|
People (regular users) shouldn't have to computer janitor at all, much less after-hours. My wife finally got a laptop at work and went to use it for he first time and it spent half the morning doing Windows updates. She was pissed 
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2018 13:28
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 20:27 |
|
|
Getting a new laptop sucks because it usually won't have 1803 installed yet, so you have to wait forever for it to update the first time you reboot. I avoid that and always make sure users get a fully updated laptop into their hands on their first day and explain to them how updates work and that big updates can take a long time so they should leave their poo poo on so it updates at 4am, but after that it's out of my hands. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2018 14:21
|
|
|
etalian posted:It's pretty much across the board issue for multiple vendors. It does seem like cramming an i9 into a 15-inch thin and light chassis is asking for trouble. I assume it throttles everywhere, but is it as bad in the XPS 15 as it is in the new MBP 15? Like to the point that you might as well get the i7 instead? I did get the i7 in my XPS 15 anyway but even if the i9 performed the way it's intended to in such a small machine I still wouldn't need it at all for what I use the laptop for.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2018 15:24
|
|
|
Harrow posted:It does seem like cramming an i9 into a 15-inch thin and light chassis is asking for trouble. I assume it throttles everywhere, but is it as bad in the XPS 15 as it is in the new MBP 15? Like to the point that you might as well get the i7 instead? Well it is interesting since the i9 has the same 45W nominal TDP as the older i7 design but tests show the new Macbook Pro struggles even to maintain the normal clock speed under load. Thermal design looks pretty bad given how even the nominal TDP makes it start throttle which means it can't even do the up-step higher TDP for the 4.8GHz turbo-burst scenario.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2018 16:48
|
|
|
I'm looking at the new Dell XPS 15 9570 at around the $1500 price point. It looks like its about a three to four weeks wait from Dell- are there any retailers that stock them or systems that are comparable? I like the discrete graphics, low key design, usb-c charging and port selection.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2018 21:09
|
|
|
DrDork posted:In their semi-defense, some people have a ton of random stuff open, and get cranky when a forced-restart closes all of that (which they may or may not have saved, and which may or may not have been savable in the first place). Yeah I have about 6 source code editor Windows and at least that many terminal windows open and a bunch of chrome Windows with multiple tabs each as part of my workflow, Mac OS is pretty good about restoring things but it's never exactly right, plus i have concerns about saving/not saving the right/wrong file on a project I'm working on. ITerm is pretty good at recovering but you still have to VPN in and re-establish connections etc etc Also, only maybe 25% of the time do I open my work laptop while at home after work.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2018 21:09
|
|
|
What are good reasons not to get surface book 2? I really want the option of doing anything, including medium gaming (meaning running something like overwatch on above-minimum settings) in a 2-in-1, and it seems to be the best option other than price.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2018 22:51
|
|
|
an skeleton posted:What are good reasons not to get surface book 2? Thermal throttling Case is glued shut making it near impossible to repair Otherwise it's a great disposable laptop if you're in to buying new hardware every 18 months
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2018 23:04
|
|
|
I used a surface pro 3 since Oct 2014 for work, every day until Jan this year, when I droped it and broke the screen finally. I basically use it as a electronic clipboard and just draw on PDF's while I inspect houses. The rest of the time it's just a normal laptop for typing reports and such. Since Jan I've used the replacement surface pro 4 daily. They work fine. The glued together thing is something you have to be fine with I guess. It did make the "screen replacement" much more expensive I'm sure. (they charged me $599 and opened a refurb surface pro 4 box and gave me just the machine with no other peripherals) I've also replaced a touch cover once, and bought a new pen once since 2014.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2018 23:34
|
|
|
an skeleton posted:What are good reasons not to get surface book 2? Well the price is probably the biggest downside, slightly bigger weigh/footprint due to traditional bezel design and as others have pointed out it's close to impossible to take apart for repairs/upgrades(1/10 Ifixit score lol). Still one of the better premium 2-1 options if you can afford the price tag or find a good refurb special. For gaming the 15" model has a much more powerful dedicated GPU while the 13.5" has lower performance.
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2018 23:34
|
|
|
dissss posted:I'm curious as to what you expect to tell about the quality of a trackpad by looking at it. It’s not like anyone can head down to a brick & mortar hp or dell store to try one of these out either, so that’s why i’m asking the internet first. If they’re significantly worse than a modern trackpad, like the one you’ve got, then it’s time for plan b.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 00:21
|
|
|
krysmopompas posted:They just look like throwbacks to an era where trackpads were really awful, with really tiny touch surfaces and actual buttons. Some configs look like they stuck a fingerprint reader in the corner of the pad, which sounds incredibly annoying too. The newish Macbook air has a trackpad almost the size of the keyboard, and it's horrible. Not that there aren't awful trackpads with buttons too, but an awful trackpad with buttons is better than an awful trackpad without buttons, because at least the buttons will work right.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 01:58
|
|
|
krysmopompas posted:They just look like throwbacks to an era where trackpads were really awful, with really tiny touch surfaces and actual buttons. Some configs look like they stuck a fingerprint reader in the corner of the pad, which sounds incredibly annoying too. Actual buttons are a good thing though - these systems are huge anyway so there is a good amount of palmrest space left for the trackpad surface even with proper buttons This is the ZBook 15: 
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 02:00
|
|
|
etalian posted:Well the price is probably the biggest downside, slightly bigger weigh/footprint due to traditional bezel design and as others have pointed out it's close to impossible to take apart for repairs/upgrades(1/10 Ifixit score lol). drat I just noticed that GPU difference between the 13.5" and 15". I would've loved the smaller one but I guess I can pull the trigger on the bigger one if I have to. But for a 512 gb comes out to about $2600 Hadlock posted:Thermal throttling Why do you think I would have to replace it in 18 months I said it before and I'll say it again -- I wish I could get a thinkpad 2-in-1 of some sort with a slightly better GPU (doesn't even have to be as good as the 1060, just better than an integrated)
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 02:01
|
|
|
an skeleton posted:
That's certainly been my experience with Surface models - they're beautiful but very fragile and Microsoft has never figured out a way to make a battery last properly.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 02:24
|
|
|
dissss posted:That's certainly been my experience with Surface models - they're beautiful but very fragile and Microsoft has never figured out a way to make a battery last properly. That sucks. I also looked it up and seems throttling during gaming is pretty bad, which means there's not much point in getting it over a less beefy gpu'd thinkpad yoga or something.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 02:42
|
|
|
roomforthetuna posted:Funny, I think trackpads are really awful now, with giant touch surfaces and no buttons. I'm still keeping my ancient 2013 Macbook Air since the glass trackpad is still one of the best out there and it's much more compact for the occasional travel.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 02:44
|
|
|
I’m primarily a mac person, so anything that diverges too far from that is nearly unusable for me. If apple actually made a workstation-class anything these days, i’d just be sticking with them. I have no idea how i missed the fact that even the zbooks have a stick too...ugh.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 02:59
|
|
|
krysmopompas posted:I have no idea how i missed the fact that even the zbooks have a stick too...ugh. Of course they do, why on earth would they get rid of that selling point? I know we wouldn't consider deploying anything that didn't have both pointing options (well at least not in the traditional laptop for factor) Really it sounds like the best you're going to do is the Precision version of the XPS15 - it's in a more consumer orientated chassis which you will probably like if you like Apple gear. Probably going to run into similar throttling issues there though. I'm not sure I really get your first complaint either - the current Apple gear is just as 'workstation class' as anything from previous generations.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 03:36
|
|
|
an skeleton posted:Why do you think I would have to replace it in 18 months It's not uncommon for laptops to need service within 18 months. The point is that you need to be aware that any Surface product will not be repairable by anyone. Not Microsoft for sure, and nearly no other repair shops will do it either. Your only option is a whole unit swap for a refurb, either for free if you're in warranty, or some significant portion of the cost of the laptop otherwise. Now, to me, that's just mind-boggling. Tip of your headphone plug come off in the jack and get stuck? Whole unit swap. Some stray bit of metal floating around in your bag messed up the power port? Whole unit swap. Battery wear out? Whole unit swap. Fans dirty? Guess what! If you can live with it, great. I have one of those atom Surface 3 things. It's handy, like an iPad that can actually do things. I paid like $250 for it a few years ago and it's trooping along. For that price point, I think it's somewhat reasonable (if lovely) to expect it not to be repairable. For a $3000 Surface Book 2 that you use every day as a workstation, you have to be loving insane. Anyway, Lenovo doesn't make the machine you (and I) want. You should consider the 15" spectre x360 or the new XPS 15 2 in 1 with that spooky vega intel hybrid thing. Or, Samsung is still selling the Notebook 9 Pro, the 15" 2 in 1 version with the pen. It's a kaby lake U series, so the cpu isn't the greatest but it's got a cut-down RX460 in there that actually gives it a good amount of oomph, a little better than an MX150. The pen is fantastic as well, being Wacom EMR. I had one for a while and loved literally everything about it except the pixel density. I just can't live with 1080p at 15", but if you're cool with that you should check it out.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 03:38
|
|
|
dissss posted:I'm not sure I really get your first complaint either - the current Apple gear is just as 'workstation class' as anything from previous generations.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 04:08
|
|
|
krysmopompas posted:Did history forget the 17” pro already? You mean the one that had exactly the same guts as a 15" model of the same period? If that was 'workstation class' then the new ones are too.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 05:38
|
|
|
If you really want a Surface try a Dell Latitude 5285.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 06:06
|
|
|
dissss posted:You mean the one that had exactly the same guts as a 15" model of the same period? If that was 'workstation class' then the new ones are too. The razer pro is probably as good as I’ve seen for just the display & interface in that size, is there anything else worth checking out? I was hoping to get everything in one box, but rdp-ing to some sff box I lug around would work for the task at hand. It’s just more of a pain. krysmopompas fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Jul 21, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 06:18
|
|
|
krysmopompas posted:I am not interested in anything smaller than 17”. Why?
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 07:05
|
|
|
Nobody ships anything bigger. I’d take a 34” ultrawide if anyone made one, I have to look at a lot of data and code simultaneously alongside a running application and there’s no such thing as enough screen.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 07:18
|
|
|
Truga posted:For me? No. For them? Evidently, yes, since they've been having this issue explained to them for the last 9 years I've worked here and they still haven't figured it out. My point is that the problem is far greater than a blinking activity light will solve; you have users wasting work hours waiting for updates to complete and then apparently having the urge to reset the drat thing mid-update, which has the potential to cause even more issues and waste further time. This is one of those competency things that should be a requirement of employment. You're not going to employ someone who's, say, illiterate? Or constantly tardy? Or is stealing/embezzling from the company? Or who can't let their PC run overnight to update? The last one is literally the easiest one to do, too. DrDork posted:You clearly have never worked with corporate users. In the same vein, you'd think you'd be able to "train" them not to click on the "you've just won!" malware links--something painfully obvious and no more difficult than "leave your laptop on so it can update." You would be wrong. Oh I've worked with plenty of...naive users over the years; we have an ongoing battle to teach people not to click on phishing links, and there are fake phishing e-mails sent out to catch people and warn them. The thing is, leaving your computer on is not nearly as difficult as not getting fooled online; there's really no comparison there. Also, while some employees certainly do have work laptops that they can bring home, most of the PCs are at our offices/hospitals and have their updates scheduled overnight, with specific instructions to leave them running. This is exactly what I'm advocating. Bob Morales posted:People (regular users) shouldn't have to computer janitor at all, much less after-hours. Leaving your PC on overnight to update isn't even janitoring though; it does pretty much everything except the after-update sign-on for you, and you can even configure it to do that if you want.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 07:38
|
|
|
krysmopompas posted:Nobody ships anything bigger. I’d take a 34” ultrawide if anyone made one, I have to look at a lot of data and code simultaneously alongside a running application and there’s no such thing as enough screen. Go away Asus...? Makes a 15" 1080p USB-C external display, you could plug two of those in to your MacBook and get 3x 15"... I guess I run a 13" MBP with one 27" 1440p and that works great for me
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 07:42
|
|
|
Atomizer posted:This is one of those competency things that should be a requirement of employment. You're not going to employ someone who's, say, illiterate? Or constantly tardy? Or is stealing/embezzling from the company? Or who can't let their PC run overnight to update? The last one is literally the easiest one to do, too.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 16:32
|
|
|
Have you considered the Acer Predator 21x? It has a 21” screen, 64GB of RAM, 2TB of storage and two GTX1080s running in SLI so it should be large enough and powerful enough. It does cost $9000 and weigh 8.5kg but hey, we all make sacrifices right 
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 16:47
|
|
|
My five-year old Vaio looks like it's finally poo poo the bed - the screen becomes faded and corrupted after about fifteen minutes use, probably an issue with the panel or the GPU. What's a better model of bare-bones laptop these days? I only need Internet and a word processor. Good-quality panel would be nice too, the Vaio spoiled me. Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jul 21, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 17:10
|
|
|
krysmopompas posted:It’s not like anyone can head down to a brick & mortar hp or dell store to try one of these out either, so that’s why i’m asking the internet first. If they’re significantly worse than a modern trackpad, like the one you’ve got, then it’s time for plan b. depending on models, microsoft store could have your back tbh
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 17:32
|
|
|
Oxxidation posted:My five-year old Vaio looks like it's finally poo poo the bed - the screen becomes faded and corrupted after about fifteen minutes use, probably an issue with the panel or the GPU. You should consider a Chromebook. We have a thread for those.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 17:45
|
|
|
roomforthetuna posted:Surely not stealing/embezzling is easier than letting a PC run overnight. Nah, the "just don't shut off your PC" is pretty much the easiest thing to do; it requires literally no action (by definition.) A lot of people by contrast probably "steal" a little bit here or there, by doing things like taking office supplies (not a huge deal, but still) or milking the clock or taking too many smoke breaks or wasting time at work; the latter is exactly what Truga's users are doing. TITTIEKISSER69 posted:You should consider a Chromebook. We have a thread for those. Good call, My Goone Sire! 
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 19:40
|
|
|
Atomizer posted:Nah, the "just don't shut off your PC" is pretty much the easiest thing to do; it requires literally no action (by definition.) A lot of people by contrast probably "steal" a little bit here or there, by doing things like taking office supplies (not a huge deal, but still) or milking the clock or taking too many smoke breaks or wasting time at work; the latter is exactly what Truga's users are doing. Whereas leaving your laptop PC (that you took home) on overnight most likely requires plugging it in (an action!) and uses your electricity that you have to pay for.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 19:45
|
|
|
Oxxidation posted:My five-year old Vaio looks like it's finally poo poo the bed - the screen becomes faded and corrupted after about fifteen minutes use, probably an issue with the panel or the GPU. Depends on your budget but there are some good refurb deals online for dell latitudes since dell is constantly refreshing product line. Latitude is basically the no frill business line. What sort of budget do you have for your laptop replacement?
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 19:49
|
|
|
roomforthetuna posted:lol at calling smoke breaks "stealing/embezzling" so as to avoid the obvious fact that not stealing/embezzling is the thing that is really literally no action. I really don't want to belabor this subject but I'll clarify a couple things. This will also be laptop-related and relative to the thread, of course. First, it is entirely possible to steal from your employer by claiming you're working when you're really not, on excessive breaks or otherwise; don't take my word for it, however, ask your HR department!  Second, presumably if you're taking your laptop home you're going to be using it and thus it already would be plugged in, plus your off-peak electricity costs are going to be negligible. We can do the math if you'd like! There is honestly no reason to postpone your software updates for the middle of the workday. All of this discussion is totally avoidable.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 20:01
|
|
|
Atomizer posted:Second, presumably if you're taking your laptop home you're going to be using it and thus it already would be plugged in, quote:plus your off-peak electricity costs are going to be negligible. We can do the math if you'd like! quote:There is honestly no reason to postpone your software updates for the middle of the workday. All of this discussion is totally avoidable. Edit: it's actually the thing in that list where failing to do it has the fewest consequences for the person. Low cost, lower reward. roomforthetuna fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Jul 21, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 20:20
|
|
|
Ok my XPS 15 9570 finally shipped Does anyone who currently owns a 9570 also own a VR headset? I'm curious if I could get away with one of the $399 Occulus Rift with games set on low Thinking: Beat Saber, Tilt Brush, Budget Cuts, Climbey, Job Simulator, Out of Ammo...lower end games
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 20:20
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 20:27 |
|
|
Laptops are annoying because it's not like a network of desktops that you can run updates on and such at night. "Can you bring your laptop in so we can get some stuff done on it?" I'M SO BUSY BLAH BLAH BLAH
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2018 20:52
|
|