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I've heard a bunch of people who claim they voted Green when Scott Ludlam was around but now they don't because nobody compares to him. Or something. To me, that seems to be evidence of white male privilege - they wouldn't bother listening to a lady who makes exactly the same points, and most of the Greens I see heavily involved with the party are educated women. So yeah. The greens have a problem with men, so we should put them all on a rocket into the sun (just kidding!).
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froglet posted:So yeah. Australia has a problem with men, so we should put them all on a rocket into the sun. Fixed.
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In Longman, I had quick look at the state Science Party's platform, and aside from some difference in some numbers they seemed quite similar. They only got 1% of the vote though, so either rebranding is dumb, or the rebranding needs to exclusively be done to dumb boomers and I don't think that's possible for the Greens.
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froglet posted:I've heard a bunch of people who claim they voted Green when Scott Ludlam was around but now they don't because nobody compares to him. Or something. Scott Ludlam also had a huge following from lovely techbros who loved him because he spoke up about the NBN, or hosted crypto-parties about how to dodge the governments data retention, who would then meltdown at him becoming an SJW whenever he mentioned something about sexism or whatever.
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Gentleman Baller posted:In Longman, I had quick look at the state Science Party's platform, and aside from some difference in some numbers they seemed quite similar. They only got 1% of the vote though, so either rebranding is dumb, or the rebranding needs to exclusively be done to dumb boomers and I don't think that's possible for the Greens. Science party ran in Perth too, they seemed to be the greens with more rampant capitalism.
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Mr Abbott told radio station 2GB the government needed to change policies but not leaders in response to the byelection outcomes, fuelling the discussion about how Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull should act on the message from voters. "I don’t want to change the leader, I want to change the policy. If you change the leader without the policy you’re jumping out of the frying pan into the fire," Mr Abbott said.
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https://twitter.com/KKeneally/status/1023831866904858624 https://twitter.com/KKeneally/status/1023831879688978432 https://twitter.com/KKeneally/status/1023835516511256576 This is such a weird thing
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Knorth posted:https://twitter.com/KKeneally/status/1023831866904858624 What in the actual gently caress. Election now.
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Gentleman Baller posted:In Longman, I had quick look at the state Science Party's platform, and aside from some difference in some numbers they seemed quite similar. They only got 1% of the vote though, so either rebranding is dumb, or the rebranding needs to exclusively be done to dumb boomers and I don't think that's possible for the Greens. Very Conclusive.
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GoldStandardConure posted:Scott Ludlam also had a huge following from lovely techbros who loved him because he spoke up about the NBN, or hosted crypto-parties about how to dodge the governments data retention, who would then meltdown at him becoming an SJW whenever he mentioned something about sexism or whatever. This is one of the main reasons, yes.
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Strange thing is my parents (both boomers) love Jo Vallentine. It's bizarre, apparently they voted for her back in the day.
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At first I was like: https://twitter.com/carolinemarcus/status/1023454007937757184 But then I was like: https://twitter.com/carolinemarcus/status/1019112882078810112 You lie down with dogs...
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Whitlam posted:That's not saying the Greens had no policies for the area, but they absolutely took a second place to Adani, which didn't really matter that much to a lot of people as it was ultimately a Queensland state issue in a Victorian federal by-election But there is no social justice without the environment and furthermore, the Greens are the Greens and should focus exclusively on environmental issues, because there is no economy because the Earth is going to melt due to climate change which should be our first and only pillar - Multiple actual Greens members I have met and more I have not, including (at least) one MLC Seriously, if there is a problem with the Greens branding and image is this. We have all the right policies that would be better for and improve pretty much everyone's lives, but nobody buys it because of the image of us as just tree-hugging hippies and we're not exactly fighting that image either, at least not from my experiences in NSW. This could also just be another example of NSW poo poo worst state though Aesculus fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Jul 30, 2018 |
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Aesculus posted:the Earth is going to melt due to climate change hosed up if true
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Environmental protection and conservation policy is important imo
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The green loving triangle is atrocious too. It's embarassing. Keep the environmental policies , keep all the same policies, just come out and call yourselves something different like new greens and differentiate yourself from the chained to trees hippies past that 9 out of 10 voters from the last two federal elections don't actually identify with nor want anywhere near a seat in power. It's not that hard. Or You can keep carrying on like your favourite footy team wants to change it's guernsey.
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Aesculus posted:
It's this. 100 times this
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Knorth posted:Environmental protection and conservation policy is important imo No one said ditch it, just the legacy bullshit image that has no place in current politics
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Aesculus posted:But there is no social justice without the environment and furthermore, the Greens are the Greens and should focus exclusively on environmental issues, because there is no economy because the Earth is going to melt due to climate change which should be our first and only pillar Yeah, locking up refugees on Manus island is appealing to your average racist dickhead, but they freak out when you point out how much money is being spent. Oh they also think we're "economic vandals", but don't seem to realise a.) There's no jobs on a dead planet and b.) Everything we've recommended is good from a "jobs and growth" perspective (not that we really think endless growth can work on a finite planet, but eh have to make it palatable to the average person I guess).
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froglet posted:Yeah, locking up refugees on Manus island is appealing to your average racist dickhead, but they freak out when you point out how much money is being spent. 'There are no jobs on a dead planet' might not be a halfway bad slogan. I think the Greens need to realise, much as American leftists have, that you can't win the game of respectability politics against the establishment. You can try to shed the crazies all you want, the media will scour the country to find someone that fits their narrative. You need to bypass the middlemen.
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I cbf finding the study but it was presenting individual issues independently to people and it showed that australians are generally environmentally conscious and socially progressive.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:'There are no jobs on a dead planet' might not be a halfway bad slogan. Its the slogan NZ Greens used for a while, don't know if they still do.
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Box of Bunnies posted:Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communist Party Id vote
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:At first I was like:
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Beetphyxious posted:I cbf finding the study but it was presenting individual issues independently to people and it showed that australians are generally environmentally conscious and socially progressive. Both major parties have been very careful about discrediting and demonising any actual political expression of that.
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Ipswich will become the dumping ground for Brisbane's landfill within the next five years, in a radical plan to help solve the city's growing waste problem.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Both major parties have been very careful about discrediting and demonising any actual political expression of that. Anidavs News corp more so, but yes people feel embarassed identifying as a greens voter because of this.
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Knorth posted:Environmental protection and conservation policy is important imo I agree entirely. I also think that education, social welfare, housing, healthcare, and so on are important things too, and excluding those things from as main campaign plans is a terrible idea. Case in point: GoldStandardConure posted:Its the slogan NZ Greens used for a while, don't know if they still do. Didn't the NZ greens fall flat last election after having a pretty respectable surge off of strong social welfare and anti-racism advocacy but dump that immediately to go back to lifeless centrism? Aesculus fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Jul 30, 2018 |
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Ipswich will become the dumping ground for Brisbane's landfill within the next five years, in a radical plan to help solve the city's growing waste problem. Lmao why does Ipswich keep taking our poo poo?
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People lol at the greens because they are too forward with the no nukes and environment++ policies. Australia will never have nukes as weapons or power so it's a dumb talking point and the environmental poo poo can be done in the background because literally nobody notices (see: All the anti-environment poo poo that happens all the time with zero interference) Lead with policies that the people will notice and actually vote for like better healthcare, better welfare and better working conditions. And yeah rebrand.
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There are already loads of people, Greens and non-Greens, who consider us Tree Tories and say RDN is too much of a centrist. I could see a re-branding cost more voters than it would gain. Not like NewsCorp would let up on the relentless parade of lies that has done more to denigrate the Greens' reputation than anything else.
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Box of Bunnies posted:Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communist Party Zenithe posted:The Reds i think we're onto something here
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Speaking of rebranding, have SALT done this recently?
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Zenithe posted:Speaking of rebranding, have SALT done this recently? Pretty sure they all banded together to form Victorian Socialists to gauge its success and maybe launch Australian Socialists
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