in a PCIe carrier that's had the NVMe driver from the Late 2013 Trash Can injected into the BootROM and boots off of the SSD in seconds.
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Jul 14, 2018 03:36
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Binary Badger posted:Edit: APFS also may be a factor.. Like around 90% of it, for at least the file copy test. I mean sure it's likely a very fast SSD and it's certainly relevant to a single-drive system, but I get the same thing on my Mac Mini. It's a feature of the file system, you certainly wouldn't get that copying from the same SSD to another.
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Jul 14, 2018 04:01
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Pretty sure every modern pro camera can push your photos over via WiFi. And even if they don’t, WiFi capable SD cards exist.
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Jul 14, 2018 04:03
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AlternateAccount posted:Pretty sure every modern pro camera can push your photos over via WiFi. And even if they don’t, WiFi capable SD cards exist. it's still slower, or at the very least, the speeds have a potential to be slower, than a loving memory card and reader
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Bob Morales posted:$199 FOR A LEATHER SLEEVE?
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"why do you want to move files from your computer to your phone with a usb cable when you could just upload it to google drive and download it from the google drive app on your phone"
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Jul 14, 2018 04:08
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Small White Dragon posted:Any recommendations for good sleeves that don't cost a bazillion dollars? https://www.picasolab.com I love the Classic (the ones without the little tabs) and have used it with my 2012 MBP since I got it. It’s held up amazingly well and I still get compliments on it. Dark brown outside and red inside. No logos or any other crap, just simple leather stitched really well together. I think it’s one dude in his garage who makes them.
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Small White Dragon posted:Any recommendations for good sleeves that don't cost a bazillion dollars? I have a water field one but I kinda don’t care for it much. It’s nice that it can hold a charger but it’s just a little weird. I do like the ones posted above they look really nice.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:Like around 90% of it, for at least the file copy test. I mean sure it's likely a very fast SSD and it's certainly relevant to a single-drive system, but I get the same thing on my Mac Mini. It's a feature of the file system, you certainly wouldn't get that copying from the same SSD to another. They also tested with BlackMagic to avoid APFS trickery, and got 2682 MBps average write speed. That's a nice chunk faster than Apple's claimed 3.2 GB/s read, 2.2 GB/s write.
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FCKGW posted:Didn't the old iBooks have a rubber membrane too? I'm pretty sure they did. I only know this because the glue holding down the membranes would decay and start to smell like body odor. I gave that old iBook to a friend and he gave it back.
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Binary Badger posted:https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/2018-macbook-pro-benchmarks That huge difference in CPU is pretty odd. The Dell has a 8550U, the Surface Book 2 a 8650U. The MBP can BTO a 8559U, which I'm guessing is another Apple-specific SKU? It's also 28W not 15W like the rest.
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~Coxy posted:That huge difference in CPU is pretty odd. It's the L4 cache that makes the difference (128 MB eDRAM). The new 13" looks kind of decent, the performance of an old 15" in the 13" MBA form factor. 2133 MHz DDR3 paired with an iGPU in 2018 is a joke though. Memory latency of the new 13" in geekbench is really high too, around 130ns in multiple runs. The older 15" with 1600 DDR3 report ~75ns. I wonder if they cut corners with cheaper RAM/looser timings because the cache makes up for it in most situations. e: here are benchmarks of the new machines in various configurations: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?q=MacbookPro15%2C eames fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Jul 14, 2018 |
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i swear people in this thread would defend the flip down bay door from the original macbook air. i'm not going to look but i bet there were people doing just that in older mac threads. and i'd be less annoyed by the "usb-c only" if apple wasn't so inherently hypocritical about it with their other products. its been what, 2-3 generations of iphones and they still provide cables where neither side is a usb-c plug. how much faith does apple have in an all usb-c world if their own products don't even support it.
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AlternateAccount posted:Pretty sure every modern pro camera can push your photos over via WiFi. And even if they don’t, WiFi capable SD cards exist. That’s great in a pinch, but it doesn’t cut it for heavy use, like someone who can fill multiple cards on a shoot. And I’m not about to move high bitrate 4K videos over wifi. Cameras are, like, really popular, especially among the kind of crowd that buys “prosumer” computer poo poo. I don’t understand why people keep talking about it like it’s a weird edge case.
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Wikipedia Brown posted:I don’t understand why people keep talking about it like it’s a weird edge case. They love Apple a bit too much and are too unfamiliar with actual pro / semi-pro workflows. It's best to recognize that most people on the Internet really have no idea what they're talking about.
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This very forum has like 20 years of evidence documenting that. Even if one is correct today, tomorrow they will get something wrong and hear about it for three pages.
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Apples core market are not tech savvy and not creative professionals. Can you really blame them for catering to them?
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Shaocaholica posted:Apples core market are not tech savvy and not creative professionals. Can you really blame them for catering to them? Seems weird then that the ads for the pro are all about creative professionals. I mean, what the heck is the thin Macbook for, then? I guess the thinking behind the marketing could be that non-techies will see it and think, “if it’s good enough for professional video production, it should be great for having my identity stolen and forwarding racist chain emails to my grandkids!” I mean, I wish I could get away with one of the non-pros for my tasks. The original Air was my favorite laptop of all time. I just need the pro for pro stuff.
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Wikipedia Brown posted:
It’s this and also it’s the democratisation of creative production (IE the relative ease at which people can learn to create new media, music, videos etcetera) thanks to the availability of cheap tools and tutorials now means everybody considers themselves something of a creative. (Apple even includes pretty good tools in the box for free). This is probably where lots of the ‘do it for the exposure’ crap comes from, because the difference between a pro who has put years into their craft and an amateur having a go is not as immediately different as it used to be on a superficial level. So average person sees pros using X brand in a creative sense, X brand markets themselves as the creative tool of pros, people buy with the belief that it will make them more pro at creative stuff.
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Wikipedia Brown posted:I guess the thinking behind the marketing could be that non-techies will see it and think, “if it’s good enough for professional video production, it should be great for having my identity stolen and forwarding racist chain emails to my grandkids!” Eh, sort of. Your right that Mac's haven't actually been the best platform for getting most poo poo done since Windows got proper colour support, and Adobe stopped treating MacOS as the primary target platform. But they aren't selling a computer, they're selling the dream that if you buy their machine, you'll personally become a super cool fashion photographer or film director or whatever, and then everyone will want to have sex with you. What's clever / insidious is that it actually forms a bit of a feedback loop; for example, my last agency furnished me with a gaming PC complete with rainbow coloured keyboard, and while it was the best PC I've ever used for actually doing my job, I was openly laughed at in client meetings when I pulled it out. That thing would eat pretty much any MBP alive. Again; Apple are not selling a computer, they're selling a brand, and if you pull out a modern MacBook Pro in a meeting, that says something about who you are. It doesn't matter what MS does with the Surface line, the second you pull one out, congratulations, you are a middle manager who uses Excel and probably owns 10 different ties. Apple's brand ends up having value to pros because Apple's brand is perceived as having value to pros. It's more a watch than their actual watch is. Ironically, MacOS is legit better than Windows for doing one thing; any programming that involves Unix (I'm not counting iOS because that's ecosystem lock-in rather than capability at play). And open source coding in a terminal using loving VIM is about as far away from their brand image as you can really get.
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Pastamania posted:Ironically, MacOS is legit better than Windows for doing one thing; any programming that involves Unix Star War Sex Parrot fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jul 14, 2018 |
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Lol if anyone does posix coding in windows unless it’s the only machine they have and the world is in ruins.
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Pastamania posted:Mac's haven't actually been the best platform for getting most poo poo done since Windows got proper colour support I haven’t seriously used windows in years. Explain?
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I assume it's one of those things where explaining to people what ColorSync was and how individual vendor-supported color-matching technologies were a poor and inconsistently trustable alternative increasingly fell on deaf ears until the world collectively gave up and said "ehh good enough is good enough".
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Fun fact about colors: my Windows laptop has an awesome super-wide gamut 4K display, which I calibrated with one of those thingies, and man it does work great, except that tons of Windows applications (including built-in Microsoft apps) just ignore color management altogether. It's infuriating. One really weird thing that I've missed about having a Mac, and I'm super looking forward to with the one I'm getting, is having a good selection of word processors that can render text worth a poo poo. You've got markdown editors out the wazoo, script writing programs and a bunch of good distraction-free writers. The selection on windows is really terrible for some reason. The few attempts at slick editors just wither before they get their poo poo together. Does MacOS just have some great framework built-in for that kind of thing? What's the deal? Why doesn't Windows get stuff like Byword and Highland? Is this another one of those user perception things, where people think that only macs are for writing?
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I just picked up a 13" MBP from the apple store. This thing is amazing, it's as fast, or even faster, then my maxed out 2015 15" MBP. This thing feels like it has the same footprint of a 13" MBA but with a beefy processor and retina display.
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I use WIndows for most things but video editing.. ARRRG!
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Wikipedia Brown posted:Fun fact about colors: my Windows laptop has an awesome super-wide gamut 4K display, which I calibrated with one of those thingies, and man it does work great, except that tons of Windows applications (including built-in Microsoft apps) just ignore color management altogether. It's infuriating. I don’t know, but totally agree. I wouldn’t trade my iMac 5k for the world since I’m a publisher. I will be picking up a new chromebook Acer 13 this fall though since it has a retina screen, good enough keyboard and only costs $400 to $500. I can’t justify a MacBook for just a coffee shop and trip machine. Hoping that novrl looks good on the high res screen.
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You can always install Linux on Chromebooks too.
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Install Linux. Problem solved.
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Housh posted:Install Linux. Problems started.
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Or to paraphrase the old sawquote:Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use Linux." Now they have two problems.
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Linux is great when you have a support base of many many nerds maintaining your own special distribution and software such as that of a large tech company.
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Oh the wonders that could be achieved using the form factor of the 2012 MBP. Or even better the 2008.
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