|
anime tupac posted:Also, to those of you who are familiar with the game's weird backstory involving ancient societies and Akkadian death gods or whatever, I assume there's a reason that the Benevolent Bank logo is basically the Maltese Cross? Lol at remembering I brought this up like five years ago in secrets discussions. Oh god my life.
|
#
?
Jul 25, 2018 21:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 29, 2024 01:29 |
|
|
I remember getting all excited because Diamond Store had fleur-de-lis on the tile floor. But everyone knows the real secret is the ~mysterious~ baked-in shadow around this one picture frame, to be decoded by using <insert literally any number that exists on a texture here>.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 00:48
|
|
|
anime tupac posted:Also, to those of you who are familiar with the game's weird backstory involving ancient societies and Akkadian death gods or whatever, I assume there's a reason that the Benevolent Bank logo is basically the Maltese Cross? yeah it appeared in the sky to clownstantine a couple thousand years ago
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 04:56
|
|
|
It matches the Maltese cross tattooed on Bain's nutsack
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 09:39
|
|
|
Ok I hadn't even remotely head about any of that poo poo but I haven't exactly immersed myself in the game for a long time. Is there a lore dump anywhere?
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 22:03
|
|
|
Hexenritter posted:Ok I hadn't even remotely head about any of that poo poo but I haven't exactly immersed myself in the game for a long time. Is there a lore dump anywhere? Yes, they're just different sections of the same The Secret™ article.
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 23:05
|
|
|
please don't encourage vox
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 23:14
|
|
|
maswastaken posted:Characters and E-mails & Heists Thanks muchly
|
|
#
?
Jul 26, 2018 23:55
|
|
|
I seem to remember someone in this thread posting a list of perk decks and their efficacy but I forget where I saw it. How do you guys feel about these survey results? https://www.reddit.com/r/paydaytheheist/comments/6u3yni/payday_2_perk_deck_tier_list_survey_results/ I picked up Anarchist but I don't love it, although I'm probably not using it right. My first deck was Crook, which feels much more like a straight upgrade as opposed to a weird new playstyle that I'm not familiar with. I note that Armorer and Muscle are both usually rated pretty highly; I assume that still applies?
|
|
#
?
Jul 27, 2018 21:50
|
|
|
I guess you mean this post - some of it's a little out of date and I don't know of more recent one. Not quoting it because it's really drat long. The survey seems mostly right but again, a little out of date. It is weird for them to make out that decks that work on Death Sentence are necessarily better than decks that don't. Crook absolutely crushes Rogue on every other difficulty and Armorer is absolutely only on the list for its invulnerability effect, which doesn't matter nearly as much on Death Wish where most enemies are doing about a third of their Death Sentence damage and you could actually survive a little more than just the next hit. Put Stoic in A tier as well, I guess. Muscle's still pretty great - or so I hear.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 01:56
|
|
|
I don't feel like Muscle's gonna be all that useful on DS unless you're combining it with aced HVT. And as someone who used to main Armorer a lot, it's much tougher to use with the increased spawncaps. It's very map situational now; anything that has a lot of cover and corners to play with will work for Armorer but Anarchist with fire procs is still going to be superior. I would shift Maniac and Ex-President down a tier in that Reddit list. I feel like Maniac is very limited based on what weapons you bring and Ex-President doesn't really hack it any more, again, because of the increased spawncaps. It was fun while it lasted.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 02:21
|
|
|
anime tupac posted:Also, to those of you who are familiar with the game's weird backstory involving ancient societies and Akkadian death gods or whatever, I assume there's a reason that the Benevolent Bank logo is basically the Maltese Cross? Nowadays the best guess is that Big Bank is run by...ugh. This is going to get complicated. Let me find my effortpost. Background Once upon a time there was a Thing of Power. It was used by an alliance of three kings. The Thing of Power made these three basically immortal superbeings, along with other benefits. They had an alliance to share the Thing. This alliance was called "Kataru". (Kataru literally means "alliance" in ancient sumerian, to give you an idea of how old these guys are). Kataru ruled the world-basically they were the illuminati on steroids. Karatu had, like, squires, pages, or officers or something, which were called "Watchers". One of the Watchers, a guy named Baldwin, tried to steal the Thing in about 1814 (this was when the White House was burned down). Baldwin failed to seize the Thing, and disappeared. This mess set off a power stuggle that caused Kataru to collapse- the Thing got sealed away, the kings split up and started stealing and hiding each other's junk like it was a bad breakup. One of the Kings came out mostly on top of this struggle, and he was still immortal, but he didn't have access to the Thing, and some of the other powerful artifacts used to access the Thing. This guy effectively took over Kataru and used it to seek out the other artifacts and engage in an extended secret conflict with the other group members. (Since this time, it appears the Thing, or at least the key to accessing the Thing, has been referred to as "Baldwin's Lament". That name is dumb, so I'll keep calling it the Thing.) Old Kataru members It looks like Kataru consisted of the following members: King 1: "Doctor King", aka the Dentist. Associated with that box with the eye of providence/pyramid on it, and The Diamond, which is also called the Demon Star. The king who took over Kataru? That's the Dentist. Basically every antagonist group in the game, starting with Murkywater and including Gensec and the Garnet Group, seem to be working for him. He's apparently all-powerful, especially since we retrieved his box for him from the golden grin casino. He's also got the feds working for him at this point. King 2: "King Elephant", no prizes for guessing his identity. Associated with a box with a bird's flight trail on it (but the bird is tiny, the whole thing looks like an abstract snake), and the Police Star. It looks like the Elephant was trying to coach Bain to be a sort of new generation of Watcher, maybe. Whatever his plan was, it's largely fallen apart with Bain gone and with McKendrick having turned on him. It looks likely that he was the reason that the Diamond was in a museum, and the Dentist's Loot was in the Golden Grin. (for the record, a bunch of crossover heists that have us hitting Murkywater were originally going to be hitting the company for the Elephant.) It appears that the Elephant has deep ties to the actual American government, and it appears likely that the Big Bank and Golden Grin were both under his direct or indirect control (since the Dentist sent us to attack them). King 3: "Scribe King", identity unknown. Associated with a box with a double triangle thing on it, and the "Fate Star". Might have gotten killed in the civil war, might be hidden, might be Bain. No one's sure. It would be odd, but is theoretically possible that Nathan Garnet, the secretive head of the Garnet Group, is this king. Watchers: Basically pages, probably functionaries meant to keep the kings from abusing their power and keep the pact going, safeguarding the Lament. Baldwin was definitely a watcher, Cagliostro was probably one. It's indicated that by 1905, all of the Watchers are "gone", due to the collapse of the old alliance. Some lines indicate Bain is also a Watcher- it's unclear who made him one, but it's implied that he's associated with the Scribe King. Lindenhurst: Referred to as a "regent", which is someone who fills in when a king is unavailable. Possibly filling in for the "scribe king". Lindenhurst possessed an item, the "Amulet of the Perseids," which he passed on to Duke's grandfather, Desmond, shortly before being killed in 1905. Duke says he was killed by another regent, which doesn't make much sense. Right Now We're going for the Thing(aka Baldwin's Lament). The Thing may or may not trigger the apocalypse. We have all three of the Kings' boxes (whatever those are), and the Amulet. It seems like the Dentist has at least one of the three "stars", and, well, Bain. And the police. And Kento. Did I mention Kento appears to be running Murkywater for the Dentist? well, he is. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Jul 28, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 04:11
|
|
|
Holy loving poo poo that's deep and involved and completely the gently caress out there for a game about shooting cops and half-inching people's life savings. I mean, I like it, don't get me wrong, because I love batshit weird occult and ancient world stuff, but 
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 06:50
|
|
|
Literally stopped reading that when I saw there was more than one paragraph.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 07:42
|
|
|
I actually really enjoy the weird secret lore and will continue to do so as long as it remains completely ancillary to what actually goes on in the game.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 07:53
|
|
|
Discendo Vox posted:Nowadays the best guess is that Big Bank is run by...ugh. This is going to get complicated. Let me find my effortpost. What's Locke's role in all of this?
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 08:23
|
|
|
Laputanmachine posted:What's Locke's role in all of this? Locke is a smelly fish.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 14:19
|
|
|
Discendo Vox posted:Nowadays the best guess is that Big Bank is run by...ugh. This is going to get complicated. Let me find my effortpost. And no offense to Vox but this is why most of us just click loving cops.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 15:11
|
|
|
Hexenritter posted:Holy loving poo poo that's deep and involved and completely the gently caress out there for a game about shooting cops and half-inching people's life savings. I mean, I like it, don't get me wrong, because I love batshit weird occult and ancient world stuff, but swims posted:Literally stopped reading that when I saw there was more than one paragraph.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 15:12
|
|
|
I always thought the secret would be related to some kind of special entrance/ exit in frames 2 train yard. Like the chopper guy gives you a different order than usual.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 16:26
|
|
|
swims posted:I always thought the secret would be related to some kind of special entrance/ exit in frames 2 train yard. Like the chopper guy gives you a different order than usual. I've been betting since Big Bank was released that, like the Overdrill, there will be a second vault that takes a long time to break into. I'm thinking it'll be in the lobby at the bottom of that stairwell that leads to nothing and serves no real purpose, meaning it'll be an absolute bitch to keep it secure on higher difficulties.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 17:18
|
|
|
The secret is a button, that looks like a brick, that a civie has to press in Harvest and Trustee when you first go loud. So it involve the dog killer.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 18:11
|
|
|
The secret is that Lab Rats is actually the best heist in the game.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 18:16
|
|
|
Shooting Blanks posted:I've been betting since Big Bank was released that, like the Overdrill, there will be a second vault that takes a long time to break into. I'm thinking it'll be in the lobby at the bottom of that stairwell that leads to nothing and serves no real purpose, meaning it'll be an absolute bitch to keep it secure on higher difficulties. Nah, the lobby is pretty easy to hold. There are a lot of corners to hide and peek out from. The only issue are the roof snipers having line of sight on that area.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 18:16
|
|
|
Pat Briscoe is the third immortal king and Alesso is a watcher.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 18:23
|
|
|
UnknownMercenary posted:Nah, the lobby is pretty easy to hold. There are a lot of corners to hide and peek out from. The only issue are the roof snipers having line of sight on that area. Maybe it'll require you to stealth the first section then? I dunno. Just seems like such an obvious place for it.
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 18:34
|
|
|
Stealth the entire thing. Once all the bags are secured, the zipline can be set up. The heist goes loud as soon as Floyd smashes through the skylight. Twitch drives away and Bain already told Bile he's not needed so there's no escape for a while. You repeat the server room hack, only spamming with the manager's computer, only one try and actually you need to hack 4 computers within a very narrow time window. After that...
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 19:00
|
|
|
Vox, does your team have any plans for weapon balancing?
|
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 19:10
|
|
|
Shooting Blanks posted:I've been betting since Big Bank was released that, like the Overdrill, there will be a second vault that takes a long time to break into. I'm thinking it'll be in the lobby at the bottom of that stairwell that leads to nothing and serves no real purpose, meaning it'll be an absolute bitch to keep it secure on higher difficulties. That’s so obvious I’d almost be disappointed if it were the case - I mean, the Overdrill is there for anybody patient enough to go after it. At this point, I’d prefer having to keep something from coming out in waves. EDIT: I had a crazy thought - a voice could come from the center saying “CHOOSE THE FORM OF YOUR DESTROYER”, followed by waves of enemies textured with dollar bills that fire gold bars at the heisters. I mean, they wouldn’t know what the gently caress, mang. TheObserver fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jul 28, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jul 28, 2018 22:13
|
|
|
anime tupac posted:I seem to remember someone in this thread posting a list of perk decks and their efficacy but I forget where I saw it. How do you guys feel about these survey results? Armorer and Muscle are both solid all around choices yes. The big thing I disagree with in this ranking of perk decks is that it doesn't properly value team synergies. A crew chief is there to provide flat bonuses to his buddies, not personally be a badass. This is a good role for teammates who maybe aren't the best at fps's. Another one criminally under-rated in those rankings is Gambler. A gambler's ammo box pickups give the whole team ammo and health. Y'know, the two things so important to the team they're what the main deployables provide. It's *pretty* powerful to constantly give your team health and ammo if you know how to leverage that, and it just gets better with a crew chief making you and everyone else more durable while you do it. Both are legit still drat useful things to have on Death Sentence/One Down/wtfever. These benefits grow geometrically when the team's all building around this kinda stuff. If you know your team has a gambler who brings ammo bags consistently, your kingpin can make a less ammo-efficient weapon choice safely, etc.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2018 03:54
|
|
|
Kith posted:Vox, does your team have any plans for weapon balancing? Yes, eventually. We're hoping to put the playerside changes on a separate toggle, because it's going to be impossible to nerf things as much as we're going to need to without making some people very upset. Laputanmachine posted:What's Locke's role in all of this? Locke is now completely trustworthy. Locke was trusted by Bain with his "quest", and Bain staged Locke's betrayal to get the gang away from DC when he felt there was someone getting ready to backstab the crew. The ambush in Alaska was actually a surprise to both Bain and Locke, and the subsequent heists outside of DC were just to keep the crew safe. In reality, Locke was a contractor character meant to paper over some plot holes and act as a contractor for missions that were planned for other characters. After he gained meme status among players, he was used to replace Bain, because Simon Viklund, Bain's voice actor, no longer works for overkill. This required very rapidly retconning him from the least trustworthy character (who was probably going to betray the gang), into someone Bain trusted enough to use as a decoy and actually mislead the crew over. He's kind of a tonal mess; the lines for him in his introduction make him several kinds of amoral war criminal, and his later lines are all "sure I love money, but not as much as I love you, dear fellow friends!". His South African accent and slang are also pretty harmful in his coordinator/announcer/mission control role. Shooting Blanks posted:I've been betting since Big Bank was released that, like the Overdrill, there will be a second vault that takes a long time to break into. I'm thinking it'll be in the lobby at the bottom of that stairwell that leads to nothing and serves no real purpose, meaning it'll be an absolute bitch to keep it secure on higher difficulties. Those doors are supremely suspicious. Big Bank, The Diamond, and Scarface Mansion all have these suspicious voids in the map where a big hidden vault can be cleanly dropped in a future update. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Jul 30, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2018 07:08
|
|
|
Discendo Vox posted:Yes, eventually. We're hoping to put the playerside changes on a separate toggle, because it's going to be impossible to nerf things as much as we're going to need to without making some people very upset. if you gave high-end sniper rifles more ammo i might have to start playing this game again
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2018 07:10
|
|
|
The White Dragon posted:if you gave high-end sniper rifles more ammo i might have to start playing this game again We're looking at it. Snipers are a particular mess because the underlying structure doesn't mesh well with the core pd2 gameplay, there are several different "types" of rifle, and graze just takes a big 'ol dump on balance. Unknownmerc developed a good basic sniper rebalance mod, iirc. I'm hoping to use his stuff as a rubric. edit: I've had a conversation with merc about it; it will be a complicated process, because we'd need to balance sniper damage partially against the CD enemy health values, which are much lower than DS, but are still intentionally an ammo economy constraint. We've also gotta figure out how to balance the semiautos against the bolt-feds, and there are three or four "tiers" of bolt-fed to balance as well. Then there's graze, messing with everything... Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Jul 30, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2018 07:34
|
|
|
The main issues I see with weapon balance as is are: Global pickup is way too loving low in combination with current spawn rates. I may not need to fix this at all since Crackdown already adjusts spawn rates. Jules' fixes being largely reactionary to people's complaints means we have been getting piecemeal buffs but I may remove/tone down some of these. Barrel extensions not really mattering for stats beyond accuracy. While I don't necessarily want a return to the old "your gun sucks unless you specifically have this attachment to bump it up high enough in damage" I would like to see it matter more. I have problems with the way Overkill has chosen to handle certain weapons (Flamethrowers, the OG Minigun, light ARs) but the way to tackle those is either outside of the scope of my LUA knowledge (Flamethrowers) or debatable/not necessary (Minigun and light ARs). In other news: 11 new achievements: "A naturally occurring crystalline inorganic solid with an ordered structure, it fits the properties of a mineral." Your guess is as good as mine 
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2018 19:04
|
|
|
you can attach almost any stat modifier to a barrel so you could treat them like the G3 assault kit/DMR kit in terms of changing a lot of stats, and then whenever anyone complains just tell them it's better than whatever bullshit jules is serving up that day  doing that would let people choose the visual model they want and get the performance they expect based on tier. I don't know any other plausible way to make them useful without turning one specific setup into the one true build for every weapon, but you're more up to date on that than I am. perfect balance is a chimera anyway. UnknownMercenary posted:In other news: 11 new achievements: "A naturally occurring crystalline inorganic solid with an ordered structure, it fits the properties of a mineral." Your guess is as good as mine First thing I thought of was a diamond, but indeed
Psion fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jul 30, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2018 19:24
|
|
|
 (maswastaken got it first)
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2018 19:30
|
|
|
thank you guys for your responses to my questions! Right now i'm only posting to say that I like when you shoot someone just in time to cut off his bark so he winds up saying "Center mass! Center mass for fucks!" e: for tasers: "Lightning B-lauuuughg" e2: I know that Jiro's voice actor is actually Japanese but he's so exaggerated that I'm still sometimes reminded of Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's anime tupac fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Jul 30, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2018 20:15
|
|
|
I like using beserker and the new flamethrower with maniac to make me and my team plausibly more durable to stand in front of a sea of cops plausibly longer before reenacting amber alert commercials.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2018 21:14
|
|
|
Ammo pickup is garbage at the moment, yes, and makes certain builds and weapons very much unviable - eg the classic Akimbo Rogue build. That's already not as strong as it used to be in the heyday of dodge, but would still be fun to use with better pickup. DMRs, too, were infamously nerfed in this way and the developers have steadily refused to even consider any sort of reversion. Fortunately I managed to find a mod that buffs global ammo pickup and the game is way more playable with those values.
|
|
#
?
Jul 31, 2018 14:19
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 29, 2024 01:29 |
|
|
Revisiting the long guide which may be outdated. Transport tiering:quote:I've ordered the heists by perceived difficulty, easiest first. I would re order them as Downtown (easiest) Park Harbor Underpass Crossroads (hardest) I am basing this off of fastest 5 bag clear with saws and bombs. Downtown and Harbor are slotted where they are because of the escape tells they have. Park overall is the most basic. Underpass and Crossroads can be sniper hell and from my experience civs are bullet magnets on these two specific jobs. Downtown and Harbor would be the most difficult if there were no escape tells however. Harbor would probably be toughest due to being such a condensed area with all those specials. Dear Diary,
|
|
#
?
Aug 6, 2018 02:02
|
|