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# ? Jul 30, 2018 05:06 |
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I would listen to hambeet. He is a top Liberal advisor after all.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 05:07 |
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Anidav posted:I would listen to hambeet. He is a top Liberal advisor after all. the reply to all emails are going gang busters today. cash is fully expected to take the fall.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 05:23 |
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Is it conceivable that the staffer that tipped off the media could go to prison for this? Do we have any idea what the charges could be?
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 05:40 |
ewe2 posted:Well it's not like they can talk about policy...and the popularity contest has just fizzled. It's the same with Vic Libs, they've tried their hardest to stick Dandrews with something and their own Guy is running on Laura Norder after being lunched by a mafioso. I dunno, I feel like the mainstream media often does the greens a disservice by trivialising them and writing them off as crazy hippies when really we have more in common with the average punter than the knobs in the Liberal party.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 05:54 |
BBJoey posted:Is it conceivable that the staffer that tipped off the media could go to prison for this? Do we have any idea what the charges could be? The charge would be "unauthorised disclosure of government information", which has a max of 2 years. I dunno if anyone will go to prison over it, though. The Libs are pretty good at avoiding meaningful consequences for poo poo behaviour (see: Tony Abbott and his misappropriation of funds for his book launch).
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 05:56 |
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avshalemon posted:a domestic violence victim was meant to be under police protection to escape her abusive ex, who threatened to strap bombs on their children and told them that he keeps knives in his car so if he ever sees their mother on the street he'll gut her. he's considered a serious threat to the point where their school has a full lockdown procedure to follow specifically in the event that he appears on-campus. anyway, long story short, a brisbane police senior constable told him her new address and that if he did anything to her he wouldn't go to jail, and now he's on the run with several weapons including a gun, also the senior constable still has his job After the victim queries the disciplinary process, Mr Stewart is heard to say: “I don’t understand what is not satisfactory.”
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 06:19 |
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probably going to cop a probie for this but holy poo poo everyone interviewed in this story needs to be summarily executed. flagrant disregard for the law, decency, humanity. i'm so loving furious on this lady's behalf they should publish neil punchard's address and see what happens
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 06:28 |
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No justice no peace
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 06:32 |
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Man the last person I would have suspected of being a morally bereft sadistic gently caress is a QLD cop I mean cmon,
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 06:36 |
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I thought it was an accidental breach by some bumbling moron cop but actually it was an intentional breach by a straight up psychotic cop. very cool poo poo
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 06:39 |
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Don Dongington posted:Except there's absolutely nothing to corroborate it, the ALP have consistently voted with the coalition on subjects like asylum seeker welfare, creepy surveillance state stuff, basically all of the poo poo the Greens actually take a stand on (because nobody else does). Yeah it solves nothing, the people who want to believe it are already the base, everyone else will just roll their eyes and ignore it. edit: froglet posted:I dunno, I feel like the mainstream media often does the greens a disservice by trivialising them and writing them off as crazy hippies when really we have more in common with the average punter than the knobs in the Liberal party. They certainly trivialized the West Australian by-elections. I saw that there was a first preferences swing against the Greens in Fremantle, any explanation given as to why? Perth looks more encouraging though. ewe2 fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jul 30, 2018 |
# ? Jul 30, 2018 06:41 |
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ewe2 posted:Well it's not like they can talk about policy...and the popularity contest has just fizzled. It's the same with Vic Libs, they've tried their hardest to stick Dandrews with something and their own Guy is running on Laura Norder after being lunched by a mafioso. Speak of the devil (Denis Napthine): "ALP-Greens alliance would be a nightmare for Victoria | The Standard posted:What would be the worst result for Victoria at the November state election? ONCE AGAIN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IGNORES THE ETERNAL REIGN OF SHANE RATTENBURY IN CANBERRA Kafka Syrup fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Jul 30, 2018 |
# ? Jul 30, 2018 06:48 |
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Kafka Syrup posted:Speak of the devil (Denis Napthine): Fucks sake
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 06:55 |
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unfortunately a large percentage of votes agree with that sentiment. greens need to rebrand
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 07:05 |
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Beetphyxious posted:unfortunately a large percentage of votes agree with that sentiment. Rebrand and the old smears will rebrand instantly.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 07:19 |
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Beetphyxious posted:unfortunately a large percentage of votes agree with that sentiment. vote 1 the (bob) browns
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 07:20 |
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Kafka Syrup posted:Speak of the devil (Denis Napthine): QED, and I like to think of the hilarity should the Libs "win" and be forced to confront the same possibility, but wheel good old Denis out some more, people might remember what a loving puddle the Libs are and watch the swing increase in the electorates that matter. Such scaremongering has failed repeatedly, but like the definition of madness, Napthine hopes this time it will work, you'll see!!. None of this solves their problems outside of Melbourne, just saying.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 07:23 |
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Beetphyxious posted:unfortunately a large percentage of votes agree with that sentiment. 'Cause that's worked for both Reason and the Center Alliance! Seriously, political rebranding just doesn't work these days; people's memories are too long, politicians are too recognizably tied to the old name, and the history is always easy to look up. That'd be especially true of the Greens, who are kind of the Australian media's favorite political punching bag. You can argue people don't read beyond the surface level, but you know that if the Greens rebranded as the Progressive Party the media would just hammer home 'same Greens, same policies, new coat of paint' long and hard enough for it to not matter.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 07:24 |
ewe2 posted:Yeah it solves nothing, the people who want to believe it are already the base, everyone else will just roll their eyes and ignore it. The federal seat of Freo is a lot larger than just the port. The ALP's primary vote is a lot higher outside Fremantle proper. On the flip side, in comparison to the state election result, it's an improvement. Cynical/depressing answer: the Greens candidate for Freo was an Aboriginal woman (Dorinda Cox) and West Australians aren't exactly known for their acceptance of women or aboriginal people.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 07:28 |
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OK we will keep with the current strategy of waiting for all the baby boomers to die. Good chat.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 07:30 |
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Beetphyxious posted:OK we will keep with the current strategy of waiting for all the baby boomers to die. Just because you can only come up with ideas that suck, doesn't mean all of them do.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 07:32 |
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Well let me know when someone has one.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 07:35 |
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Beetphyxious posted:Well let me know when someone has one. here is one: eco-friendly biodegradeable single use guillotines that are plastic free
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 07:40 |
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Oh wait i was wrong, maybe the baby boomers can outlast the greens
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 07:46 |
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'Baby Boomers aren't dying fast enough' is how the Greens ended up trying to win more votes by moving to the sensible centre for those stellar 8.7% results
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 07:52 |
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Okay fine. You can pollute the environment. Votes please? Boomers: No.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 07:55 |
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So they can repositions and fail, but don't think about rebranding that won't work because...
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 07:59 |
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Anidav posted:Okay fine. You can pollute the environment. Did I say change policies? No, no I did not. Zero points comprehension for you. They have an image problem. How do you solve that? "Uhh ignore it?" ....
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 08:01 |
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froglet posted:Cynical/depressing answer: the Greens candidate for Freo was an Aboriginal woman (Dorinda Cox) and West Australians aren't exactly known for their acceptance of women or aboriginal people. This is true to a point, but I think it's a bit of a simplistic answer that ultimately encourages marginalising other groups at the expense of "safe" straight white male candidates (which I know you're not doing froglet, and I'm not having a go at you specifically, just talking about when it happens generally. I think WA has actually gotten more racist over the last decade, which is lovely to go home to). Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that was a factor for some people, but I think saying "people didn't vote for candidate X because of their gender/race/orientation/surname/whatever" is a bit of a simplistic view that overlooks deeper analysis. In instances where parties are seeing statistically significant swings against them, I think it's important to do a detailed analysis of why that has happened. In some cases it absolutely may be personal against the candidate (not that I have any sympathy, but Georgina Downer and Big Trev whatever his name is definitely experienced a bit of this). In many cases it might actually concern the policies. To use a recent example, in Batman/Cooper I think the backlash against the Greens didn't solely come from the internal bullying reports (although again, couldn't have helped) as much as the fact the policies that were being emphasised weren't right for the area. That's not saying the Greens had no policies for the area, but they absolutely took a second place to Adani, which didn't really matter that much to a lot of people as it was ultimately a Queensland state issue in a Victorian federal by-election. It's absolutely important to keep in mind the demographics of an area and the personal pros and cons of an individual candidate, but I think any analysis of an election loss is incomplete if it doesn't consider policies at all (again, not accusing anyone ITT of doing this).
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 08:03 |
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Beetphyxious posted:Did I say change policies? No, no I did not. Zero points comprehension for you. When the air is toxic and the crops desolate, Australia will admit the greens were righteous assholes and if only they were more polite and better at getting their message across, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 08:07 |
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Let's brainstorm new names: nu laboUr Democratic Labour party.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 08:08 |
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Gentleman Baller posted:When the air is toxic and the crops desolate, Australia will admit the greens were righteous assholes and if only they were more polite and better at getting their message across, we wouldn't be in this mess. Skinner the kids are wrong.gif
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 08:08 |
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Beetphyxious posted:So they can repositions and fail, but don't think about rebranding that won't work because... Do you actually believe a rebranding would accomplish anything
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 08:15 |
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rebandting sumbit post
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 08:16 |
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BBJoey posted:Do you actually believe a rebranding would accomplish anything Yeah I do.
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# ? Jul 30, 2018 08:18 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:rebandting dr spaceman, as always, gets it
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