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I am not impressed with these tactical realistic military themed FPS games and will not be impressed until we get to choose the rigging and how much your player character can exploit/get away not wearing it. Fun fact, apparently part of the personal kit carried by your average French Napoleonic soldier was a tiny hook tool used for twisting the buttons for their gaiters/splatterdashes.
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Didn't they push west a lot of Poles and Slovaks and stuff too? I mean, a lot of the borders got pushed west. Yes, but that was not part of any specific agreement between powers. The border changes were (to an extent), but mass relocations and deportations were just the Soviets deciding that's what they're going to do. Some people got moved West, some got deported East. Some were essentially kidnapped. It was a very criminal mess.
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Tevery Best posted:Yes, but that was not part of any specific agreement between powers. The border changes were (to an extent), but mass relocations and deportations were just the Soviets deciding that's what they're going to do. Some people got moved West, some got deported East. Some were essentially kidnapped. It was a very criminal mess. Yeah, I was talking about the relocation of people in general, not just Germans. That would be awful, to manage to keep your house and belongings (and life) through 4 years of Nazi occupation only to have the Soviets come in and say "This is Poland now, you have to leave. Get out"
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Yeah, I was talking about the relocation of people in general, not just Germans. I was talking about non-Germans specifically. Germans were deported more or less legally, as the Potsdam Agreement makes provisions for that, but millions of Poles, Ukrainians, and others throughout the new Eastern Block were deported by the Soviets following the border changes. Many did not go to their new respective countries, but rather to Siberia. Several thousand Silesians of various nationalities were taken as reparations and forced to work in the Donbass mines for years. Another several thousands of people were later deported or resettled by the newly-formed Communist governments, see, for example, Operation Vistula, where 141 000 Ukrainians from Southeastern Poland were resettled throughout the western and northern parts of the country in order to quell the UPA insurgency. Tevery Best fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jul 30, 2018 |
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Jul 30, 2018 18:36
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SeanBeansShako posted:I am not impressed with these tactical realistic military themed FPS games and will not be impressed until we get to choose the rigging and how much your player character can exploit/get away not wearing it. That big 1.13 mod for Jagged Alliance 2, no joke, lets you customize your soldiers' chest rigs, backpacks, canteens, etc as part of its ridiculously spergy equipment customization.
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Jul 30, 2018 18:37
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Yeah, I was talking about the relocation of people in general, not just Germans. The end of WW2 in eastern Europe was a mess, like how the anti-Soviet partisans kept up resistance for a whole decade.
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Jul 30, 2018 18:41
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Nenonen posted:The end of WW2 in eastern Europe was a mess, like how the anti-Soviet partisans kept up resistance for a whole decade. Most organised fighting was more or less done by 1947, but AFAIR the last anti-Soviet insurgent in Eastern Europe (definitely in Poland) was hunted down and shot in 1963.
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Looking at all that crap wrapped around somebody makes me wonder how little one's profile actually would change going from standing to prone. You're plopped on top of a bunch of crap.Geisladisk posted:gently caress that. That sounds like an absolute goddamn nightmare for both the defender and the attacker.
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Jul 30, 2018 18:50
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Tevery Best posted:Most organised fighting was more or less done by 1947, but AFAIR the last anti-Soviet insurgent in Eastern Europe (definitely in Poland) was hunted down and shot in 1963. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Sabbe
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:What's wrong with it (I have not served in the military)? I was a soldier for a whopping nine months so I was probably doing everything wrong, and served in a peacetime pre-9/11 military that very much seemed like it was just going through the motions, so I probably did not get some unknown-to-me vital equipment that would have made the thing actually practical, but it constantly came apart bc you had to do adjustments with a literal thread and needle (18yold German dudes are not naturally talented tailors), it just barely fit all the poo poo, it just barely kept all the poo poo actually hanging on to it as you went a-tinkling and a-clonking along like a peddler's mule, the mag pouches in the only position available for them (cf barely fit all the poo poo) embedded themselves in your groin when you went prone and were a pain to access like that and for all that you'd end up with a whopping 4x20rds of 7.62x51 for your full-auto-capable smokewagon. The whole effort seemed quarter-assed and a waste of everyone involved's time.
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I do have a side question about ww1 refugees. Imagine you live in a Farmhouse near the Verdun fortress, or in a beach-house at Gallipoli or somewhere else a front stops for a long time. The remains of your house are now part of a trench system. Your government (or the government the interned you just now) keeps telling you that the front will move forward away from your house "any day now". Where there any interesting stories or official policies for people in those situations?
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darthbob88 posted:For HEY GUNS's amusement. 
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chitoryu12 posted:Russian manufacturers like SPOSN still make them too. This is a SPOSN Smersh setup for a PKM: I noticed in some other pictures it also had four flares attached to it, the same as the rig from Afghanistan. What's with all the flares.
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Jul 30, 2018 19:19
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tonberrytoby posted:I do have a side question about ww1 refugees. I do recall an interesting story about a bunch of French farmers interned by the Germans. Their land had been reclaimed by France during 1914-15, but they had not been. They sat around in internment camps until 1917 or so, when the Germans reached a deal to repatriate them through Switzerland. Not wanting to use resources to transport them, they had to walk all the way from Northern Germany to Switzerland, and then back up to their ruined farms in Northern France. They got there just in time to be recaptured during the Spring offensive, where they were interned in Germany for the rest of the war.
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The city walls weren't exactly "decrepit", they were in fact one of the most modern fortifications of that time. The problems involved in this was the expenses and effort of installing all the wooden add-ons those fortifications needed to be of use. This work had to be done in advance if the city was under threat of siege, since they were a pain in the rear end during peace time and would just rot away anyway if just being left up. But even if there were teething troubles, Vienna solved that problem just before Kara Mustafa showed up and the fortifications were at basically full power. And no word about the counter-sappers? Or Mustafa leaving the Vienna Woods completely uncovered, which allowed Polish and Imperial infantry to just walk through unopposed, what lead to the loss of important heights and artillery? Shameful.
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Jul 30, 2018 19:28
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Hunterhr posted:I noticed in some other pictures it also had four flares attached to it, the same as the rig from Afghanistan. What's with all the flares. Flares seem like they'd be super useful for signalling air support and identifying groups of soldiers as friend or foe.
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Libluini posted:The city walls weren't exactly "decrepit", they were in fact one of the most modern fortifications of that time. The problems involved in this was the expenses and effort of installing all the wooden add-ons those fortifications needed to be of use. This work had to be done in advance if the city was under threat of siege, since they were a pain in the rear end during peace time and would just rot away anyway if just being left up. Don't learn your history from memes, you say?
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Tevery Best posted:I was talking about non-Germans specifically. Germans were deported more or less legally, as the Potsdam Agreement makes provisions for that, but millions of Poles, Ukrainians, and others throughout the new Eastern Block were deported by the Soviets following the border changes the deportation of the Germans was legal, and was certainly understandable, but that doesn't make it any less a tragedy. I'm not talking here about the German settlers who came in after the Nazis took over, of course, but there were German populations in Bohemia from the 11th century, and Transylvania and Poland from the 12th. These were established communities with their own history and culture who got wiped out.
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Libluini posted:The city walls weren't exactly "decrepit", they were in fact one of the most modern fortifications of that time. The problems involved in this was the expenses and effort of installing all the wooden add-ons those fortifications needed to be of use. This work had to be done in advance if the city was under threat of siege, since they were a pain in the rear end during peace time and would just rot away anyway if just being left up. What sort of things would those wooden add-ons be, out of curiosity?
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Flares seem like they'd be super useful for signalling air support and identifying groups of soldiers as friend or foe. My father loaded his .45 with tracers in Vietnam for exactly that reason. He was the radioman, so he'd be talking to the air support, say "I want that patch of jungle over there removed," and fire off a couple of tracers in the direction of where he wanted the gunships to shoot. He used the pistol because the big, slow .45 bullet was easier for the pilots to see than a rifle bullet which was tiny and moving 3x as fast. And also because he used the rifle in stuations where he would prefer not to have a line pointing back to him (e.g. any situation in which you're using a rifle, tracers work both ways.) Flares are more for "kill everything except the guy holding the flare" and "come pick us up" whichbare pretty useful, but the pistol with tracers can fill those roles as well as giving a vector to focus the fire when the gunships roll in. Edit: also, speaking of gunships, Dad preferred the A-1 Skyraider and AC-130. Jets made one pass and left, helicopters were more precise but also had no loiter time, a Spooky or Spad could hang around for hours. Of course, if things got real bad, he could call in an Arc Light (3 B-52s), and turn a square mile of jungle into something that made 1916 Verdun look like a nice place to live. He's really proud of the three Arc Lights he called. Four-star generals had to jump through hoops to get one; Dad, a lowly E-5 sergeant, could get one with a single radio call (usually also involving the words "danger close", it's not like he was wasting taxpayer money for fun.) Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jul 30, 2018 |
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Kassad posted:What sort of things would those wooden add-ons be, out of curiosity? All sorts of fences, stakes and obstacles. It's a pity, it would be wonderful to see the defences as they were intended but the wooden parts would be high maintenance and really in the way, and dangerous as well.
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Epicurius posted:the deportation of the Germans was legal, and was certainly understandable, but that doesn't make it any less a tragedy. I'm not talking here about the German settlers who came in after the Nazis took over, of course, but there were German populations in Bohemia from the 11th century, and Transylvania and Poland from the 12th. These were established communities with their own history and culture who got wiped out. Absolutely so and you are very much right.
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Chillbro Baggins posted:My father loaded his .45 with tracers in Vietnam for exactly that reason. He was the radioman, so he'd be talking to the air support, say "I want that patch of jungle over there removed," and fire off a couple of tracers in the direction of where he wanted the gunships to shoot. He used the pistol because the big, slow .45 bullet was easier for the pilots to see than a rifle bullet which was tiny and moving 3x as fast. And also because he used the rifle in stuations where he would prefer not to have a line pointing back to him (e.g. any situation in which you're using a rifle, tracers work both ways.) Tracers are interesting that way, the British had a ton of trouble with tracers for 17-pounder APDS because of its absurd muzzle velocity. You could only spot the tracer when firing out to 1600 yards, at which distance you couldn't hit anything at all.
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Chillbro Baggins posted:He's really proud of the three Arc Lights he called. Four-star generals had to jump through hoops to get one; Dad, a lowly E-5 sergeant, could get one with a single radio call (usually also involving the words "danger close", it's not like he was wasting taxpayer money for fun.) Isn't "danger close" for a cell of 3 B-52s dropping unguided bombs from the stratosphere something like "within Vietnam"?
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Sorry for another videogame video but I wonder if the thread has any experience: Which of these two are more accurate in terms of the sounds of the weapons? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ubvOiCarw
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A lot of the time it included small parts of Laos and Cambodia, too!  Seriusly though, it's like half a mile wide and two miles long. By 1970 they'd done the math and gotten it pretty predictable about where unguided gravity bombs would land. Although you always wanted them to come in perpendicular to you instead of toward/over you, because if they're off, it's going to be fore-and-aft, they don't stray much sideways. Edit: Fangz posted:Sorry for another videogame video but I wonder if the thread has any experience: This is the best gunfire ever put to film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL9fnVtz_lc&t=258s The Foley artists tried their best, but they ended up going with the actual audio because the director's a gun guy and wanted it to sound real. Note how they're screaming the commands/callouts when on foot -- lighting off a rifle in a closed car is instant mostly-deafness for days at best. Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Jul 31, 2018 |
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The Battlefield 5 sounds are actually closest to how the guns sound indoors with earmuffs. They have a lot of bass to them, even small guns like .38 revolvers.
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Chillbro Baggins posted:Neither, real gunfire is too loud to make out any of the mechanical noises. I'll also point out that there's a difference between the sound you get when you shoot a weapon and when you hear it being shot. For example, when you shoot an M-16 your eye is right behind the sight and your ear is right over the stock. When you shoot you can distinctly hear the "clang" (I don't know how to describe that better) of the buffer (recoil) spring. When you hear someone else shooting the rifle you don't hear this. Tank weapons are similar; the sound is different inside the turret/wearing a CVC helmet than it is when you hear the tank next to yours shoot. One other thing that video games never get right (and I can't recall a movie getting this right either) - the delay between when you see the impact and when the sound hits. Think of when you watch a firework show; there's a delay between you see it and when you hear it.
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WW2 Data USA AN Bombs - Part 1 is up. What are the distinguishing markings for the AN series of bombs? Why was a third suspension lug added to the bombs? What do you "gently hacksaw" to prepare a bomb for a torpedo sling? What change made the G.P. and S.A.P. bombs safer to handle? What device was used for low-flying drops? All that and more at the blog!
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Cessna posted:One other thing that video games never get right (and I can't recall a movie getting this right either) - the delay between when you see the impact and when the sound hits. Think of when you watch a firework show; there's a delay between you see it and when you hear it. I know at least a couple of games that model the speed of sound (Arma, Combat Mission). The original Red dawn also has a scene where the sound of a distant explosion comes with a delay.
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Fangz posted:Sorry for another videogame video but I wonder if the thread has any experience: It's probably safe to say that the Battlefield game will have better accuracy, if they stick to the process they've used on their previous games: https://vimeo.com/20869893
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Some unmarked winter war, or maybe continuation war ruins on an island in Lake Ladoga. Anyone know what these could be, or about the war on Lake Ladoga in general? The center of the 3 store building had a big aerial/naval bomb hole. I would've done some amateur archeology/ gone in the building but didn't want to disturb any ordinance/remains considering the place was not curated at all.  It was inside an area that had a gate with a Finnish crest on it, so it must've been a Finnish barracks of some sort, id guess. cliche foto for effect 
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Fangz posted:Sorry for another videogame video but I wonder if the thread has any experience: All of the Call of Duty sounds like I am 50 yards to the side, and processed to sound better. Battlefield sounds like the guns were recorded right next to the mic, if the mic reflected the user wearing ear protection. Although I could only really speak for the Kar98k. Kinda wish they'd shot an svt-40 and I didnt check to see if theyd shot any pistols.
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Does Battlefield still have the Wartapes audio option? That was the poo poo in Bad Company 2. Related to 'best gun sounds'- H3VR and its dynamic sound system is probably the best we can get. Heres a Kar98k- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFDuaCp389I&t=7m20s
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On noise, how is the hearing of frontline soldiers? I imagine that having your ear within a foot or two of multiple explosions doesn't do you any good and that hearing protection isn't really an option.
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Tevery Best posted:I was talking about non-Germans specifically. Germans were deported more or less legally, as the Potsdam Agreement makes provisions for that, but millions of Poles, Ukrainians, and others throughout the new Eastern Block were deported by the Soviets following the border changes. Many did not go to their new respective countries, but rather to Siberia. Several thousand Silesians of various nationalities were taken as reparations and forced to work in the Donbass mines for years. Another several thousands of people were later deported or resettled by the newly-formed Communist governments, see, for example, Operation Vistula, where 141 000 Ukrainians from Southeastern Poland were resettled throughout the western and northern parts of the country in order to quell the UPA insurgency. The Soviets started exiling Lithuanians to Siberian gulags right after occupying the country after the fall of Poland.
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HorrificExistence posted:Some unmarked winter war, or maybe continuation war ruins on an island in Lake Ladoga. Anyone know what these could be, or about the war on Lake Ladoga in general? The center of the 3 store building had a big aerial/naval bomb hole. I would've done some amateur archeology/ gone in the building but didn't want to disturb any ordinance/remains considering the place was not curated at all. It helps if you can name the island. There were coastal batteries in some parts but I can't tell anything from that photograph. Could be a moose stable.
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ilmucche posted:On noise, how is the hearing of frontline soldiers? I imagine that having your ear within a foot or two of multiple explosions doesn't do you any good and that hearing protection isn't really an option. Hearing protection is worn nowadays to varying degrees by most countries. Most NATO countries that I know of have fairly decent hearing conservation programs. Active hearing protection muffs and buds are getting better and better, but back in the day, there weren't many options available to really anyone, far less soldiers fighting a world war. Hearing protection, or damage, was not as well understood, either. You can sometimes even see blood from the ear in old photographs from action due to ruptured ear drums. Hearing protection and vision protection are two things that have become extremely important to combat due to their often easily preventable nature by cheap choices. Wearing the issued ESS ICE glasses that I swear every goddamn country gives out, you can save your eyes from most damage in blasts where skin elsewhere gets torn off.  Here is a brit wearing Invisios new active ear buds.    
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