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I presume "You run into someone off by their lonesome while you're playing Tracer and you enjoy cackling into the void like a supervillain" is a valid reason?
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Butter Hole posted:She's more suited for solo-lane, she doesn't have the peel or CC that a main tank needs to lock down the enemy team. Same with Blaze. You could probably win with her on main tank but a traditional comp would have a solo laner (like Yrel), main tank, two assassins and a healer. What heros would you consider a main tank, and where to heroes like Tyrael and ETC fit in? They can't absorb tons of damage on their own, nor do they have particularly good waveclear.
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Heroes with both good sustain and lockdown make for good main tanks. Diablo, Muradin, Johanna, Garrosh. ETC can work but he is a bit squishy, if you don't get a kill immediately he has a tough time surviving when focused in a teamfight. Tyrael doesn't work for much of the same reasons Yrel doesn't.
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Jul 16, 2018 21:53
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Pointless team fights, pointless defenses (instead of backing out and not dying), and pointless camps are probably the cause for most losses under Diamond. So many times I see a lane getting pushed by the enemy, only for 2 or 3 teammates to be circle jerking a siege camp that ends up getting killed instantly anyway. Good poo poo guys. Also supports solo laning or the lone Kharazim doing camps by himself.
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Jul 16, 2018 21:54
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Azmodunk was my favorite and most played hero. But his rework really turns me off to his play now. + Demon talents and burning baseline + Three flavors of ways to enhance dunking + Laser is great now - What the gently caress did they do to Tides of Sin. I do less damage than before and on only one skill. - Either change the dunk zone warning on my dunk shot back to it was before it make it appear later when making long range shots.
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Jul 16, 2018 22:37
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Played my first Unranked draft maybe ever, and it went well. Very nice people on my team. I do wish there was a way to pass on being the banner though. I lost 8 straight QMs and still managed to be the ban picker 
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Jul 16, 2018 23:03
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ToastyPotato posted:Played my first Unranked draft maybe ever, and it went well. Very nice people on my team. I do wish there was a way to pass on being the banner though. I lost 8 straight QMs and still managed to be the ban picker Raynor and Fenix should be top picks for bans right now. After that Garrosh and or Varian. Lili isn’t a terrible choice either.
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ToastyPotato posted:Pointless team fights, pointless defenses (instead of backing out and not dying), and pointless camps are probably the cause for most losses under Diamond. So many times I see a lane getting pushed by the enemy, only for 2 or 3 teammates to be circle jerking a siege camp that ends up getting killed instantly anyway. Good poo poo guys. Also supports solo laning or the lone Kharazim doing camps by himself. If I'm like Rhaegar or something and no one will soak I just go do it. People usually switch once their health starts dripping away. Grabbin camps as whoever is fine I think as long as all the lanes are getting soaked. I get fairly consistently flamed when I grab camps as Genji though, people just really hate that. Only specialist like me, Sylvanus can get camps!
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Jul 16, 2018 23:19
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Excelsiortothemax posted:Raynor and Fenix should be top picks for bans right now. After that Garrosh and or Varian. Lili isn’t a terrible choice either. I ended up banning Raynor and Chromie as first bans. I almost banned Malf, but didn't because I thought a teammate might need it since we were quickly running out of support options, of course red team got Malf instead. We ended up with Lili though so it all worked out. appropriatemetaphor posted:If I'm like Rhaegar or something and no one will soak I just go do it. People usually switch once their health starts dripping away. Grabbin camps as whoever is fine I think as long as all the lanes are getting soaked. I get fairly consistently flamed when I grab camps as Genji though, people just really hate that. Only specialist like me, Sylvanus can get camps! There are plenty of great times to grab camps, but there are also a lot of bad ones and at my skill level people seem to obsess over grabbing camps when we are losing on soak and losing lanes.
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tanks do three things: 1) be hard to kill. This is a no brainer and there are no really squishy tanks, but it’s one reason why the meta ebbs and flows as tank HP and armor is buffed and nerfed. As an example, Johanna has an on-demand shield and Unstoppable and a blind to help keep her alive. Garrosh gains armor, has a self-heal and can make himself Unstoppable to escape. 2) set up kills for their team. This requires a strong engage and some lockdown. The weakest kind of lockdown is a slow, stuns are better, displacement is best of all. Johanna has a slow to stop enemies escaping, a stun that also pulls them in to their doom, and her ult is an aoe stun. Garrosh can stun enemies and throw them into his team to kill. 3) protect their squishies from being killed. This is “peel”. Johanna can blind AAers that are diving her back line and has two different aoe stuns to allow her fragile teammates to escape. Garrosh can stun enemies, throw his teammates to safety, and can force the enemy to attack him instead. if you are not good at all three things you are not a good main tank. Dehaka, for instance, has a self-heal, but his only defensive technique takes him out of the fight and renders him unable to do the other two things. He can lock someone down to set up a kill with his drag and his aoe reduces armor after level 13, but he can’t really peel and his only engage is to walk into the enemy. He works well as a second tank alongside a main tank as he can focus on setting up kills, letting the main tank engage and disrupt.
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Someone in this thread was like "Your Probius sits in lane all day, THEIR Probius has always set up a deathtrap at the point before it becomes available" and I was like, poo poo, yeah, I'm gonna be enemy Probius! I usually take the slow barrier, but on the "set up on the point" plan the extra lasers are key, and man, I've been crushing! I used to think he was kinda poor, but I've really come around to him now! Thanks goons!
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Jul 17, 2018 00:46
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!Klams posted:Someone in this thread was like "Your Probius sits in lane all day, THEIR Probius has always set up a deathtrap at the point before it becomes available" and I was like, poo poo, yeah, I'm gonna be enemy Probius! I usually take the slow barrier, but on the "set up on the point" plan the extra lasers are key, and man, I've been crushing! I used to think he was kinda poor, but I've really come around to him now! Thanks goons! Oh yeah, I hate playing really good Probius's. You think you've finally got them and then they pop their ult and there are suddenly 40 laser cannons shredding you.
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Hmm, my plan of just playing Johanna in HL has fallen apart when the whole team couldn't stop feeding. Also no one joined voice and only spoke up to say "I hate this" "gg" and "sorry I suck at video games". And people like sat in base going afk at random. Like what is this why do i have the most soak. Gold is as poo poo as Silver! 
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We are living in a timeline where James "Jimmy" Raynor is a strong contender for best Solo Laner in the game. That said I'm not sure if he's broken or just that easy to play well.
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he has a level 1 talent that gives +30% to all damage if that's not broken, I don't know what is
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Oh Jesus Christ, the enemy first pick (and their banner) banned Johanna and Li Li, then picked Raynor. What a time to be alive. Edit: oh thank god, it got dodged. Teammates were showing Tassadar and Illidan, and we'd already picked Muradin and Zul'jin.
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Jul 17, 2018 02:39
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SirSamVimes posted:he has a level 1 talent that gives +30% to all damage Raynor + Jaina OTP
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Hmm, my plan of just playing Johanna in HL has fallen apart when the whole team couldn't stop feeding. Also no one joined voice and only spoke up to say "I hate this" "gg" and "sorry I suck at video games". And people like sat in base going afk at random. I don't imagine that each game is better in gold, but the ratio of good vs. poo poo teams is going to be better.
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Figured I'd get a QM in to see if I could get a quick level on Zarya for the box but nope, I am put against a 4 stack with Tyrande vs no heals and a 0 kill Chromie that can't hit poo poo as the cherry on top. Tyrande, Raynor, Li Ming, Blaze and Azmo vs Zarya, Chen, Varian, Chromie, and Kel Thuzad. That's a character with a heal basic, 2 characters with built in self healing, and all around good laning and range vs my team. Nice. Blizzard really wants me to not play their game. I mean they sure as hell convinced me to not buy a stimpack. Or spend any money really.
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:I don't imagine that each game is better in gold, but the ratio of good vs. poo poo teams is going to be better. True it's been 1 real poo poo, 1 kinda poo poo, 4 good. Both bad games were Alterac Pass which I'm beginning to dislike by association. Orange Crush Rush posted:Raynor + Jaina OTP We were running Morales + Raynor + Jaina in QM for extra hate.
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Holy crap just moving into unranked from quick match has improved my game quality drastically. I get just abysmal teams maybe a fourth as often now.
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Orange Crush Rush posted:Raynor + Jaina OTP My preference for taking Slowing Sands almost every game is making the Raynor Revival really hilarious. "Hey Jimmy, everyone in this circle is slowed forever, have fun with that!  "
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fool_of_sound posted:Holy crap just moving into unranked from quick match has improved my game quality drastically. I get just abysmal teams maybe a fourth as often now. I'm leaning into giving up on QM for this reason but I have a bunch of characters under level 5 and I would like to get that gold and have them available for HL should I dip my toes in, and with UD I am just not guaranteed to be able to play them. But considering that I haven't won a QM since the patch dropped last week, I dunno maybe I should just stop worrying about that.
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appropriatemetaphor posted:True it's been 1 real poo poo, 1 kinda poo poo, 4 good. Both bad games were Alterac Pass which I'm beginning to dislike by association. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of AP. It feels much more confused than other maps, and I'm totally unable to figure out my already poor positioning especially around the prison camps just because there are so many different places bad guys can come from and flee to. I don't dislike the map in principle, but every game on it has been a mess. ToastyPotato posted:I'm leaning into giving up on QM for this reason but I have a bunch of characters under level 5 and I would like to get that gold and have them available for HL should I dip my toes in, and with UD I am just not guaranteed to be able to play them. But considering that I haven't won a QM since the patch dropped last week, I dunno maybe I should just stop worrying about that. Yeah, I only use QM to get heroes up to 5 now. You still get bullshit in UD, but way, way less of it, and you're generally able to play the hero you want or at least one close to it, and actually play a proper game instead of the chickens with their heads cut off and ridiculous comps in QM. I swear, when I play a tank there are no healers and when I play a support there are no tanks. It's maddening. I actually gave up with Xul and finished getting him to 5 in AI just because I can't figure out how to play him and don't like his abilities or trait. I think too much QM was part of why I stopped playing years ago (no UD back then and I know I'm not good enough for ranked)
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AP feels like the complete opposite of Cursed Hollow. In CH, your objective is minimal, so knowing how to poke, split push, rotate, and merc properly are all key to the map. It's even possible to give up an objective to catch back up if you need to. In AP, the objective is everything, so when it starts everything else is disregarded for the objective. Even if you're behind, you have to try fighting over it. Nothing else matters.
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i know it's the inferior ult, but lorenado should really initialize ON cain instead of front of him a bit, because it makes it useless at actually getting people off of you
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Relin posted:i know it's the inferior ult, but lorenado should really initialize ON cain instead of front of him a bit, because it makes it useless at actually getting people off of you Lorenado is not bad like Rocket Ride, it's just not the best pick as often. Gobbeldygook fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Jul 17, 2018 |
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I like Lorenado if there's no big burst to set up. Using it to push enemies into your root for either engaging or escaping is pretty handy. Plus it's sorta idiot-proof, like so many times I've Stay Awhiled most of the enemy team only for them all to be woken up by auto-attacks and just walk off. Or I blunder and get hit during the channel.
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Der Shovel posted:I'd be into this. Soralapio#2564 on Battle.net. Nice! Added you. Do you use Discord too? Might be easier to coordinate game times there.
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Relin posted:i know it's the inferior ult, but lorenado should really initialize ON cain instead of front of him a bit, because it makes it useless at actually getting people off of you it can initialise on cain if you target it that way
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ToastyPotato posted:I'm leaning into giving up on QM for this reason but I have a bunch of characters under level 5 and I would like to get that gold and have them available for HL should I dip my toes in, and with UD I am just not guaranteed to be able to play them. But considering that I haven't won a QM since the patch dropped last week, I dunno maybe I should just stop worrying about that. After each QM game, add the chill allies to your friends list and queue up. Randos who've proven themselves friendly at least once are a great improvement over rando randos. Annoying if you're close to the 200 friend limit, but if you're not then go hog wild.
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Relin posted:i know it's the inferior ult, but lorenado should really initialize ON cain instead of front of him a bit, because it makes it useless at actually getting people off of you Is it really the worst? I love using it in tight corridors placing it behind the enemy team pushing in to us, really good disruption. Stay awhile and listen gets me killed to the wind up and if not that it does gently caress all to the enemy team.
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Lorenado is hilarious on dragonshire because it basically takes up the whole bridge and you can really gently caress people over
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we did it team https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbkhrAgS9r8
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I always go Lorenado if I'm not sure about followup on Stay A While. Especially on maps with tight corridors and paths it's pretty fun. It's fun for both disengage and preventing escapes, depending on the situation.
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Tracer Recall not disjointing feels like it's really just pushed her into the dumpster. Recall a Triple Tap, just take it all at the end anyway.  E: Aware this may be old news, only trying her again for the first time in ages.
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Just blink behind your Kael'Thas and let him take it especially if he hasn't finished Convection
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BrianBoitano posted:we did it team why. the. gently caress. did. they. run. away. from. the. core.
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BrianBoitano posted:we did it team I have a friend who gets very very salty at losing, and especially losing because her teammates do something stupid, leaving the core when it's so low is a big thing that drives her crazy. I can't even imagine how angry she'd be if this happened to her. She'd probably just straight up quit the game for a while
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