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https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jul/25/haruki-murakami-novel-indecent-hong-kong-censors-killing-commendatorequote:The latest novel from Haruki Murakami, Japan’s most celebrated literary export, has fallen foul of censors in Hong Kong, where it was ruled to be indecent by a tribunal and removed from display at a book fair.
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evil_bunnY posted:I work in tech and hate their tech coverage. Wife is a scientist and curses their science coverage. HTH yeah it'd be great if they got writing from the actual science and tech communicators in britain and relegated their dumbass correspondents to editing things much smarter people wrote. it's not like britain lacks for those sorts of communicators, either; rachel riley remains one of the best mathematics communicators on the loving planet.
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Holy crap, Xinjiang is in the poo poo more than usual. Ethnic cleansing anyone? https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/07/25/ngos-note-staggering-rise-arrests-china-cracks-minorities-muslim-region/ quote:According to Chinese government data, the percentage of criminal arrests made in the region rose by 306 per cent in the past five years, compared to the previous five year period. Nearly 70 per cent of those arrests were made in 2017. Xinjiang accounts for 21 per cent of the total number of arrests in China, despite its population compromising only 1.5 per cent of the country’s whole.
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Haruki Murakami is an extremely lovely author so they should’ve fully banned the novel.
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So China often counters foreign criticism with the old, "mind your own business, this is a Chinese matter, you don't understand/respect our culture blah blah" lines and it seems really effective. Like, way more effective than other countries that try to use it. Fairweather liberals will accept these lines in spite of what they do to muslims and other minorities while praising their latest face project. How does the CCP do it??
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This was posted in that documentary thread a few months ago. Dystopian poo poo. Chinese tour groups being used as a tool in ethnic cleansing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ3fG-tnzCk The Real Amethyst fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jul 25, 2018 |
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i don't care for murakami haruki's work but i think banning or censoring books is the worst. i wouldn't even ban twilight
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nickmeister posted:So China often counters foreign criticism with the old, "mind your own business, this is a Chinese matter, you don't understand/respect our culture blah blah" lines and it seems really effective. Like, way more effective than other countries that try to use it. Fairweather liberals will accept these lines in spite of what they do to muslims and other minorities while praising their latest face project. How does the CCP do it?? Copious piles of cash directly into elected officials coffers
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nickmeister posted:So China often counters foreign criticism with the old, "mind your own business, this is a Chinese matter, you don't understand/respect our culture blah blah" lines and it seems really effective. Like, way more effective than other countries that try to use it. Fairweather liberals will accept these lines in spite of what they do to muslims and other minorities while praising their latest face project. How does the CCP do it?? The CCP has absolute power and has had it for generations. To call them out is to pick a fight with a powerful regime that almost certainly has a lot of reach into your country/organisation, and its a regime that isn't going to be deposed any time soon. E: Also it does happen around the world. Not many foreigners know that Australia has literal concentration camps for refugees, despite both major parties in our government boasting about it. People who are almost certainly going to get hunted down just for existing back home would rather kill themselves than be in Australian camps. It's disgusting and literally nobody calls us on our poo poo, and we're a comparatively tiny country with very little muscle to flex. underage at the vape shop fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jul 25, 2018 |
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it's only cool to hate america, hating other places is just being a hater
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underage at the vape shop posted:The CCP has absolute power and has had it for generations. To call them out is to pick a fight with a powerful regime that almost certainly has a lot of reach into your country/organisation, and its a regime that isn't going to be deposed any time soon. Or maybe it's because Australia is basically a vassal state of the PRC now? Maybe you guys have inherited the "immune to criticism" trait.
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nickmeister posted:Or maybe it's because Australia is basically a vassal state of the PRC now? Maybe you guys have inherited the "immune to criticism" trait. I mean chabuduo is a literal translation of "she'll be right" so we're halfway there.
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basically all of europe is being pretty much exactly as awful to ethnic and religious minorities now as the USA was in the run-up to the civil war, short of the actual literal owning of people. freed blacks had a really loving bleak social and economic outlook, and so do muslims immigrating to most of europe fleeing war zones and literal death. france in particular is loving galaxy brain level racism, they otherize outside influences institutionally in their loving government linguistics department, in addition to the standard battery of horrifying xenophobia that is fairly standard throughout western europe that makes anyone without full naturalization a second class citizen and third choice for any job, especially menial jobs that immigrants usually end up taking the italian political machine actively suppresses a majority of all votes by treating women as property and using intimidation tactics on any political outsider spain is so hosed they're barely holding off a popular groundswell to have a regional succession crisis ala the American Civil War, only 150 years later russia is...russia, that country is literally drinking itself to death because it is so incredibly depressing and pointless to live under the dystopia that has taken root there and it's still verboten to criticize them unless they are actively invading crimea (and even then you'll get some pushback) israel is definitely on the road to a cultural genocide at this point and it's not ok to say that maybe they can cool it with settlement building in disputed areas to avoid making that situation worse none of this will ever make the news for more than a day, whataboutism is so ingrained in national discourse that everyone except the fashionable targets are immune to criticism because everyone sucks. the fashionable targets now are the USA and the UK. no place is good. every place sucks. the question is what kind of suck are we dealing with and how much that suck offends you. it'd be great if we could introduce that context when people are talking about cultures they have no concept of or contact with but even the wokest nerds will revert back to grade school napoleon complexes about this stuff. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jul 25, 2018 |
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Europeans always tell me racism is an American problem. In Europe, you’re judged by the town you’re born in, not your ethnic background. Everyone is equally German or French, there is no “Arab-German”. Lol
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Pro PRC Laowai posted:Europeans always tell me racism is an American problem. In Europe, you’re judged by the town you’re born in, not your ethnic background. Everyone is equally German or French, there is no “Arab-German”. you should talk to smarter people?
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Well, america is well on it's way to full on 3rd world status. Maybe they'll go easy on us then haha
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i heard that exact line about a thousand times during a big outreach thing i did for the rotary across germany and austria back in like 2014 or some poo poo. not a single loving person got that this literally meant that someone born outside of their country's borders could never be german or austrian and how that sentiment was three times as racist as anything they could quote from usa today. there will never be any large scale studies quantifying this horseshit. there will never be any thinkpieces on how "europeans" can be more accepting and respectful of other cultures that become global memes pointing out how dumb they can be. there will never be any double-think articles about how chastising 'americans' as an entire, homogeneous unit is itself incredibly bigoted and absurd. there will never be any documentaries aimed at other cultures patiently explaining how the wonky cultural patchwork of the USA actually functions - instead they'll keep doing deep meditations on other cultures, selling them to american consumers, and then sneering at them for somehow not knowing it already. gently caress, there's still only the very occasional and always forgotten news article about how, no matter what way you slice it - culturally, geographically, or economically - the USA is 5-7 countries hastily welded together into one, so characterizing 'americans' as one thing is just as loving idiotic as characterizing 'europeans' as one thing. any german would balk at being lumped in with a spaniard, so you loving bet a midwestern cat would balk at being characterized with some dork from the pacifica or tidewater regions. international relations are immensely oversimplified because other countries only matter insofar as they affect an individual - and even with such a huge globalization push, they really don't. and honestly, i think that's fine. wishing for ultimate fairness and fact in this sort of thing is wishing for like the final brick in the utopian framework that ends all hatred and suffering in the world. i have way bigger fish to fry personally and the world's got way bigger fish to fry generally. it's enough to understand, imo, that anyone who preoccupies themselves with how those country-people be all like UGHHN and we be all like HUUAAA is really just not worth listening to. i don't feel the need to engage every hypocritical dork out there, and i don't feel required to admit they have a point (because they don't). a large part of the reason i like posting in this thread as opposed to anything D&D is that the folks in here mostly reserve their venom for the CCP, which is in fact a monolith and it is in fact worth pissing on. even hate on "chinese characteristics" end up coming back to how the CCP has basically molested the culture of China for generations. if the CCP fell tomorrow and the country become more egalitarian and open as a result (which, during the interstitial periods where there wasn't an overarching government choking the life out of everything, it was), i think we'd find out exactly how many of these traditions are actually traditions versus bad habits instituted by a corrupt and rapacious government that was feeding on its own people. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 25, 2018 |
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Coolguye posted:i heard that exact line about a thousand times during a big outreach thing i did for the rotary across germany and austria back in like 2014 or some poo poo. not a single loving person got that this literally meant that someone born outside of their country's borders could never be german or austrian and how that sentiment was three times as racist as anything they could quote from usa today. also I enjoyed this post, more posts like this, and agreed this thread is like one billion times better than D&D, lol
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The Great Autismo! posted:also I enjoyed this post, more posts like this, and agreed this thread is like one billion times better than D&D, lol Because d&d is full of butt blasted limp wristed Europeans sniffing their own farts
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Pro PRC Laowai posted:Because d&d is full of butt blasted limp wristed Europeans sniffing their own farts All those beside "European" are good tho
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Pro PRC Laowai posted:Because d&d is full of butt blasted limp wristed Europeans sniffing their own farts hey did you really mean it when you said I was an abusive dad 
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The Great Autismo! posted:hey did you really mean it when you said I was an abusive dad No I’m sorry you actually seem halfway decent There’s some real turds floating around this thread though, you know who you are
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Pro PRC Laowai posted:No Whose rereg are you? You’re real grouchy
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WatermelonGun posted:Whose rereg are you? You’re real grouchy I’m your rereg you yellow fever nazi turdbreath
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Pro PRC Laowai posted:No aw, thank you. I guess if you aren't peven Stan you wouldn't know but I have posted about how I've lurked asian masculinity and asian identity and agree by and large with the majority of stuff they say, especially as I have a half-asian son now. I've talked about this with Angel Opportunity as well, so for as toxic as those subreddits and that ideology can be when taken too far, it's been very helpful for me to realize the issues that asian or asian American males deal with in the United States and in other cultures
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The Great Autismo! posted:aw, thank you. I guess if you aren't peven Stan you wouldn't know but I have posted about how I've lurked asian masculinity and asian identity and agree by and large with the majority of stuff they say, especially as I have a half-asian son now. I've talked about this with Angel Opportunity as well, so for as toxic as those subreddits and that ideology can be when taken too far, it's been very helpful for me to realize the issues that asian or asian American males deal with in the United States and in other cultures Good luck man, I’m sure you’ll do fine Those places are full of shitheads but like you said a lot of the issues they raise are valid, the first step to being a good dad is swallowing those bitter pills
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Pro PRC Laowai posted:I’m your rereg you yellow fever nazi turdbreath You seem stable
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The Great Autismo! posted:aw, thank you. I guess if you aren't peven Stan you wouldn't know but I have posted about how I've lurked asian masculinity and asian identity and agree by and large with the majority of stuff they say, especially as I have a half-asian son now. I've talked about this with Angel Opportunity as well, so for as toxic as those subreddits and that ideology can be when taken too far, it's been very helpful for me to realize the issues that asian or asian American males deal with in the United States and in other cultures Aren’t you living in Japan though? Honestly your son will probably face none of the issues those guys talk about due to his half white privilege, he’ll probably end up on an episode of terrace house or something. At least once he’s an adult, I imagine the childhood bullying for him there may be quite bad
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Coolguye posted:i heard that exact line about a thousand times during a big outreach thing i did for the rotary across germany and austria back in like 2014 or some poo poo. not a single loving person got that this literally meant that someone born outside of their country's borders could never be german or austrian and how that sentiment was three times as racist as anything they could quote from usa today. "To generalise, Europeans generalise about other geographical areas' people, which they shouldn't"
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