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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:This is some deep dish pizzagate all right. "Walnut sauce" is adrenochrome, the elite superdrug created through child rape torture, I think this was, sans the child abuse angle, a Judge Dredd plotline.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:So what happened here? I haven't seen anything about this. The question wasn’t specifically about Q, it was about extremist groups (using Q as an example) causing / encouraging violence and what the prez thinks about it. Which was of course with a canned “we don’t support them, next question” response.
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Aug 1, 2018 20:36
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Friends Are Evil posted:Yeah, of course it loops back into Pizzagate. I think if you're being sincere about Q accepting pizzagate is an absolute minimum barrier of entry.
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Aug 1, 2018 20:41
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So what are all the qultists going to do when Trump stops being president and literally none of the poo poo they've been blueballed over actually happens? Are they going to finally realize they've been duped this whole time or are we going to see several more years of nonsense published by these people that imply Shadow King Trump is still secretly ruling America and anything good that happens is thanks to him?
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Aug 1, 2018 21:18
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Kit Walker posted:So what are all the qultists going to do when Trump stops being president and literally none of the poo poo they've been blueballed over actually happens? Are they going to finally realize they've been duped this whole time or are we going to see several more years of nonsense published by these people that imply Shadow King Trump is still secretly ruling America and anything good that happens is thanks to him? most will forget about it and move on to the next cult idea or prediction. remember jade helm? they're not trying to come up with a cohesive theory of the world, they're trying to grab on to reasons for why they are so god drat confused and angry all of the time
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Aug 1, 2018 21:19
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If they weren’t such assholes I’d feel bad for them, it really must be a sad, miserable existence.
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Aug 1, 2018 21:32
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They're going from undying loyalty to Trump to undying loyalty to Q. Q will outlast Trump's term(s) and if the guy stops posting, someone else will take up the mantle.
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Aug 1, 2018 21:40
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Where did they ever get the idea that there are secret code words and secret symbols that represent pedophilia, cannibalism, etc.?
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Aug 1, 2018 21:45
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Smeep posted:Where did they ever get the idea that there are secret code words and secret symbols that represent pedophilia, cannibalism, etc.? IIRC it was literally code words they invented and used on whatever chan they're on by now that they then saw in the leaked e-mails.
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Aug 1, 2018 21:46
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Zanzibar Ham posted:IIRC it was literally code words they invented and used on whatever chan they're on by now that they then saw in the leaked e-mails. Or maybe someone on the chans went through the emails and worked backwards, trying to link words?
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Aug 1, 2018 21:48
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:The Q posts have been scrubbed off 8chan and most of the archive sites, but one of them got lazy, so here they are, rescued out of the memory hole - All of this hurts my brain. I can't understand any of this stupid rabbithole, but I am fascinated by it.
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Aug 1, 2018 21:49
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Smeep posted:Where did they ever get the idea that there are secret code words and secret symbols that represent pedophilia, cannibalism, etc.? Wikileaks leaked highly-anticipated emails from Podesta which turned out to be mostly incredibly boring. Chuds were disappointed so they had to find a way to weaponize them politically anyway and they did this by saying that when Podesta talks about eating pizza, he's actually talking about rape. Chuds have to believe these people are comic-book evil in private, not people who share recipes and make food for their children. The official Wikileaks account encouraged this kind of speculation.
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Aug 1, 2018 21:49
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By "code words" I mean stuff like 'pizza with no toppings' and other crap people say all the time.
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Aug 1, 2018 21:49
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Smeep posted:Where did they ever get the idea that there are secret code words and secret symbols that represent pedophilia, cannibalism, etc.? free association aka schizophrenia and faux schizophrenia as learned through immersion in conspiracy videos made by schizophrenics. you can learn to babble nonsense pretty well from youtube videos they focus on pedophilia, cannibalism because when your theory is unhinged and unmoored from reality then you have incentive to ramp it up to make your conspiracy about the worst possible people you can think of. nobody gets their jollies uncovering a vast conspiracy of tax cheats or people who habitually park their cars across two parking spots. child rape is about the most horrible thing people can feasibly think to accuse each other of in the modern era, if satanism wasn't such a laughable and outmoded accusation you'd see more of that too
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Aug 1, 2018 21:50
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the question asked to ShS about QAnon: https://heavy.com/news/2018/08/sarah-sanders-qanon-question-answer-video/Heavy posted:"Does the President encourage the support of people who showed up last night in these QAnon and Blacks for Trump fringe groups.”
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Zanzibar Ham posted:By "code words" I mean stuff like 'pizza with no toppings' and other crap people say all the time. You mean tomato pie?
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Aug 1, 2018 21:51
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Zanzibar Ham posted:By "code words" I mean stuff like 'pizza with no toppings' and other crap people say all the time. The 4chan types claim that Cheese Pizza was a common code word for Child Porn used on pedo sites, including 4chan itself, enough for it to become a huge meme that internet dorks and the upper echelons of both society both use, for some reason. That they immediately recognized it doesn't say anything at all about them, no siree.
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Aug 1, 2018 21:53
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It started during the election with PizzaGate and spirit cooking. It then tied into classic Satanic Panic and anti-Semitic Jews Control The World ((globalist)) as well as all the past conspiracies from when Bill Clinton was president. It’s why it appeals to boomers so much it’s basically a rerun of the past 25 years of “Greatest Hits: Conspiracy” given a veneer of Trump support and an appeal to their authoritism with memes mixed in to appeal to younger Trump supporters
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Aug 1, 2018 21:54
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Zanzibar Ham posted:By "code words" I mean stuff like 'pizza with no toppings' and other crap people say all the time. I always figured that Pizzagate got started more as a joke than in earnest, like other weird alt-right signals (i.e. the ok sign, milk, and of course, Pepe), and some very deranged posters quickly took it seriously.
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Aug 1, 2018 21:55
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It's kind of scary how literally anything anyone says is taken as gospel, as long as it's crazy and aimed at their political opponent. Code words and secret symbols and Tom Hanks being part of an international conspiracy to eat children is just accepted as fact and becomes part of the canon with zero evidence or corroboration. edit: but I mean, surely some of them are trolling. I hope. edit2: Jake Tapper talking Q now
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Aug 1, 2018 21:56
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Smeep posted:It's kind of scary how literally anything anyone says is taken as gospel, as long as it's crazy and aimed at their political opponent. Code words and secret symbols and Tom Hanks being part of an international conspiracy to eat children is just accepted as fact and becomes part of the canon with zero evidence or corroboration. yeah, that's what differentiates conspiracy theories from, well, theories. a conspiracy theory is one where you deliberately remove the Bad Idea filter, at worst you end up with different factions of theorists arguing about whether it was a hologram/laser that killed the twin towers, or if it was a remote controlled aircraft, or if it was controlled detonation etc. like when you get multiple guys in the same room who all claim they are jesus
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Aug 1, 2018 22:00
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Flip Yr Wig posted:I always figured that Pizzagate got started more as a joke than in earnest, like other weird alt-right signals (i.e. the ok sign, milk, and of course, Pepe), and some very deranged posters quickly took it seriously. The OK sign thing in particular is not a joke. It is an intentional attempt to get the press to lose their poo poo over trivial common things. The problem is that so many of them took it seriously enough to do it all the loving time. It's just yet another thing to sneak in and trigger those drat libs.
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Aug 1, 2018 22:03
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I love how every single Q shirt I've ever seen is a different design. Where the gently caress do they all come from?
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Aug 1, 2018 22:20
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Smeep posted:edit2: Jake Tapper talking Q now got a link to anything? what'd he say?
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Aug 1, 2018 22:21
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Zero_Grade posted:I love how every single Q shirt I've ever seen is a different design. Where the gently caress do they all come from? they're home made
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Zero_Grade posted:I love how every single Q shirt I've ever seen is a different design. Where the gently caress do they all come from? Some smart motherfuckers
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Bip Roberts posted:I think if you're being sincere about Q accepting pizzagate is an absolute minimum barrier of entry. Don't forget the Spirit Cooking! Smeep posted:Where did they ever get the idea that there are secret code words and secret symbols that represent pedophilia, cannibalism, etc.? A lot of the Q-mythos is old Blood Libel and New World Order stuff vamped up with a patchy coat of paint. Of course members of these 'very old families' and their allies drink the blood of well-tortured children to obtain some secret substance that they lack and/or crave, and of course they also front a cabal of (((businessmen))) who somehow both already run the world, and still intend to take it over: 
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:got a link to anything? what'd he say? He just cut to another reporter who did a short recap, talked about Alex Jones and gave a broad overview, nothing about how really crazy they are.
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Aug 1, 2018 22:25
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McGlockenshire posted:The OK sign thing in particular is not a joke. It is an intentional attempt to get the press to lose their poo poo over trivial common things. The problem is that so many of them took it seriously enough to do it all the loving time. It's just yet another thing to sneak in and trigger those drat libs. I completely get that, and I'm saying that I think Pizzagate got started by people trying to pull a similar stunt, but it ended up turning into a full blown conspiracy theory instead. I'm really gonna regret not opening that one incognito.
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Aug 1, 2018 22:25
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CodfishCartographer posted:I feel like maybe Q just started as some trump chud making up and roleplaying a pseudo-scifi story ala John Titor, and then holy poo poo people actually believe it, time to keep rolling with it. Maybe at some point they stopped, and then some follower / believer decided to take up the mast with new tripcodes. Who knows? The "secretly Russia trying to sew american chaos" is a little Russia has a long history and extensive institutional knowledge of using conspiracy theories as disinfo. Which is why "hey let's make Americans believe Donald Trump personally posts on 4chan in coded messages talking about his eventual victory over the deep state" would be laughed out of the room immediately, because it's too loving ridiculous and I would at least hope Russia thinks more highly of Americans than that.
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Aug 1, 2018 22:27
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Delthalaz posted:I want to figure out what claims they're making that are falsifiable. all of them. everything. it's a big fecal swirl of bullshit. you don't need to dip your hands in to pick out individual turds dude
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Aug 1, 2018 22:28
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Flip Yr Wig posted:
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Delthalaz posted:Oh my god this whole thing is so, so sad. I finally spent an hour or two reading up on Q today and watching some youtube videos (with hundreds of thousands of views!) but my eyes just keep glazing over. Is there like a wiki or something with a guide to the whole fictional universe these rubes inhabit? I want to figure out what claims they're making that are falsifiable. Yeah I think the problem as others have noted is it's not one idea; it's basically every conspiracy theory, many of which are in conflict with each other. Also, please god make this happen: 
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Now that SHuckS has answered a question about Q, Trump is absolutely going to address this poo poo. And it’s going to be some kind of *wink/nudge* sort of thing he does all of the time, which is going to send the Qult absolutely foaming-at-the-mouth nuts and probably get people killed. Even more foaming-at-the-mouth nuts than usual, I mean. These dorks have been operating on ridiculous innuendo for so long that the mere idea of Trump sempai finally noticing them will be too much to handle.
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That's fair, but is there some sort of repository for the actual claims, conflicting or not, being made? All the QAnon websites I've visited are these poorly worded tl;dr screeds about the lying MSM or incoherent poo poo about the important of *what* Q is (a secret back channel for gnosis from the Trump admin).
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Delthalaz posted:That's fair, but is there some sort of repository for the actual claims, conflicting or not, being made? i can't imagine anyone is out there rigorously dissecting and laying out exactly all the garbled poo poo these people collectively believe. there's no central core thesis, it's all vague symbols which all flavor of conspiracy theorists project their own pet theories onto. just like how bitcoin is a croud sourced ponzi scheme without any central driver, qanon is a collective fever dream operating by crank magnetism where everyone gets to piss their own idiocy into the universal pot. seriously like 90% of it is just mashups of already extant conspiracy theories about crisis actors and pedophile rings and the remaining 10% is big daddy trump worship there's no point to debunking any of it since none of it is even rational enough to consider worthy of criticism. you may as well try to debunk a barking dog
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Delthalaz posted:That's fair, but is there some sort of repository for the actual claims, conflicting or not, being made? All the QAnon websites I've visited are these poorly worded tl;dr screeds about the lying MSM or incoherent poo poo about the important of *what* Q is (a secret back channel for gnosis from the Trump admin). Not really that I'm aware of. You kind of have to dive into the threads and see what they bring up. Any "This Is What Q Is" write-ups from the Qult will focus on vague "uncovering corruption/freeing children/saving America" type language. And most of the MSM coverage will pull one or two Pizzagate-y threads to give viewers/readers the feel of it. I mean, in general, they believe that the world is run by an elite cabal of human-trafficking Satanic cannibalistic child rapists who control literally everything big and small in the world, and Donald was sent by God to save us all. edit: Oh, and one piece that's gotten more attention lately: anyone in Hollywood who's achieved any measure of success/fame is part of it. Like by definition they believe that to become famous means you've eaten a baby or two at the very least. Smeep fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Aug 1, 2018 |
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The Phlegmatist posted:Russia has a long history and extensive institutional knowledge of using conspiracy theories as disinfo. Your second sentence doesn't logically follow the first. Q Anon is without a doubt radicalizing Americans and inspiring violence. (Even if it is just 9nd idiot trolling) If Russia is competent with regards to using conspiracy theories to radicalize people wouldn't it follow that they would have perhaps seeing the potential in an operation like Q Anon. I would argue that you are using your layman's understanding of how propaganda works to declare that professional propagandists wouldn't have recognized a real opportunity. You think Q Anon is stupid and you would never have been able to think of such a scheme. But it doesn't follow that experienced propagandists would have overlooked the opportunity in the same way you have. All Russia would have to have done is taken their extensive institutional knowledge of how to use conspiracy theories as disinfo and put it in a slightly different format on a slightly different medium. Oh hey just so turns out that Russia is in the middle of experimenting with a wide variety of methods of using conspiracy theories as this info on the internet. I would argue that everything we have observed from Q Anon is a completely logical evolution of what we already know for 100% certain the Russians are doing.
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