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Let the killing begin is a win more talent that if you get the hero kill you should have already won the fight. ZJ should almost always be the focus target in any protracted fight. You either die before it's useful or you already won. Getting the apex down ain't that hard. Especially with a root, twin cleave and guillotine to catch someone out of position. If you only hit 8 apex hits a game you need better aim. It also keeps ZJ safer for his dps in any kind of defense or poke fight
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Nybble posted:Unless there is a Fnatic throw, this was a good call. Almost over, so tune in: https://www.twitch.tv/blizzheroes They're doing the post-game analysis, click now.
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Jul 27, 2018 18:48
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Star posted:Problem is that every rational argument goes out the window once you hear that sweet axe sound I've had some games where I hit 3 heroes in the apex in a late game push and it made the difference in securing kills, especially since it's safer to use than attacking. I've never had an issue hitting someone in the apex really, I honestly have a harder time being in attack range and not being focused and dying immediately. Wow beaten above with the exact same points.
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Jul 27, 2018 18:49
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5 and a half minutes from now, apparently
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Jul 27, 2018 19:06
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certainly no pants but pretty unappealing, pretty big letdown after that cool teaser art. Actually she looks terribad, needs to deal damage to heal and has no escape and no CC and is mana constrained by design. Her numbers are going to have to be so stupid.
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Jul 27, 2018 19:09
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Im always a fan of "offensive support" concepts. Whitemane looks pretty straightforward but her aoe heal + armor ult looks like it might be really strong for objective fights. The 20 upgrade gives unstoppable to your team too.
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Jul 27, 2018 19:09
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Really boring kit, hard pass.
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She's a Disc Priest everybody.
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She had dumps like a truck, truck, truck Thighs like what, what, what All night long Polio Vax Scene posted:literally a thong
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Jul 27, 2018 19:10
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Zero pants guys. Zero pants.
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Jul 27, 2018 19:10
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She looked like a wet noodle.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdpqWokf3_w
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Jul 27, 2018 19:11
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Seems like the kind of hero that will constantly rubberband between underperforming and being OP with patches.
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Jul 27, 2018 19:13
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ToastyPotato posted:Seems like the kind of hero that will constantly rubberband between underperforming and being OP with patches. But that's every support
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Jul 27, 2018 19:14
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Whitemane never stood a chance trying to follow in potion grandpa's support wake.
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Jul 27, 2018 19:14
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The mechanic of healing by doing damage is a problem mechanic in general (and there's way too much of it in the game), basing another healer around it is so dumb.
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Jul 27, 2018 19:15
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Straight up a disc priest looks fun.
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Jul 27, 2018 19:18
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It seems strange that they didn't give her a rez since that was her iconic thing in the game. I guess they couldn't figure out how to distinguish it from auriels (or wanted to leave it open so they can give one to mercy eventually)
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Jul 27, 2018 19:23
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Jul 27, 2018 19:26
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come on blizz please just give whitemane some pants
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Jul 27, 2018 19:29
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Orthodox Rabbit posted:It seems strange that they didn't give her a rez since that was her iconic thing in the game. I guess they couldn't figure out how to distinguish it from auriels (or wanted to leave it open so they can give one to mercy eventually) Or they do not wanna put in her more rezz's in a game that has no need for that mechanic
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Jul 27, 2018 19:32
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I think her face is a bit more on the pouty side than the Queen Bitch side I think they were going for.
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She seems like an interesting but not default choice. No escape, somewhat mediocre AOE healing, heavy mana management, several couple options for slows and roots. Should combo well with caster heavy teams or vs mobile (overwatch) comps. But pants would have been nice. Still wanna see how silly her hats get with the skins.
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Orthodox Rabbit posted:It seems strange that they didn't give her a rez since that was her iconic thing in the game. I guess they couldn't figure out how to distinguish it from auriels (or wanted to leave it open so they can give one to mercy eventually) Or it's essentially OP however they do it. Most of the ideas I could come up with probably needed dumb numbers to not be an auto-win button. To make it like the WoW fight, she needs to be able to stun all nearby enemies while ressing someone back to full health (and then healing herself). A lot of that can't be balanced - either the res is for a really brief timeframe, the hero comes back to life at almost no health, you don't stun her enemies, or it's a really slow, really expensive channel with a huge cooldown. You probably can only do parts of a few of those things. Can you imagine watching the other team bring back to life at full health a JoJo or Yrel you just FINALLY managed to kill on an objective? I understand why it's not there, but I'm still disappointed. Blizz seems to be heavily shying away from outside-the-box ideas. That makes sense from a play balance/competitive POV, but it also restricts gameplay evolution.
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Small bugfix patch today.quote:Bug Fixes Has anybody tried nu Artanis? I always liked that cat, especially on clusterfuck teamfight maps.
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Jul 27, 2018 19:40
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Whitemane is as tall as Diablo, what the heck
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Jul 27, 2018 19:42
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Or it's essentially OP however they do it. Most of the ideas I could come up with probably needed dumb numbers to not be an auto-win button. To make it like the WoW fight, she needs to be able to stun all nearby enemies while ressing someone back to full health (and then healing herself). A lot of that can't be balanced - either the res is for a really brief timeframe, the hero comes back to life at almost no health, you don't stun her enemies, or it's a really slow, really expensive channel with a huge cooldown. You probably can only do parts of a few of those things. Can you imagine watching the other team bring back to life at full health a JoJo or Yrel you just FINALLY managed to kill on an objective? Yeah, it totally makes sense as a gameplay thing its just kind of strange because that was THE thing whitemane did
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Jul 27, 2018 19:43
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BrianBoitano posted:Small bugfix patch today. I probably will today. It will be neat getting to use Zealot Charge, I usually picked something else at 16, but since it's at 20 now and Nexus Blades are gone... At a glance, I think he's stronger early/mid game, but losing Nexus Blades at 20 without a comparable replacement seems like quote a nerf late.
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Jul 27, 2018 19:46
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Semper Fudge posted:Whitemane is as tall as Diablo, what the heck She has heels on
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BrianBoitano posted:Small bugfix patch today. No, but a buddy of mine has been picking him up in QM while the rest of us go Arthas/Raynor/long ranged support. He's pretty durable, does respectable damage for a team, his laser ult still sucks without someone slowing, and swaps are still twitchy. Mediocre when we're playing random heroes for daily quests, great with a specific comp in mind.
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:At a glance, I think he's stronger early/mid game, but losing Nexus Blades at 20 without a comparable replacement seems like quote a nerf late. Didn't he get a new talent at 16 or something thats a replacement for nexus blades or am I misremembering
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Relentless posted:Still wanna see how silly her hats get with the skins. https://heroesofthestorm.com/en-us/heroes/whitemane/#?skin=celestial-empress-whitemane It's pretty ridiculous. The moving starfield in her outfit in that skin is a neat touch, though.
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Orthodox Rabbit posted:Yeah, it totally makes sense as a gameplay thing its just kind of strange because that was THE thing whitemane did Guess she got the garrosh treatment where they picked a fan favorite and just slapped a random kit that vaguely fits on her? I don't know, people will play her no matter what because no pants.
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If they wanted to increase skin sales just give every hero a no pants skin. No pants amodan, no pants fenix, no pants kelthuzad
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Wow, that model, uh... doesn't look very much like the art. Like, at all. Model!Whitemane lost a few pounds in prep for the spotlight, I see.Noah posted:Let the killing begin is a win more talent that if you get the hero kill you should have already won the fight. ZJ should almost always be the focus target in any protracted fight. You either die before it's useful or you already won. Getting the apex down ain't that hard. Especially with a root, twin cleave and guillotine to catch someone out of position. If you only hit 8 apex hits a game you need better aim. It also keeps ZJ safer for his dps in any kind of defense or poke fight That said, the Mage'jin main I pulled replays from is Master in HL. Not only does he know what he's talking about, but his opponents know what they're doing - it's not just a question of "aim better". In his words: "It's better to go for a non-optimal poke for more damage on Arcanite than try for the damage bonus of Wrong Place and gently caress up your positioning. Twin Cleave is for poke and zoning. If you want to blow someone up, use Guillo."
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:come on blizz No.
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:I probably will today. It will be neat getting to use Zealot Charge, I usually picked something else at 16, but since it's at 20 now and Nexus Blades are gone... He has the blades of the templar at 16 now. It's basically nexus blades but gives 30% attack speed instead of damage, which may be a buff given how his passive works?
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Yeah unless Whitemane's numbers are crazy I'm not sure she's going to be able to hack it as a solo support.
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She'll be buffed until she can (like Lili). But she's not going to feel very rewarding to improve with imo.
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