Pokemon Reborn: It's Dork and Edgy

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Serperoth: Feb 21, 2013

Ephraim225 posted:

So I don't know if this has been asked or not but...are there any decent full-length fangames? Like, at all? All I can think of is Adventure Red (it follows the manga storyline, but even this one has problems). EDIT: On second thought, I did like Quartz from a "so bad it's good" angle.

Altered Emerald is pretty drat great tbh.

Soup du Jour posted:

Twitch Plays Pokemon Anniversary Crystal. They hacked gen 6 mechanics into gen 2, and made a whole new storyline and level curve for Crystal.

Phys/Spe split and all that? Seems definitely interesting.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 19:57

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# ? Jun 12, 2024 22:01

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If you count overhauls of a different kind, there's the difficulty hacks (BlazeBlack, et al.), and they're better than most because instead of just beating you over the head, they give you an absurd variety of available mons, and even buff the weak ones. (My favorite is still Fighting/Flying Farfetch'd with 110 Base Attack and Sacred Sword.)

# ? Jul 30, 2018 20:08

Leraika: Jun 14, 2015; Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.

EclecticTastes posted:

It's alright, thinking about Pokemon and its competitors led me to finishing up Digimon Tri and now I'm writing up some homebrew rules for Digimon as a tabletop RPG with plans to run a campaign of it in The Game Room once I'm done so we're all having terrible ideas thanks (indirectly) to Reborn.

There actually is a serviceable Digimon tabletop game already, found here: http://digimon-digital-adventures.tumblr.com/

# ? Jul 30, 2018 20:49

KataraniSword: Apr 22, 2008; but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

Ephraim225 posted:

So I don't know if this has been asked or not but...are there any decent full-length fangames? Like, at all? All I can think of is Adventure Red (it follows the manga storyline, but even this one has problems). EDIT: On second thought, I did like Quartz from a "so bad it's good" angle.

Most of them are Touhou fangames with Pokemon trappings, or Pokemon romhacks that insert Touhous into them instead of pokemon.

The rest have generally been mentioned here.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 21:50

AweStriker: Oct 6, 2014

There was that romhack Crystal Clear I heard about recently that somehow put level-scaling gyms and some open-world elements into Gen II.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 22:22

Super Jay Mann: Nov 6, 2008

We're doing this to avoid one rock. Let's Play Pokemon Reborn!

# ? Jul 30, 2018 22:58

EclecticTastes: Sep 17, 2012; "Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped."

Leraika posted:

There actually is a serviceable Digimon tabletop game already, found here: http://digimon-digital-adventures.tumblr.com/

After a perusal of their PDF handbook, I can conclusively say no there most certainly is not. :stonk:

What there is is overcomplicated, vastly overdesigned gibberish. Like, I knew going in that my stuff was going to be a lot simpler than any more organized fanwork*, but I figured I might be able to crib a decent idea or two from what they've got, and there is literally nothing I could use from their mechanics. I mean, thank you for the helpful sentiment and all, the thought is appreciated, but I think I'll continue writing my own Digimon RPG rules.

*Fanmade RPGs for anime/video games are almost always overcomplicated because the fans don't realize you don't need hard rules for every single detail of every single thing that happened or could have happened in the source material.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 22:59

Silver Falcon: Dec 5, 2005; Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

Black Robe posted:

Yeah, but he's also probably the only rival who actually felt like another kid. He loves Pokemon, he wants to go everywhere and see everything and be a part of this crazy world. Kind of like Hau in Gen 7, except Hau fails as a rival because he's just out for a walk and isn't really trying to do anything much for a lot of the game. Barry also feels like you genuinely grew up with him, rather than you being told that no really this blank cipher of a person is your friend honestly.

Compare with the endless 'I must get stronger, I hate the weak and also don't really understand emotions' of almost every other (male) rival ever. Or the whiny uselessness of May and Bianca, and Dawn to some extent.

Barry's a spaz, but there's something real about him that I kind of like.

It helps that he actually uses something resembling strategy in a lot of his fights once you're past the earlygame. He's still no challenge but you do have to slightly pay attention instead of just steamrolling him. And he beats you to most if not all the gyms so there's some element of actual competition, which is weirdly rare throughout the series - it's really only him, Gary and Wally who are actual rivals instead of random people who jump out at you and demand battles every so often until they give up.

I will fight you on Hau. Hau is a good boy and just wants to eat some malasadas, OK? He does find his purpose as you go through the story, so he's not just along for the ride.

Bianca is cute and she realizes her goal is not to be the best, and that's OK.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 23:06

Leraika: Jun 14, 2015; Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.

EclecticTastes posted:

After a perusal of their PDF handbook, I can conclusively say no there most certainly is not.

What there is is overcomplicated, vastly overdesigned gibberish. Like, I knew going in that my stuff was going to be a lot simpler than any more organized fanwork*, but I figured I might be able to crib a decent idea or two from what they've got, and there is literally nothing I could use from their mechanics. I mean, thank you for the helpful sentiment and all, the thought is appreciated, but I think I'll continue writing my own Digimon RPG rules.

*Fanmade RPGs for anime/video games are almost always overcomplicated because the fans don't realize you don't need hard rules for every single detail of every single thing that happened or could have happened in the source material.

No problem! Didn't want to have you reinvent the wheel if I could point you at another wheel that worked just as well, or something, this metaphor is getting away from me.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 23:16

EclecticTastes: Sep 17, 2012; "Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped."

Leraika posted:

No problem! Didn't want to have you reinvent the wheel if I could point you at another wheel that worked just as well, or something, this metaphor is getting away from me.

Don't sweat it, there have been times when I've been working on throwing rules together and that exact situation happened, where somebody else had written a game that was pretty much exactly what I was in the process of writing, or better. This instance would be more the exception than the rule.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 23:24

F14m3rz: Jul 23, 2018; I've obsessed over Pokemon Reborn so much, I have a color-coded 5,999-word document filled with quotes, pieces of lore, and my own findings of the game so far up to the end of E17.

I would say that the best hack I've played would be Pokemon FireRed: Rocket Edition. You get to steal Pokemon, there's a morality system that determines some of the stuff you get, and there's a subplot that ties into what was actually going on behind the scenes. It's not finished yet, but I highly recommend it.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 23:27

Lotus Aura: Aug 16, 2009; KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!

PoptartsNinja posted:

One of the biggest mistakes in a fan game especially is not making the player character the star of the show. That doesn't mean the player needs to be some all-powerful, invincible, driving force that never suffers setbacks and has to be hip-deep in every bit of plot development (that's also a mistake); but when the player is just there to witness Important NPCs Do Important Things then the player is more likely to check out or even develop outright animosity towards the character or characters who steal the spotlight.

It's kinda messed up that for all of its many flaws, this was something that Uranium managed to more or less get right. Or, at least, more right. Something about broken clocks, really.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 23:41

GirlCalledBob: Jul 17, 2013

Dragonatrix posted:

It's kinda messed up that for all of its many flaws, this was something that Uranium managed to more or less get right. Or, at least, more right. Something about broken clocks, really.

It's amazing how much better Uranium looks when you compare it to Reborn.

Not good.

But better.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 00:26

Orange Fluffy Sheep: Jul 26, 2008; Bad EXP received

Tuxedo Ted posted:

https://zippy.gfycat.com/CrazyTatteredBlackfish.webm

I am in love with this effect, I can't get enough of it, did any other silent movies play with the intertitles like this?

# ? Jul 31, 2018 01:16

Saladin Rising: Nov 12, 2016; When there is no real hope we must
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F14m3rz posted:

I would say that the best hack I've played would be Pokemon FireRed: Rocket Edition. You get to steal Pokemon, there's a morality system that determines some of the stuff you get, and there's a subplot that ties into what was actually going on behind the scenes. It's not finished yet, but I highly recommend it.

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Overall improved interface and gameplay. Run � inside or outside � from the very start of the game, or use the HM for Fly at your leisure from the moment you step outside. Encounter rates in caves and in water have been significantly reduced, and the player faces every challenged Trainer before battle.

Oh hey this hack has little quality-of-life things that most hacks (and even a couple of the official games) seem to despise with a burning passion.

Whereas in Reborn we've spent what, 2 or 3 updates trying to get around a single goddamn rock?

# ? Jul 31, 2018 03:37

Azza Bamboo: Apr 7, 2018; THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

You can't stop the rock

# ? Jul 31, 2018 05:29

RyuHimora: Feb 22, 2009

EclecticTastes posted:

It's alright, thinking about Pokemon and its competitors led me to finishing up Digimon Tri and now I'm writing up some homebrew rules for Digimon as a tabletop RPG with plans to run a campaign of it in The Game Room once I'm done so we're all having terrible ideas thanks (indirectly) to Reborn.

I'd play it.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 06:56

Elric: Mar 31, 2011

Raven clearly died in the train explosion, and this is just her version of hell.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 07:47

Tuxedo Ted: Apr 24, 2007

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

I am in love with this effect, I can't get enough of it, did any other silent movies play with the intertitles like this?

Not very often. Metropolis was truly one of a kind.

I'm hardly an expert, though.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 08:33

Ometeotl: Feb 13, 2012; It's MISSEL! Or SISSLE!
I confused myself...

KataraniSword posted:

Most of them are Touhou fangames with Pokemon trappings, or Pokemon romhacks that insert Touhous into them instead of pokemon.

The rest have generally been mentioned here.

He said decent, not "unmitigated garbage"

# ? Jul 31, 2018 16:55

Onmi: Jul 12, 2013; If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

Unfortunately I think Mechamon was never finished

# ? Jul 31, 2018 16:58

McDragon: Sep 11, 2007

Super Jay Mann posted:

We're doing this to avoid one rock. Let's Play Pokemon Reborn!

I bet the rock is just going to get up and be a geodude or something, and it will just peace out. But like an edgy geodude, made out of gravestones or something

e: no, wait, a geodude that is also a rock of drugs

e2: wait, no, a geodude made of crystal meth

# ? Jul 31, 2018 17:17

Kurieg: Jul 19, 2012; RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20

An alolan Golem except his railguns are tombstones and his beard is made of bones.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 17:23

Azza Bamboo: Apr 7, 2018; THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

A cute pikachu but instead of shooting lightning it shoots itself in the head.

Wait what are we talking about?

# ? Jul 31, 2018 18:17

ChrisBTY: Mar 29, 2012; this glorious monument

Kurieg posted:

An alolan Golem except his railguns are tombstones and his beard is made of bones.

That is far too cool to be in Reborn.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 18:24

Sorites: Sep 10, 2012

Saladin Rising posted:

Oh hey this hack has little quality-of-life things that most hacks (and even a couple of the official games) seem to despise with a burning passion.

Whereas in Reborn we've spent what, 2 or 3 updates trying to get around a single goddamn rock?

What does it mean by 'facing' every challenged trainer before battle?

# ? Jul 31, 2018 18:46

EclecticTastes: Sep 17, 2012; "Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped."

RyuHimora posted:

I'd play it.

Well now you can.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 18:50

Asehujiko: Apr 6, 2011

EclecticTastes posted:

Well now you can.

What kind of character do I need to make to get Mawuh assigned as my Digimon?

# ? Jul 31, 2018 19:04

EclecticTastes: Sep 17, 2012; "Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped."

Asehujiko posted:

What kind of character do I need to make to get Mawuh assigned as my Digimon?

I had to remove Rum Power for being entirely too powerful, sorry. Gotta keep the other players in mind, y'know?

# ? Jul 31, 2018 19:07

serefin99: Apr 15, 2016; Mikoooon~
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Sorites posted:

What does it mean by 'facing' every challenged trainer before battle?

I think it means your characters turns to face the other trainer.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 19:21

WrightOfWay: Jul 24, 2010

Onmi posted:

Unfortunately I think Mechamon was never finished

It really bothers me that there isn't a backsprite for Mazinger Z but I guess that would require more effort than just ripping the sprites from SRWA.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 19:29

EclecticTastes: Sep 17, 2012; "Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped."

WrightOfWay posted:

It really bothers me that there isn't a backsprite for Mazinger Z but I guess that would require more effort than just ripping the sprites from SRWA.

I think if they'd gone with J, there might be better sprites for the backs, though, if they wanted to put in that much effort, they may as well just use Pokemon Essentials and sprites from one of the console titles.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 19:35

Iamgoofball: Jul 1, 2015

Hey, I just noticed the front of the train has that stupid gemstone layout from the room the Big Bad showed us.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 21:17

megane: Jun 20, 2008

Yes, that's the Reborn League symbol. It was on the big starter-choosing place too.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 21:22

Azza Bamboo: Apr 7, 2018; THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

Iamgoofball posted:

Hey, I just noticed the front of the train has that stupid gemstone layout from the room the Big Bad showed us.

It's to symbolise that the plot is a train wreck.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 21:22

PoptartsNinja: May 9, 2008; He is still almost definitely not a spy; Soiled Meat

Iamgoofball posted:

Hey, I just noticed the front of the train has that stupid gemstone layout from the room the Big Bad showed us.

I just noticed how loving terrible that train sprite is. The front of the train is coming straight towards the camera and obscuring the point where the smokestack meets the engine, while the rest of the train is at an isometric angle.

Also they missed an opportunity to paint an electric train to look like a Pikachu-chu and instead used a steam engine from the 1800s. :v:

# ? Jul 31, 2018 22:00

Azza Bamboo: Apr 7, 2018; THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

The train is popping a sick wheelie

# ? Jul 31, 2018 22:24

Geemer: Nov 4, 2010

Azza Bamboo posted:

A cute pikachu but instead of shooting lightning it shoots itself in the head.

Summoning its Persona?

# ? Jul 31, 2018 23:27

EclecticTastes: Sep 17, 2012; "Most plans are critically flawed by their own logic. A failure at any step will ruin everything after it. That's just basic cause and effect. It's easy for a good plan to fall apart. Therefore, a plan that has no attachment to logic cannot be stopped."

Geemer posted:

Summoning its Persona?

Okay, now I want to see a fangame where it's Pokemon, except your Pokemon can obtain Personas. And those Persona all have Digimon. And those Digimon are licensed Monster Ranchers. And their monsters find and befriend Yokai. Just 'mon games all the way down.

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# ? Jun 12, 2024 22:01

Sorites: Sep 10, 2012

EclecticTastes posted:

Okay, now I want to see a fangame where it's Pokemon, except your Pokemon can obtain Personas. And those Persona all have Digimon. And those Digimon are licensed Monster Ranchers. And their monsters find and befriend Yokai. Just 'mon games all the way down.

Like when Neopets came out with Petpetpets.

# ? Aug 1, 2018 01:19

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