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Darth Walrus posted:Might be thinking of Kantai Collection there, although IIRC, the odd Allied warship has started to show up on the good guys’ side. Nothing mentioned on Wikipedia. IIRC it was one drawn by the far right populist politician but I am not certain of the details. It's bugging me as well now...
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A quick Google Image search later and I'm impressed by the genius of combining pederast anime with conservative propaganda
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Kit Walker posted:I mean, Darling in the Franxx is about a dystopian future where a handful of people rule over absolutely everyone and society at large basically does nothing at all because they’re immortal and willingly isolating themselves. The protagonists are a bunch of teens who are taught next to nothing about sex or adulthood and are used to fight creatures that interfere with humanity harvesting a source of near-infinite energy that both sustains the remnants of humanity and has caused virtually the entire planet to die Darth Walrus posted:Might be thinking of Kantai Collection there, although IIRC, the odd Allied warship has started to show up on the good guys’ side. Terrible Opinions has a new favorite as of 11:06 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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Jul 16, 2018 10:59
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the premier dark enlightenment anime is Legend of Galactic Heroes, clearly
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:A quick Google Image search later and I'm impressed by the genius of combining pederast anime with conservative propaganda You could have just said anime.
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Relevant Tangent posted:You could have just said anime. There’s a small but growing market of woke anime. The new season of Gegege no Kitarō explains to primary school kids why people shouldn’t be judged for having corrective plastic surgery, why it’s OK to be bisexual, why it’s not OK to stalk people, and why diamond industry executives deserve to be mobbed to death by their slave-workers.
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Terrible Opinions posted:So like did it just skip right past you that the evil government aligned robot pilots were all queer coded and that the great rebellion against this dystopia was heterosexual marriage? At least one of the protagonists was gay and is also the one who figures out the cure for their accelerated aging and probably like 90% of the technology they use after they stop using the energy source that’s literally killing the planet And yeah the government-aligned pilots are queer coded but only align themselves with the government because of extensive brainwashing. Ultimately they side with the protagonists, and if anything the show implies that queer people somehow make the best pilots Like, this is what I meant when I was saying it’s really stupid to review shows through an ideological filter. I don’t think Darling in the Franxx has any really message to it other than “dystopia bad.” Everything else can be interpreted in contradictory ways. I think they just wanted to throw a whole bunch of stuff together that they thought sounded cool/edgy and that’s how we got the plot of the show Darth Walrus posted:There’s a small but growing market of woke anime. The new season of Gegege no Kitarō explains to primary school kids why people shouldn’t be judged for having corrective plastic surgery, why it’s OK to be bisexual, why it’s not OK to stalk people, and why diamond industry executives deserve to be mobbed to death by their slave-workers. Also that if you mistreat your workers you’ll get killed by ghosts and totally deserve it
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Maybe the characters looking directly at the screen and saying that reproduction is the purpose of gender, and being the thing that triggers the government goons to storm in and brainwash then is just you know a bit too subtle. It could mean anything. Next I'm sure you'll say that 300 is completely 100% not to be interpreted as nationalist or carrying fascist coding.
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Kit Walker posted:At least one of the protagonists was gay and is also the one who figures out the cure for their accelerated aging and probably like 90% of the technology they use after they stop using the energy source that’s literally killing the planet The queer-coded pilots are inferior copies of the main female lead who are treated as disposal both in-universe and out - after they get slaughtered defending the evil aliens (complete with some kind of uncomfortable rape imagery), the survivors sacrifice themselves for the main heterosexual couple when their unnatural lives start coming to an end. The one lesbian character is prematurely aged in another act of self-sacrifice, and while she is implied to end up with another woman, it’s in the same scene where she’s bedridden and apparently dying, in another apparent act of self-sacrifice (the cure she found for the accelerated aging came too late for her). The only queer-coded character who gets a completely, unambiguously happy ending is a guy with a crush on the male lead who gets over it and becomes part of one of the main heterosexual couples. You’re focusing way too much on what the show says rather than what it does.
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quote:In a post-apocalyptic future humanity is under constant threat from giant creatures known as klaxosaurs (叫竜 kyoryū) which are sub-divided into at least four categories based on their size: "Conrad"[b], "Mohorovičić"[c], "Gutenberg"[d], and "(Super) Lehmann" [e]. Pushed to the brink of annihilation, the mysterious organization known as APE has led the remnants of humanity to abandon the Earth's surface for the relative safety of mobile fortress-cities known as Plantations. To defend the Plantations, children called Parasites are raised to pilot giant mecha known as Franxx[f] (フランクス Furankusu) in boy-girl pairs. Hiro is a former pilot-candidate prodigy who can no longer synchronize with his partner and they both fail to complete the training program. While skipping his class's graduation ceremony, Hiro encounters Zero Two, an infamous Franxx pilot with klaxosaur blood and red horns. After Zero Two's partner dies during a klaxosaur attack, Hiro volunteers to become her new partner, or "darling." Is this just Pacific Rim?
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chitoryu12 posted:Is this just Pacific Rim? Mostly, it’s Evangelion/Gurren Lagann/Gunbuster fanfiction by a guy who got lucky enough to work with actual ex-Gainax staff members, but I’m not ruling out there being a tiny bit of Pacific Rim in there.
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Darth Walrus posted:Mostly, it’s Evangelion/Gurren Lagann/Gunbuster fanfiction by a guy who got lucky enough to work with actual ex-Gainax staff members, but I’m not ruling out there being a tiny bit of Pacific Rim in there. The plot synopsis and setting sound literally identical to Pacific Rim with added anime weirdness.
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chitoryu12 posted:The plot synopsis and setting sound literally identical to Pacific Rim with added anime weirdness. It’s shared ancestry. GDT was a big enough weeb to take inspiration from many of the same classic mecha shows this did. In particular, the paired pilots both stories have are from the Eighties anime Gunbuster, although DITF makes the relationship symbolism a lot more explicit.
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chitoryu12 posted:Is this just Pacific Rim? lol chitoryu12 posted:The plot synopsis and setting sound literally identical to Pacific Rim with added anime weirdness. lol
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Buddy have I got a big surprise for you about the origin of Pacific Rim
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ate all the Oreos posted:Buddy have I got a big surprise for you about the origin of Pacific Rim I know Pacific Rim is inspired by anime, but that's the exact plot of the movie 5 years later. The only difference is that it does the full blown anime thing where everything has a weird name for no reason and children do creepy adult poo poo. It's like if there was an anime about a squad of American soldiers in World War II trying to rescue the last remaining brother who was drafted after all his siblings die, but all of the protagonists are 16 and their unit is called the Glorious Cat and the guy they're searching for is named Balls. chitoryu12 has a new favorite as of 21:24 on Jul 16, 2018 |
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chitoryu12 posted:It's like if there was an anime about a squad of American soldiers in World War II trying to rescue the last remaining brother who was drafted after all his siblings die, but all of the protagonists are 16 and their unit is called the Glorious Cat and the guy they're searching for is named Balls. That sounds pretty good.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:faaaaaaaaaaaaaaart fart fart faaaaaaaaaart fart fart fart faaaaaaart BotL, I like your effortposts in TBB, even when they're criticizing books I like, but you really need to stop shitposting like this.
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ate all the Oreos posted:Also when you pilot the giant robots you do it by mounting a lady doggy style and using some handlebars attached to her back.
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Jul 16, 2018 22:46
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Pacific Rim did not in any way originate postapocalyptic giant robot action, or mecha piloted by two people who have to be emotionally compatible, or even the two at once. It's about as unoriginal a mecha plot as you can get. Which is not to say it's a bad movie, just that claiming that some anime's using its plot is like claiming a new pizzeria in Italy is copying off of Domino's.
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it's a pretty common plot thread, like the ten-thousand heist movies that are mostly the same but can be good individually
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If anyone doesn't know Del Toro wanted to make a live action Evangelion movie but talks fell through about the licensing so he changed the story just enough so he could still make it and bam, Pacific Rim.
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Can we have more stupid people pontificating with plastic skulls in the background and less anime derail? Barring that could someone dig up the name of the manga/anime done by the nutso nationalist. Apparently it isn't Terra Formars either.
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Munin posted:Barring that could someone dig up the name of the manga/anime done by the nutso nationalist. There's a lot of those. Most recently, the New Life+ anime got cancelled when the LN (WN?) author made racist comments online and people realized that the LN/WN was full of dogwhistles glorifying Japanese atrocities in WWII. Then there's Kazuyoshi Yaginuma, the director (but not the author of the source material) of Recovery of an MMO Junkie, who posted a bunch of anti-Semitic stuff on Twitter. Silver2195 has a new favorite as of 05:13 on Jul 17, 2018 |
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Silver2195 posted:There's a lot of those. Most recently, the New Life+ anime got cancelled when the LN (WN?) author made racist comments online and people realized that the LN/WN was full of dogwhistles glorifying Japanese atrocities in WWII. Specifically, the protagonist’s backstory had a lot of cutesy numerical references to the Rape of Nanking. Also, the director of MMO Junkie, a sweet and entirely inoffensive romcom that attracted considerable critical acclaim for the job he’d done adapting it, suffered an incredibly fast fall from grace when he turned out to be a straight-up Nazi. There’s also Gate, Highschool of the Dead, Yuki Yuna is a Hero, and probably a fair few others.
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Munin posted:Can we have more stupid people pontificating with plastic skulls in the background and less anime derail? There's a lot to choose from. For example, "Gate - Thus the JSDF Fought There!" is about the JSDF invading and colonizing a fantasy world with the help of magical anime girls.
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Munin posted:Can we have more stupid people pontificating with plastic skulls in the background and less anime derail? Trouble is, anime is on-topic for this thread. The answer to "wtf" in DE and Rationalism is always anime.
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Anime is blood.
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Wasn't Highschool of the Dead just about zombies? Or was there something more overtly Far Right about it? I know some people think zombie apocalypse fiction is inherently right wing because the government collapses and only the one guy who stocked up on machineguns survives thus "proving them all wrong" but wasn't Romero's stuff all anti-capitalism? divabot posted:Trouble is, anime is on-topic for this thread. The answer to "wtf" in DE and Rationalism is always anime. I had no idea anime was inspiredby Descartes and Spinoza. Anime seemed pretty hardcore Existentialist considering it's practicallya cliche to havean anime villain who wants to make a collectivist utopia or eradicate individuality to create happiness and peace or whatnot.
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NikkolasKing posted:Wasn't Highschool of the Dead just about zombies? Or was there something more overtly Far Right about it? The parents of one of the main characters in HSOTD were heroic far-right nationalists (directly compared to snivelling, cowardly lefties in the chapters they showed up in), and several prominent Korean celebrities had unflattering cameos. And remember that anime is a medium, not a genre. It’s literally just ‘all animated stories from Japan’. Assigning a single philosophy to all of it is extremely dumb and faintly racist.
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That's true but in general when you say anime it's referring to cartoons made by a fairly small number of publishers rotating through development teams that they run out of business by forcing unsustainable production requirements on. Same way when people make generalities about video games they aren't talking about the full breath of electronic games as a medium but rather AAA games made by a collection of six or so publishers who make the games that account for 90% of all sales.
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Darth Walrus posted:The parents of one of the main characters in HSOTD were heroic far-right nationalists (directly compared to snivelling, cowardly lefties in the chapters they showed up in), and several prominent Korean celebrities had unflattering cameos. Interesting, thank you. quote:And remember that anime is a medium, not a genre. It’s literally just ‘all animated stories from Japan’. Assigning a single philosophy to all of it is extremely dumb and faintly racist. I completely agree. I was just trying to poke fun at the last few posts in here who I hope were just playing around themselves. "Anime" is usually a bland general impression of "pretty boys" and "soft core little girl porn" and, I guess, nationalism has been added to the stereotype. But, well,, everybody knows Berserk. My generation grew up with stuff like Cowboy Bebop or Trigun. Everyone should be fully aware that "Anime" is a meaningless stereotype. NikkolasKing has a new favorite as of 11:10 on Jul 17, 2018 |
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NikkolasKing posted:I had no idea anime was inspiredby Descartes and Spinoza. Anime seemed pretty hardcore Existentialist considering it's practicallya cliche to havean anime villain who wants to make a collectivist utopia or eradicate individuality to create happiness and peace or whatnot.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:No, the other rationalism. The one with Dragon Army. oh wow, he's preserving his genius! curiously minus the comments, what a pity
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NikkolasKing posted:Wasn't Highschool of the Dead just about zombies? Or was there something more overtly Far Right about it? The original Night of the Living Dead wasn't really metaphorical for anything; Romero just wanted to make a horror movie inspired by I Am Legend without totally ripping it off by using vampires. A lot of people took the scene with Ben being killed by zombie hunters at the end as a commentary on racism, but Ben was originally cast as a white truck driver and ended up with a black actor based on the strength of his audition. People have said Dawn of the Dead was an anti-capitalism thing, but I can't find any source of Romero directly saying that. The closest thing I can find to an inspiration for the film is Romero visiting the mall and having the manager joke that you could survive an emergency locked in there, which is the best thing to say to a zombie movie director. All of the sources claiming that Dawn of the Dead was anti-capitalist and that the zombies were a metaphor that I can find are news articles and essays saying it obviously is.
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Zombie Roland Barthes is going to eat your face, dude
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chitoryu12 posted:The original Night of the Living Dead wasn't really metaphorical for anything; Romero just wanted to make a horror movie inspired by I Am Legend without totally ripping it off by using vampires. A lot of people took the scene with Ben being killed by zombie hunters at the end as a commentary on racism, but Ben was originally cast as a white truck driver and ended up with a black actor based on the strength of his audition. The explanation I've heard of Dawn of the Dead was that the work itself is full of well-done political statements and is anti-capitalism and stuff but that Romero made it that way entirely by accident and once everyone was like "wow this is really good you should do this again" he actually tried to do it in the sequels and it was laughably bad and everyone realized he's actually really bad at it and it was just a bizarre fluke.
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