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How did they like that new Thundercats from a while ago? I guess that was before their awakening to the degeneration of the west or whatever via gamergate though.
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ToastyPotato posted:Really puts the popularity of anime amongst that demographic and waifu culture into perspective. I wish they would just admit they're porn addicts instead of trying to justify pornifying kids cartoons and sexualizing children's media.
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HIJK posted:I wish they would just admit they're porn addicts instead of trying to justify pornifying kids cartoons and sexualizing children's media. Its called pedophilia
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business hammocks posted:How did they like that new Thundercats from a while ago? I guess that was before their awakening to the degeneration of the west or whatever via gamergate though. They insist it was hosed over by the network, but I mean, that is neither here nor there because plenty of shows have been resurrected due to popular demand. HIJK posted:I wish they would just admit they're porn addicts instead of trying to justify pornifying kids cartoons and sexualizing children's media. It doesn't help that the majority of the anime industry has been happy to oblige for the past 30+ years.
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business hammocks posted:Don't the incel chuds use He-Man (and only He-Man, and even he isn't an example of it) as an example of unrealistic standards of beauty for men? I would imagine that until this moment, they considered She-Ra just another betrayal of helpless men by the brutal gynocracy. The thing about these examples is that these people, instead of doing a minimum to acknowledge that someone other than them might have issues, just pull an inaccurate example out of their asses to say "See, men suffer too!", without realizing that it is also at the hand of other men. Often it is something about the mandatory draft in World Wars or sexual abuse in prisons, but also more ridiculous things like buff cartoon dudes.
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The other thing is that male heroes arent drawn to be super massive roid fiends as an attempt to sexualize them for women, its male power fantasy Like, look at the way say kris anka draws peter quill in the recent starlord series, which is clearly beefcake, and contrast that to basically anything else
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Samuringa posted:The thing about these examples is that these people, instead of doing a minimum to acknowledge that someone other than them might have issues, just pull an inaccurate example out of their asses to say "See, men suffer too!", without realizing that it is also at the hand of other men. Often it is something about the mandatory draft in World Wars or sexual abuse in prisons, but also more ridiculous things like buff cartoon dudes. Back when I used to go to Imgur daily, there was a period where you couldn't go more than a few days without the image explaining that 40% of sexual assault victims were male wouldn't make it to the front page. It was constantly used to spark the discussion that men are victims too but you never hear about it! Nevermind the fact that it doesn't change that 60% of victims are women, and that nearly 2/3rds of perpetrators are male, of course. But what about MEN?! There was another one too that was about how people don't take the sexual assault of men seriously, and I'm like, yeah absolutely, but this doesn't mean what you think it means. It isn't anti-feminist you dense fucks. site posted:The other thing is that male heroes arent drawn to be super massive roid fiends as an attempt to sexualize them for women, its male power fantasy Yep. Male superheroes looking how they have is the result of the way other men drew them. It is a distinctly male fantasy. I think it is loving hilarious that you have a bunch of dudes, looking at pictures of super buff dudes, drawn and designed by dudes, and going "YOU SEE, WE GET OBJECTIFIED TOO!" All without considering how women even feel about those drawings to begin with. ToastyPotato fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jul 17, 2018 |
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I still like the Spiderman cartoon. Brock is just the worst, though. *Stares at a picture of Peter, his dead uncle and lack of parents.* "Why do you have everything?! It's so unfair!  "
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Jul 17, 2018 21:00
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The 80s and early 90s were weirdly obsessed with the human form, as well as being the period where the separation of the genders was being ratcheted up. Women were all being pushed down the line of looking like Barbie supermodels, narrow waists, busty, big hair, and all that, which there have been many thinkpieces, studies, and campaigns to come back from that. There's still a lot of issues with women in TV and movies all trying to go towards the one, ideal body type. Depictions of men went down an entirely different path, with depictions starting to get more into the muscle-y bodybuilding physiques. Bodybuilders became movie stars, and it somehow became a thing for movie superheroes to even wear ridiculous fake muscle plates in their costumes in an attempt to duplicate comics' unrealistic outfits that conform to every crevice. The He-Man action figures were particularly bad, they were just solid bricks of steroids only vaguely resembling a humanoid form. The main difference is, through all of that, there were still dumpy guys, fat guys, and old guys all over the place, sometimes even being the lead character who gets with one of those barbie girls. There's still some unrealistic standards floating around (apparently extreme dehydration is still a thing they do for some action movies), but they're not nearly as all-encompassing. And modern cartoons are moving away from both stereotypes, which has its own ups and downs, but I like it better for the most part. If the 80s are comparable to all those greco-roman naked statues, then right now we're in the period of all those medieval knights fighting snails, which are much better.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The 80s and early 90s were weirdly obsessed with the human form, as well as being the period where the separation of the genders was being ratcheted up. Women were all being pushed down the line of looking like Barbie supermodels, narrow waists, busty, big hair, and all that, which there have been many thinkpieces, studies, and campaigns to come back from that. There's still a lot of issues with women in TV and movies all trying to go towards the one, ideal body type. There’s a series on netflix about famous toy franchises called The Toys That Made Us, and the one about He-Man features the executive who made He-Man explaining that they hired a child psychologist to learn what boys wanted to play with, and the result was that they wanted to identify with someone powerful who could do anything, as kids basically can’t do anything. So 80s boys identified with and were excited to see themselves as huge muscle guys. Aspiration or realistic expectations weren’t part of it because the focus was on what He-Man could do rather than what he looked like: he looked like that to signify how much agency he had. Girl toys haven’t really followed pattern with imaginative play. She-Ra was an attempt to duplicate that formula with plagiarized Barbie dolls, and seems to have had mixed results, as I’ve never known a woman who cared about She-Ra as a kid (though I’ve known a few who liked He-Man).
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There is the whole notion of X but for girls which comes loaded with its own baked in kind of inferiority since the girl version usually comes after a massively successful thing aimed at boys. Like, of course She-Ra wasn't going to be as popular in that climate, you are kind of saying He-Man is for boys and She-Ra is for girls, so why would boys care and why would girls want this thing that seems kind of like a knock off? I do hope the new series finds a legit audience, especially among girls. It seems to have its head in the right place. Unrelated, I watched some random videos about Pac-Man and one of the biggest things attributed to its success was that its producer specifically wanted a game that anyone, not just boys/men could enjoy. The video noted that Pac-Man was massively popular with women and girls, compared other arcade hits. Which I guess makes the claim that Ms. Pac-Man was needed to draw in women a bit more dubious.
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ToastyPotato posted:There is the whole notion of X but for girls which comes loaded with its own baked in kind of inferiority since the girl version usually comes after a massively successful thing aimed at boys. Like, of course She-Ra wasn't going to be as popular in that climate, you are kind of saying He-Man is for boys and She-Ra is for girls, so why would boys care and why would girls want this thing that seems kind of like a knock off? I do hope the new series finds a legit audience, especially among girls. It seems to have its head in the right place. Ms. Pacman had a better map.
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Hey now, I never said it wasn't a good game. But I have seen the claim that Ms. Pac-Man was intended to specifically target female players which is weird if you consider the success of the original Pac-Man. Also I don't think Ms. Pac-Man ended up being as successful anyway, which is a shame.
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ToastyPotato posted:Hey now, I never said it wasn't a good game. But I have seen the claim that Ms. Pac-Man was intended to specifically target female players which is weird if you consider the success of the original Pac-Man. Also I don't think Ms. Pac-Man ended up being as successful anyway, which is a shame. For whatever reason I feel like I see more cabinets of Ms. Pac-Man today in bars or whatever, although it might be because they don't make more cabinets for either and the original Pac-Man ones were popular enough that they usually have way more wear and tear.
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Skwirl posted:For whatever reason I feel like I see more cabinets of Ms. Pac-Man today in bars or whatever, although it might be because they don't make more cabinets for either and the original Pac-Man ones were popular enough that they usually have way more wear and tear. Didn't they run on the same hardware? I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Pac Man cabs were converted to Ms Pac-Man to save money.
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Ms. Pac-Man is the superior game, but I feel like the pretty sleazy cabinet art with a coquettish pac-female dangling her legs over the edge in plastered-on makeup and high heels can only be an attempt to appeal to men, as my general sense is that women are made uncomfortable by the male gaze being applied to ostensibly nonsexual things (in addition to, you know, them and all the women in their lives).
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Skwirl posted:For whatever reason I feel like I see more cabinets of Ms. Pac-Man today in bars or whatever, although it might be because they don't make more cabinets for either and the original Pac-Man ones were popular enough that they usually have way more wear and tear. The Ms Pac-Man/Galaga cabinet is probably the most popular arcade machine of the 21st century. You can find them everywhere. Put your quarters in and press Up up up, down down down, left, right, left, right, left, and it'll let you play regular Pac-Man instead. I always heard Ms Pac-Man was made because Pac-Man was so popular with women they wanted to double down.
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Open Marriage Night posted:The Ms Pac-Man/Galaga cabinet is probably the most popular arcade machine of the 21st century. You can find them everywhere. Put your quarters in and press Up up up, down down down, left, right, left, right, left, and it'll let you play regular Pac-Man instead. Story I heard was Ms. Pacman was made because they wanted a sequel to Pacman and they found out someone had already done the majority of the work on an unlicensed clone which was a major issue in those days, so they took the majority of the work from that cuz what's the worst the original designers could do? Edit: Mike's got a better answer than I do. good day for a bris fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Jul 18, 2018 |
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Open Marriage Night posted:The Ms Pac-Man/Galaga cabinet is probably the most popular arcade machine of the 21st century. You can find them everywhere. Put your quarters in and press Up up up, down down down, left, right, left, right, left, and it'll let you play regular Pac-Man instead. good day for a bris posted:Story I heard was Ms. Pacman was made because they wanted a sequel to Pacman and they found out someone had already done the majority of the work on an unlicensed clone which was a major issue in those days, so they took the majority of the work from that cuz what's the worst the original designers could do?
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SlothfulCobra posted:The 80s and early 90s were weirdly obsessed with the human form, as well as being the period where the separation of the genders was being ratcheted up. Women were all being pushed down the line of looking like Barbie supermodels, narrow waists, busty, big hair, and all that, which there have been many thinkpieces, studies, and campaigns to come back from that. There's still a lot of issues with women in TV and movies all trying to go towards the one, ideal body type. How dare you call He-Man toys bad business hammocks posted:There’s a series on netflix about famous toy franchises called The Toys That Made Us, and the one about He-Man features the executive who made He-Man explaining that they hired a child psychologist to learn what boys wanted to play with, and the result was that they wanted to identify with someone powerful who could do anything, as kids basically can’t do anything. So 80s boys identified with and were excited to see themselves as huge muscle guys. Aspiration or realistic expectations weren’t part of it because the focus was on what He-Man could do rather than what he looked like: he looked like that to signify how much agency he had. Reminds me that I need to watch some more of that series, as well as that new Captain Underpants cartoon
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cant cook creole bream posted:I still like the Spiderman cartoon. I kinda loved that. A more classic look at Eddie Brock, but as a man who loving hates Peter rather than Spider-man, over insane and selfish reasons.  "I will stop you, no matter what it takes, decade younger child that's a quarter of my size."Anyway, Avengers Assemble Season 5 Or: How To Revamp A Show Almost Entirely And Look Sorta Nice http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/07/17/marvels-avengers-black-panthers-quest-is-avengers-assemble-season-5
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business hammocks posted:There’s a series on netflix about famous toy franchises called The Toys That Made Us, and the one about He-Man features the executive who made He-Man explaining that they hired a child psychologist to learn what boys wanted to play with, and the result was that they wanted to identify with someone powerful who could do anything, as kids basically can’t do anything. So 80s boys identified with and were excited to see themselves as huge muscle guys. Aspiration or realistic expectations weren’t part of it because the focus was on what He-Man could do rather than what he looked like: he looked like that to signify how much agency he had. That episode was priceless for the interviews with the guy who made He-Man so beefy. He was completely obsessed with muscle mass and was so sublimely satisfied with creating an action figure that was jacked to the point of grotesquery.
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Vulpes Vulpes posted:That episode was priceless for the interviews with the guy who made He-Man so beefy. He was completely obsessed with muscle mass and was so sublimely satisfied with creating an action figure that was jacked to the point of grotesquery. I can’t get over the former Mattel executive who has what is clearly a statue of herself as a chair in the background of all her interview segments.
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business hammocks posted:I can’t get over the former Mattel executive who has what is clearly a statue of herself as a chair in the background of all her interview segments. ... as a *chair?* I can't even picture that.
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ImpAtom posted:... as a *chair?* I can't even picture that. 
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business hammocks posted:I can’t get over the former Mattel executive who has what is clearly a statue of herself as a chair in the background of all her interview segments. It's extremely upsetting. I only watched the He-Man and GI Joe eps, and it wasn't explained in either of them.
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Jeez its like you guys have never seen the molted skin of a woman before. Some women shed their skin, and its perfectly natural.
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Vulpes Vulpes posted:That episode was priceless for the interviews with the guy who made He-Man so beefy. He was completely obsessed with muscle mass and was so sublimely satisfied with creating an action figure that was jacked to the point of grotesquery. So, this guy https://twitter.com/JoeJoeFine/status/989768923842203658
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business hammocks posted:As you can see, people putting their fetishes into cartoons has a long history, ergo She-Ra should have breasts with physics accuracy appropriate for twenty-first century rendering technology.    
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80s cartoons and toys were put together on garbage budgets by people who barely had a clue what they were doing, but they wound up being ridiculously influential from being the first big time that marketing to children, the least knowledgeable consumers on the planet, could be a whole multimedia experience. And then people who were very literally heavily invested into the franchise at a young age had it become important enough of a formative experience that it's in the core of their being and they'll both be outraged and willing to buy and boost the ratings at the same time. The franchises now face horrible monsters of their own making. drrockso20 posted:How dare you call He-Man toys bad I'll never apologize for being right.
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Just saw Batman Ninja. That thing is cringy, the animation is choppy, the story is a mess, and everything just felt rushed and jammed in. I kinda liked how they did the Joker though, up until the last sword fight.
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