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LeoMarr posted:Yeah of alcohol make room for avocado farms in plce of those drat wineties Are you having a stroke?
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mila kunis posted:Does the jungle primary ever lead to republicans getting elected from vote splitting? I don't think there's been any real notable cases but the jungle primary has only been in place since 2012 so it's only been a few elections.
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mila kunis posted:Does the jungle primary ever lead to republicans getting elected from vote splitting? It was a big fear this year that dems might get locked out of some districts via vote splitting because the blue wave caused SO MANY dem candidates to run, but AFAIK they managed to get a dem on the ballot in every district. There were a few close calls though.
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mila kunis posted:Does the jungle primary ever lead to republicans getting elected from vote splitting? The race for state treasurer in WA during the 2016 primary is one example (and the only one I could find): D votes outweighed R overall in the primary, at 51% vs 48%, but votes were split relatively evenly between the 3 D candidates and 2 R, resulting in two R's on the final ballot. It's worth noting that the electorate was pretty evenly split to begin with in that race, though.
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There’s also scores of people who should know better who think it’s still the 80s and that Republicans still have a solid shot at statewide offices so we need to go with a Reasonable Centrist to not shake things up too much, as well as people who really aren’t that progressive and don’t give a poo poo about universal healthcare so long as they can get gay married.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:There’s also scores of people who should know better who think it’s still the 80s and that Republicans still have a solid shot at statewide offices so we need to go with a Reasonable Centrist to not shake things up too much, as well as people who really aren’t that progressive and don’t give a poo poo about universal healthcare so long as they can get gay married. or more realistically and relevant to who the dems are taking bribes from, are rich and want there to not be free healthcare so they can hold their employees in serfdom, but want to get married themselves
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Jul 16, 2018 21:34
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The damnedest thing is that lots of corporations want some sort of government-run health care system because it means they wouldn't have to pay for their employees' health insurance.
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Jul 16, 2018 22:11
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The damnedest thing is that lots of corporations want some sort of government-run health care system because it means they wouldn't have to pay for their employees' health insurance.
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Jul 16, 2018 22:19
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:The damnedest thing is that lots of corporations want some sort of government-run health care system because it means they wouldn't have to pay for their employees' health insurance.
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Jul 16, 2018 22:48
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cheese posted:Haha no, employer provided healthcare is the cudgel used to keep the middle class in line. Thinking about filing a complaint with HR about sexual harassment? Maybe holding out for better wages? Angry enough to go protest in the streets about economic justice or police brutality? You better think twice unless you want medical bankruptcy. Or at the very least, negotiating the nightmare of being between jobs and trying to get health care. Whatever money corporate America might save from a national single payer health care plan would not be worth it, and there is some question as to whether it would even save them money as such a national plan would certainly include higher taxes on the very wealthy. With the exception that companies that are unionized generally do want government health care, since they don't have that cudgel to use anyway. That's why you get things like the major car companies or airlines being in support of national healthcare.
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Isn't COBRA universal for all companies with 20+ employees?
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Leperflesh posted:Isn't COBRA universal for all companies with 20+ employees? Ever tried paying COBRA prices, tho?
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Leperflesh posted:Isn't COBRA universal for all companies with 20+ employees? COBRA was up to 800 dollars a month for my 20 dollar an hour friend last I heard If you're thinking "that's devastating" then yeah I agree with you
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Leperflesh posted:Isn't COBRA universal for all companies with 20+ employees? COBRA is often more expensive than paying retail rates. At least it was for me via Kaiser Permanente.
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Cobra would cost me $1300/month and I'm single with no dependents. E: Yes, I have a 'Cadilac' plan.
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Yeah COBRA rates are crazy to the point that they're functionally worthless.
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Good point. Especially hard to pay when you're unemployed.
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mila kunis posted:Does the jungle primary ever lead to republicans getting elected from vote splitting? It did in my district in 2012, but it was corrected in 2014 and I don't think it happens a lot.
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Not surprising. https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1018961456098828289
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Doesn't CA-8 have two Republicans on the ballot? In 2014 CA-25 had two Republicans as well. Having two members of the same party being the only choices in a general election is bullshit, even if the demographics of California voters means that the bullshit would mostly hurt Republicans.
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Leperflesh posted:Good point. Especially hard to pay when you're unemployed. Sydin posted:Yeah COBRA rates are crazy to the point that they're functionally worthless.
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cheese posted:Haha no, employer provided healthcare is the cudgel used to keep the middle class in line. Thinking about filing a complaint with HR about sexual harassment? Maybe holding out for better wages? Angry enough to go protest in the streets about economic justice or police brutality? You better think twice unless you want medical bankruptcy. Or at the very least, negotiating the nightmare of being between jobs and trying to get health care. Whatever money corporate America might save from a national single payer health care plan would not be worth it, and there is some question as to whether it would even save them money as such a national plan would certainly include higher taxes on the very wealthy. "Yes let's turn down an immediate boost to our bottom line on the basis of plausible negative medium term consequences" --literally no corporation ever
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Besides they can have the best of both worlds by just lobbying for a still-pretty-poo poo healthcare system but externalizing the costs
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I changed jobs early this year and got a COBRA packet for the lull between gigs. It was going to be something insane like $1300 for 4 weeks of COBRA coverage. So my options were: 1. Pay out the goddamn nose for COBRA knowing I probably won't even use it AND that even if I did have to use it I'd just be paying for the same high deductible plan I already had, so I'd be looking at $1300 + the full medical costs anyway. 2. Shop for a bare minimum Covered CA plan that I would then have to drop in a month, which would also be expensive and also a huge time sink and also not pay for a lot. 3. Go uninsured for a month and pray to all the religious deities that I didn't have a medical emergency during the brief window and get pounded into infinite medical debt. (What I chose because I'm young and reckless  )Insurance and medical costs in this country are so goddamn hosed and all it takes is one little thing going wrong at the bad time to potentially ruin your finances forever.
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Yeah, this makes a ton of sense...
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Sydin posted:I changed jobs early this year and got a COBRA packet for the lull between gigs. It was going to be something insane like $1300 for 4 weeks of COBRA coverage. So my options were: COBRA has a weird retroactive thing. You can opt in up to 60 days after leaving your last job and get retroactive coverage. So if you get hit by a car in your uninsured window, you retroactively enroll, pay the $1300/month back to when you left your job, and are fine. It's dumb and confusing.
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Foxfire_ posted:COBRA has a weird retroactive thing. You can opt in up to 60 days after leaving your last job and get retroactive coverage. So if you get hit by a car in your uninsured window, you retroactively enroll, pay the $1300/month back to when you left your job, and are fine.
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My mom is apparently using COBRA for two whole years between when she retires and when Medicare kicks in. She contributed to some tax deferred health savings account to save up the money for it. So there's one other use I guess.
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Foxfire_ posted:COBRA has a weird retroactive thing. You can opt in up to 60 days after leaving your last job and get retroactive coverage. So if you get hit by a car in your uninsured window, you retroactively enroll, pay the $1300/month back to when you left your job, and are fine. Oh wow, really? Would have saved myself a lot of stress if I'd known that. 
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Is Rohrbacher looking vulnerable? I mean, does being a Russian tool even count points against you in a Republican district today?
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Morbus posted:"Yes let's turn down an immediate boost to our bottom line on the basis of plausible negative medium term consequences" --literally no corporation ever Lol if you think that businesses in the US today aren't using every cudgel in their arsenal to keep their employees in line and terrified of being fired. Normally I'd say you're right that they'll take any chance to disinvest in their labor force, but in this case they'd just drop health coverage for their employees entirely over paying taxes for a nationalized healthcare system.
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a_good_username posted:Yeah, this makes a ton of sense... http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/397378-poll-dem-challenger-narrowly-leads-rohrabacherf Good news though, the dem challenger is leading him slightly. With this information Harley Rouda needs to hammer him for being unamerican as gently caress.
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I got into a conversation with a homeless woman about feinstein and when I mentioned people running against her she said "they should be running over her"
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Lol if you think that businesses in the US today aren't using every cudgel in their arsenal to keep their employees in line and terrified of being fired. Normally I'd say you're right that they'll take any chance to disinvest in their labor force, but in this case they'd just drop health coverage for their employees entirely over paying taxes for a nationalized healthcare system. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/worker-wages-drop-while-companies-spend-billions-to-boost-stocks/ Worker Wages Drop While Companies Spend Billions To Boost Stocks Edit: and another good one https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/july-august-2018/the-truth-about-big-business/ I think I've mentioned it before but I work at a company where there's about a dozen dead-eyed boomers in their sixties who are only here for medical coverage. They are tired, broken down, and largely worthless. It's very sad. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Jul 17, 2018 |
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Pomp posted:I got into a conversation with a homeless woman about feinstein and when I mentioned people running against her she said "they should be running over her" God bless
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Zwabu posted:Is Rohrbacher looking vulnerable? I mean, does being a Russian tool even count points against you in a Republican district today? I'm in his district, and am getting a poll phone call twice a week about the race. During the primary season it was one per day. Based on that alone, I'm thinking he is in trouble, but knowing the number of default R voters in our district, let alone my neighborhood, I would not take it as a given that he will lose.
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Update it to "Split into three states that form the new Republic of California. Oregon and Washington can come too, if they want." imo
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CPColin posted:Update it to "Split into three states that form the new Republic of California. Oregon and Washington can come too, if they want." imo Would vote yes.
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CPColin posted:Update it to "Split into three states that form the new Republic of California. Oregon and Washington can come too, if they want." imo 
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