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Arist posted:I don't even like TDK that much but the boat scene is a representation of the fact that the Joker's war to destroy the soul of Gotham has failed. Does it? I remember most citizens just cowering away after Bane thunderdomes the whole city, and it's mostly his goons and escaped convicts that actually mess anything up. Honestly the weirdest thing about the Nolan trilogy is that the villains are all absolutely hell-bent on proving how the city and all its citizens are corrupt to the core, even though they get absolutely and totally proven wrong every single time since the only people who actually suck are rich a-holes or supercriminals.
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Here, is Marvel more important for Disney than Star Wars now? Like, if they were told, "You can only have one," and had to choose, they'd go for Marvel, wouldn't they?
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Jul 23, 2018 22:04
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Bautista mad https://twitter.com/DaveBautista/status/1021123102082707456?s=19
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Jul 23, 2018 22:05
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Wheat Loaf posted:Here, is Marvel more important for Disney than Star Wars now? Like, if they were told, "You can only have one," and had to choose, they'd go for Marvel, wouldn't they? After Solo? prolly.
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Jul 23, 2018 22:07
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Wheat Loaf posted:Here, is Marvel more important for Disney than Star Wars now? Like, if they were told, "You can only have one," and had to choose, they'd go for Marvel, wouldn't they? Hard to say. Previously Star Wars was more reliable but Solo blew that.
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Jul 23, 2018 22:07
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Wheat Loaf posted:Here, is Marvel more important for Disney than Star Wars now? Like, if they were told, "You can only have one," and had to choose, they'd go for Marvel, wouldn't they?
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Jul 23, 2018 22:08
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I mean, it's not really open to question that Infinity War 2 is the one people are looking forward to (and will probably do a lot better at the box office, which is obviously what Disney is most interested in) next year far more than Star Wars 9.
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Jul 23, 2018 22:10
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Arist posted:Cynicism is the only valid ideology for a movie to express, got it Yeah what's with all this superhero poo poo anyway? If someone really had powers they wouldn't be putting themselves into danger!
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Jul 23, 2018 22:20
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Endless Mike posted:Oh for sure. Star Wars kinda has to stay in its lane, while I feel like Marvel can be a lot broader. Its kinda ridiculous that you could basically do any type of movie you wanted, just set in the sw universe, but theyre dead set on doing squeezing blood from the stone that is the ot
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Jul 23, 2018 22:32
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site posted:Its kinda ridiculous that you could basically do any type of movie you wanted, just set in the sw universe, but theyre dead set on doing squeezing blood from the stone that is the ot The SW books and video games have been doing this from the beginning, so I don't know why anyone's surprised. Even when set ten thousand years before the movies (the KOTOR era), everything looks and sounds just like it does in the movies and it's about Jedi and Sith. Rogue One is the only post-OT Star Wars movie I've enjoyed.
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Jul 23, 2018 22:39
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site posted:Its kinda ridiculous that you could basically do any type of movie you wanted, just set in the sw universe, but theyre dead set on doing squeezing blood from the stone that is the ot they're probably rethinking that after Solo, fwiw, and at least the new RJ trilogy has been explicitly billed as having little or no connection to existing franchise canon
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Jul 23, 2018 22:41
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TLJ was a naval movie and everyone complained. Make up your mind, incels.
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Jul 23, 2018 22:48
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Aphrodite posted:TLJ was a naval movie and everyone complained. Lmao wasn't much of a naval movie. I want to see a space battle a la Battle of Endor!
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Jul 23, 2018 22:50
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pubic works project posted:Lmao wasn't much of a naval movie. I want to see a space battle a la Battle of Endor! Rogue One exists
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Jul 23, 2018 23:04
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R1s space battle is so good
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Jul 23, 2018 23:06
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Do people seriously think one unsuccessful movie has somehow killed Star Wars? I am surprised we are still discussing this.
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Jul 23, 2018 23:06
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Fangz posted:Do people seriously think one unsuccessful movie has somehow killed Star Wars? I am surprised we are still discussing this. Yes. They do think this.
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Jul 23, 2018 23:07
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Solo wouldn't even have been unsuccessful if they hadn't ploughed so much money into redoing 80% of the movie. I'm absolutely not saying Star Wars is dead or anything, just that I think Marvel is bigger than it now.
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Jul 23, 2018 23:08
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Rogue 1 is the only good NuStar Wars.
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Jul 23, 2018 23:18
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The worst thing I found out about Star Wars is that the only one I like is the one everyone thinks killed the franchise and led to Solo bombing.
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Jul 23, 2018 23:20
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Marvel's a much bigger cash cow to Disney these days than Star Wars. Especially in movies. More movies a year. More made overseas (Star Wars is not big at all in China and some other markets). It's undeniable even before the recent disappointments critically and now financially that Marvel is a much bigger part of Disney's business plans than Star Wars. That doesn't mean it'll be like that in five years though. I'm sure they'll do everything they can to turn the ship around and have both firing hit after hit at some point.
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Jul 23, 2018 23:26
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Fangz posted:Do people seriously think one unsuccessful movie has somehow killed Star Wars? I am surprised we are still discussing this. Not killed, but was made a less successful property than Marvel, yeah.
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Jul 23, 2018 23:27
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X-O posted:Marvel's a much bigger cash cow to Disney these days than Star Wars. Especially in movies. More movies a year. More made overseas (Star Wars is not big at all in China and some other markets). It's undeniable even before the recent disappointments critically and now financially that Marvel is a much bigger part of Disney's business plans than Star Wars. That doesn't mean it'll be like that in five years though. I'm sure they'll do everything they can to turn the ship around and have both firing hit after hit at some point. Yeah, but because of volume. Individually Star Wars was bigger in general, until Solo broke the pattern.
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Jul 23, 2018 23:32
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Not killed, but was made a less successful property than Marvel, yeah. It kind of already was though. I mean the first Star Wars movie that came out from Disney was huge domestically sure, and will not be surpassed probably by any Marvel film domestically. But that was an event because it was the first big new one in a decade. Then the spinoff did good, but not unlike the bigger Marvel films. Then the next regular Star Wars movie did real good too, especially at first, until people started disliking it. And now the most recent is being called a flop (whether it is or not is up to your definition I suppose.) But again a lot of that is domestic. The Last Jedi made 1.3 billion. That's a HUGE hit financially if not critically. But it made only 54% of that worldwide. Infinity War has made over 2 billion at this point and 67% of that is worldwide. Marvel is a much bigger worldwide phenomenon than Star Wars. Here in the US it's close, but other places it's not close.
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Star Wars fandom is literally toxic. MCU fandom is pretty great.
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Jul 23, 2018 23:36
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I think they meant "critically". And by that I mean fan boys whined about it a whole lot and now will never watch a star war until goddamnit rey's parents are SOMEBODY and someone has a laser battle and fights with light swords all the time!
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Jul 23, 2018 23:36
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Worldwide dollars are worth significantly less than domestic dollars.Rhyno posted:Star Wars fandom is literally toxic. MCU fandom is pretty great. If you ignore the horrible racist incels.
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Rhyno posted:Star Wars fandom is literally toxic. MCU fandom is pretty great. If you mean the people complaining about Rey being a mary sue, those aren't fandom.
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Jul 23, 2018 23:38
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The Star Wars fandom has been poo poo since 1999 (maybe earlier). I am sad to have been one.
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Jul 23, 2018 23:39
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The moment you remove either Force users, or the Empire or Rebellion, Star Wars immediately just becomes some generic sci-fi property. Without those things, there's nothing to distinguish it from any no brand film.
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CelticPredator posted:The Star Wars fandom has been poo poo since 1999 (maybe earlier). I am sad to have been one. Weird, that's when the movies became poo poo.
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Davros1 posted:The moment you remove either Force users, or the Empire or Rebellion, Star Wars immediately just becomes some generic sci-fi property. Without those things, there's nothing to distinguish it from any no brand film. Yeah, but people are always going to complain that it's always Jedi vs Sith and Empire vs Rebellion all the time, so you can't win. Anyway, Star Wars fans being bad goes back long before 1999. I mean, look at this thing.
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Aphrodite posted:Worldwide dollars are worth significantly less than domestic dollars. OK, but that doesn't matter because more worldwide dollars are still worth more than less worldwide dollars. Marvel has had two movies this year that have made more domestically than all but the first new Star Wars film. That's not going to happen every year of course. But it doesn't have to. Marvel's a bigger brand right now. And it's one that's not 'tarnished' right now.
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Rhyno posted:Star Wars fandom is literally toxic. MCU fandom is pretty great. I'd replace pretty with fairly, but I'd argue this is why the MCU is doing better. Their films are fairly safer fair, but the fans tend to kind of go with it all, regardless of quality. I thought Ant Man and the Wasp was really boring and I wish I didn't pay money for it, but most people seem pretty fine with it so hey. Where's Star Wars, it's ALL OR NOTHING. It's either AMAZING or it loving SUCKS. Reading reviews of TFA was pretty telling how this would go. All positive reviews and joy and praise... and then WHAM. Worst Star War. Bad Star War. And that's how this is going to go until the end of Star Wars. It happened with TPM and it will happen with Episode 9. It's tiring and lame and it's why Star Wars must be put down. Thank you for your time, your honor.
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Lurdiak posted:Weird, that's when the movies became poo poo.
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The worst thing about MCU fandom was the people being like "okay, calm down negros, Black Panther isn't that great" and then it made so much money that they pretty much retreated. I will forever love BP just for that.
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Rhyno posted:The worst thing about MCU fandom was the people being like "okay, calm down negros, Black Panther isn't that great" and then it made so much money that they pretty much retreated. I will forever love BP just for that. Marvel made Black Panther a bigger deal than Captain America and Iron Man, after making Captain America and Iron Man into a big deal for the first time in decades, and for that they will always have my affection.
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Timeless Appeal posted:I'm going to go ahead and say that if you're the type of person willing to send death threats in 1999 to the guy who played Jar Jar Binks, then you're already a terrible person. Did that happen? I mean it sounds like it probably did. Obviously that's lovely but I don't think there's a point when the Star Wars fandom "became bad". Anyway I'm pretty sure Solo under-performing doesn't mean anything besides people not caring about Young Han Solo Adventures. Everyone's been doomsaying the new Star Wars stuff since the first Force Awakens trailer, from angry MRAs to bitter prequel defenders.
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Lurdiak posted:Did that happen? I mean it sounds like it probably did. Obviously that's lovely but I don't think there's a point when the Star Wars fandom "became bad". The actor discussed how he almost killed himself over it.
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ImpAtom posted:The actor discussed how he almost killed himself over it. That is really wack.
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