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Delthalaz posted:That's fair, but is there some sort of repository for the actual claims, conflicting or not, being made? All the QAnon websites I've visited are these poorly worded tl;dr screeds about the lying MSM or incoherent poo poo about the important of *what* Q is (a secret back channel for gnosis from the Trump admin). I've been playing catch-up myself, and from what I've gathered in trying to figure it out is that "Q" is first and foremost a very basic concept - "SHADOW GOVERNMENT CONTROLLING ALL ASPECTS OF OUR LIVES DONALD TRUMP HAS A PLAN!". And then just layer upon layer upon layer of total loving nonsense background noise for these people to pick and choose from in what all gets filed as evidence of said conspiracy within their scrambled brains. Like others have pointed out, it's all just free association without any discernible storyline. If there is a coherent narrative, I haven't found one yet.
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Smeep posted:edit: Oh, and one piece that's gotten more attention lately: anyone in Hollywood who's achieved any measure of success/fame is part of it. Like by definition they believe that to become famous means you've eaten a baby or two at the very least. No, just the vocally left-ish and anti-Trump ones. And the ones that you (Yes, you, reading this right now!) don't like 
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Dr Christmas posted:No, just the vocally left-ish and anti-Trump ones. And the ones that you (Yes, you!) don't like Yeah that should go without saying. Although any evidence of deviating from their beliefs is cause for being cast in among the lizard people or whatever. They loved Chris Pratt because he's all Jesusy but when he signed that letter along with the Guardians of the Galaxy cast asking for Gunn to be reinstated, he was deemed "compromised."
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Is there a canonical reason why Q Anon hasn’t been stopped from his leaks? Like, this poo poo is starting to get mainstream, if there really are globalists controlling everything, wouldn’t they have stopped him by now? Since he’s exposing all their secrets. If they really DO control everything, wouldn’t they also have put a stop to Trump’s attempts to expose them?
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Until there's actual evidence of Russian involvement speculating about it seems like unnecessarily multiplying entities.
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CodfishCartographer posted:Is there a canonical reason why Q Anon hasn’t been stopped from his leaks? Like, this poo poo is starting to get mainstream, if there really are globalists controlling everything, wouldn’t they have stopped him by now? Since he’s exposing all their secrets. If they really DO control everything, wouldn’t they also have put a stop to Trump’s attempts to expose them? I assume it's because he is very close to Trump and Trump is untouchable for The Deep State.
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CodfishCartographer posted:Is there a canonical reason why Q Anon hasn’t been stopped from his leaks? Like, this poo poo is starting to get mainstream, if there really are globalists controlling everything, wouldn’t they have stopped him by now? Since he’s exposing all their secrets. If they really DO control everything, wouldn’t they also have put a stop to Trump’s attempts to expose them? I think there's a little book you need to read... https://www.amazon.com/Way-Shadow-W...w+wolves+seagal
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As long as we're discussing what these people think: The people who consider themselves Q supporters/believers who don't believe in the baby-eating cabal cling to mini-conspiracy theories around things like the FISA warrant. This is from Free Republic, a right-wing forum that in general eschews Q and its adherents:quote:Many including yours truly were highly skeptical. And when I say many, I literally mean MANY.
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Pope Guilty posted:Until there's actual evidence of Russian involvement speculating about it seems like unnecessarily multiplying entities. Kind of an odr argument considering the only two possible entities are "Russia" and "random idiot('s)", don't you think?. And there is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that indicates that Q Anon is a Russian psyop. Q Anon has let slip that he's a non-native English speaker (he used "Irak" in a post), much of the initial support for Q Anon came from Russia-compromised fringe figures like Jeremy Corsi, the Russian botnet has been regularly promoting Q Anon related hashtags for a long time, and the entire human on worldview portrays Trump and Putin as working together to overthrow Americas government, etc etc. I mean there's not a signed statement from Putin admitting to the plot or anything; however there is a very strong amount of circumstantial evidence to support that this is a Russian psyop. I don't know why people on this forum find it so hard to accept that you can intentionally manipulate crazies for political ends via Internet message boards by creating what is it essentially an interactive ARG- but it doesn't seem like such a strange idea to me.
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Prester Jane posted:Q Anon has let slip that he's a non-native English speaker (he used "Irak" in a post) I don't think that was Q; I think that was from a post by Q prophet SerialBrain2. By the way, as far as I can tell, GA mods removed all evidence of this.  edit: imagine if I spent this time learning a new language or some useful poo poo
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Smeep posted:I don't think that was Q; I think that was from a post by Q prophet SerialBrain2. By the way, as far as I can tell, GA mods removed all evidence of this. It seems to have been pretty thoroughly memory-holed in either case- my own Googling hasn't turned up what I was looking for. So there is just a lot going on in this video. Basically this guy is claiming that when he voiced some mild concerns about the authenticity of Q Qnoon, he somehow personally pissed off a member of the Trump family and had this fact communicated to him. I'm not entirely sure if the incident he's referencing was public or if it even happened at all, in either case he certainly putting forth the narrative that he was a Q doubter until a member of the Trump family criticized him (which somehow opened his eyes to the truth). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX7PJAR1rA4 Edit: speaks for itself: https://mobile.twitter.com/peltzmadeline/status/1024726151573499904 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJEaVGCfPHo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRKlOUQpNOw Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Aug 2, 2018 |
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Wait, what do they think Mike Rogers did besides suck at his job? They think that Mike Rogers is (was) one of the patriots who warned Trump about deep state interference when he went to Trump tower back in 2016 or so.
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:i like how levels 1-3 are honestly just like surface level cynical (and p much functionally true) observations but then the next level in their eleven-level scale involves immediate acceptance of the Hollywood pedo cabal 3 is very dogwhistley. But it’s like yea, instead of capitalism being wrong they have to make up a whacked conspiracy theory
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Prester Jane posted:Kind of an odr argument considering the only two possible entities are "Russia" and "random idiot('s)", don't you think? Or China, or North Korea, or Saudi Arabia, or Israel, or literally any of the quadrillion countries that hate us and/or want Trump's brand of discord/idiocy. Not to mention that by any standards, Occam's Razor points dead-on to "random idiot(s)." Why are you so massively convinced that it has to be Russia? I think that you kind of wanted it to be Russia to fit in better with the current geopolitical landscape, convinced yourself it was, and now a lot of your evidence just ends up coming down to confirmation bias. You were pointing out a spelling mistake as evidence, for Christ's sake! Do you really think a professional intelligence agent would just casually screw up their English? Not to mention a lot of your connections seem to end up being like 2-3 degrees of separation from Russia, and usually just some throwaway mention or something.
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Ambitious Spider posted:3 is very dogwhistley. But it’s like yea, instead of capitalism being wrong they have to make up a whacked conspiracy theory Shades of "antisemitism is the socialism of fools" here.
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The KGB and the Stasi conducted a huge misinformation campaign about AIDS called Operation Infektion, which is the foundation for a lot of the myths around AIDS. If the Russians did something like that again wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, though without any information I'm going to hold off on concrete accusations.
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Pope Guilty posted:Until there's actual evidence of Russian involvement speculating about it seems like unnecessarily multiplying entities. I think Occam's cuts the other way on this.
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Friends Are Evil posted:https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1024824449902817283?s=21 Should’ve gone with “When we go one, we go off.” Would’ve gotten more Trump support. Maybe even a like from Donny.
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Tollymain posted:thats a really dumb slogan It's got good rhythm and it sounds full of meaning but is actually a empty signifier. For a conspiracy theory movement like this, that's absolutely stellar.
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Kit Walker posted:So what are all the qultists going to do when Trump stops being president and literally none of the poo poo they've been blueballed over actually happens? Are they going to finally realize they've been duped this whole time or are we going to see several more years of nonsense published by these people that imply Shadow King Trump is still secretly ruling America and anything good that happens is thanks to him? the globalists got to him  it's time for our new savior, Alex Jones
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Kit Walker posted:So what are all the qultists going to do when Trump stops being president and literally none of the poo poo they've been blueballed over actually happens? Are they going to finally realize they've been duped this whole time or are we going to see several more years of nonsense published by these people that imply Shadow King Trump is still secretly ruling America and anything good that happens is thanks to him? They're gonna do the same thing End Of Days people do when the supposed day of Armageddon passes with a whimper: some will fall away, some will keep on truckin' having somehow convinced themselves they weren't wrong. This will be far from the first insane conspiracy theory to meet clear proof it was a lie, then morph to keep alive.
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TheBalor posted:I think there's a little book you need to read...
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luxury handset posted:all of them. everything. it's a big fecal swirl of bullshit. you don't need to dip your hands in to pick out individual turds dude Gotta have a sip
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I know this is missing the point, but you could ring any of a dozen different Chinese chemical companies and have a conversation along the lines of "Hi, I'd like some partially-oxidised epinephrine... yes carboys are fine... next month? Excellent." Where do the tortured children come into it?
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The Lone Badger posted:I know this is missing the point, but you could ring any of a dozen different Chinese chemical companies and have a conversation along the lines of "Hi, I'd like some partially-oxidised epinephrine... yes carboys are fine... next month? Excellent." Where do the tortured children come into it? Not a scholar, so I may have this wrong, but I believe it doesn't count unless it's from tortured children. Yes you can buy artifical adrenowhatsit quite easily, but it's not the same.
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Serious answer is that it's just a cheap way to make the conspiracy edgier and it's not like they're fact checking other parts of it. Somebody here pointed out that their logic means that asthmatics on inhalers should basically be immortal given all the adrenaline they inhale. Massive pedophile networks for elites/"globalists" and child sacrifice networks have been elements of conspiracies for awhile, they just weren't featured in many mainstream ones after Satanic Panic burned itself out for a bit. Specifically, conspiracy theories about massive Taken/Hollywood-style sex slave auctions and warehouses full of children run by the illuminati. For whatever reason they're never happy with sticking with reality-based versions, although they'll happily point to them as proof. I'm actually not sure how true this is because it's basically impossible to check it anymore, but I heard that Pizzagate's original incarnation was some "just asking questions" types focusing on the arrest of someone in Haiti who had ties to the Clinton Foundation. Supposedly they were accused of child trafficking but then there wasn't much coverage of it after the arrest, so the tinfoil hats assumed that the Clintons may have asked for it to be kept hushed up. No one was interested in this though, and it basically only served as a foundation for Pizzagate. It has to be a full horror story secret society or movie plot, or you won't get any conspiracy followers to bite.
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:Serious answer is that it's just a cheap way to make the conspiracy edgier and it's not like they're fact checking other parts of it. Somebody here pointed out that their logic means that asthmatics on inhalers should basically be immortal given all the adrenaline they inhale. I mean it's really just rehashed Franklin Credit Union/McMartin pre-school nonsense. Meanwhile, they loving yawn at Jim Jordan covering up sexual abuse, or Roy Moore being an actual pedophile.
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Friends Are Evil posted:https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1024824449902817283?s=21 I wonder what would happen when Trump finally tries to lean into it with his expected level of incompetency. Just namedropping Q, saying what a great guy he is and failing to recite the memes and slogans correctly.
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Adrenochrome is just a pseudo-medical version of the blood libel with some of the antisemitism spackled over.
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The Lone Badger posted:I know this is missing the point, but you could ring any of a dozen different Chinese chemical companies and have a conversation along the lines of "Hi, I'd like some partially-oxidised epinephrine... yes carboys are fine... next month? Excellent." Where do the tortured children come into it?
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