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R. Guyovich posted:you're using semantics in defense of fishmech, of all people. the soviet-dprk relationship was not at all like the us-rok relationship. the end Those relationships were extremely similar and to say otherwise is indefensible. The fact that you're complaining about that is odd, and that you think describing Kim Il Sung's regime seeking active approval from the PRC and Soviet Union before the war is something that needs to be opposed? That's just weird.
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# ? Jul 31, 2018 16:52 |
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/rsimmon/status/1024081566136328193 Yeah, cause it isn’t. And anyone who thought North Korea was disarming or denuclearizing is an idiot. However, failed diplomatic efforts or misrepresented outcomes on the part of the US admin shouldn’t be used to say diplomacy is impossible. I’m sure plenty of hawks will do just that, though.
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# ? Jul 31, 2018 18:29 |
mlmp08 posted:Yeah, cause it isn’t. And anyone who thought North Korea was disarming or denuclearizing is an idiot. It should definitely be used to say "We were right that Trump getting involved at all would either lead to no change or make things worse."
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# ? Jul 31, 2018 19:17 |
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Hey guys things haven’t changed before any agreement has been made. Huge gently caress up by Trump.
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# ? Jul 31, 2018 19:29 |
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coathat posted:Hey guys things haven’t changed before any agreement has been made. Huge gently caress up by Trump. any day now, don't lose hope. thoughs and prayers
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# ? Jul 31, 2018 19:53 |
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mlmp08 posted:Yeah, cause it isn’t. And anyone who thought North Korea was disarming or denuclearizing is an idiot. Holding Minuteman III tests today probably doesn't help. Even though these tests are scheduled months or years in advance, it might have been wise to, uh, postpone this one.
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# ? Jul 31, 2018 20:19 |
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Minuteman tests have near-nothing to do with the DPRK beyond being something they will complain about.
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# ? Jul 31, 2018 20:22 |
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mlmp08 posted:Minuteman tests have near-nothing to do with the DPRK beyond being something they will complain about. That is precisely why holding those tests is a bad idea: because things that make future disarmament talks less likely to happen are bad.
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# ? Jul 31, 2018 21:55 |
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Majorian posted:That is precisely why holding those tests is a bad idea: because things that make future disarmament talks less likely to happen are bad. That’s not what the tests are about. That’s like saying US soldiers in Germany shouldn’t train, because it’s a threat to the DPRK. Has almost zero bearing on the DPRK beyond them grumbling about it when they feel like it and ignoring it when it serves them. Flying bombers over to the peninsula? Sure, that’s a show of force/readiness aimed at the DPRK, no pun intended.
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# ? Jul 31, 2018 22:25 |
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mlmp08 posted:That’s not what the tests are about. That’s like saying US soldiers in Germany shouldn’t train, because it’s a threat to the DPRK. Has almost zero bearing on the DPRK beyond them grumbling about it when they feel like it and ignoring it when it serves them. The grumbling's what I'm talking about, though. I'd rather not give hardliners in North Korea a propaganda talking point about why diplomacy with the U.S. won't work.
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# ? Jul 31, 2018 23:05 |
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Just as the DPRK would be stupid to refuse to build or test deterrent weapons because it might make the US grumble, the US would be stupid to forego tests and modernization of its strategic nuclear force because the DPRK might grumble.
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# ? Jul 31, 2018 23:07 |
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Who's talking about foregoing, though? The U.S. postponed tests back in February because of the Olympics. Like I said earlier, I think this would have been a good set of tests to postpone as well.
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# ? Jul 31, 2018 23:14 |
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What exactly do Minuteman III missiles do anyway? How are they any better than the missiles we already have?
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# ? Aug 1, 2018 03:56 |
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Some Guy TT posted:What exactly do Minuteman III missiles do anyway? How are they any better than the missiles we already have? Minuteman IIIs are the missiles we already have. They've been in service in one form or another since 1970. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Aug 1, 2018 |
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OK, um, then forgive my ignorance on the subject but...why are we testing them then? Are we worried that they don't work anymore or something?
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# ? Aug 1, 2018 04:09 |
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Some Guy TT posted:OK, um, then forgive my ignorance on the subject but...why are we testing them then? Are we worried that they don't work anymore or something? Partially that, plus testing out the components we've replaced or improved over the years as things reach expiration or obsolescence.
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# ? Aug 1, 2018 04:11 |
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Some Guy TT posted:What exactly do Minuteman III missiles do anyway? How are they any better than the missiles we already have? this: but +1
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# ? Aug 1, 2018 04:18 |
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Some Guy TT posted:OK, um, then forgive my ignorance on the subject but...why are we testing them then? Are we worried that they don't work anymore or something? Yeah, building off what mlmp08 said, the idea is to make sure that the U.S.' nuclear deterrent is still reliable. Deterrence only works if the thing you're trying to deter a strategic adversary with, you know, actually works. So the Air Force tests its (unarmed) missiles pretty frequently. It just sometimes chooses to postpone those tests, if it's a geopolitically bad time.
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# ? Aug 1, 2018 07:11 |
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Good to know. It's mind-boggling sometimes how many military tests this country conducts with normal citizens only ever hearing about them thirdhand because they indirectly relate to other issues. Anyway, let's talk about something different- the weather. You all may or may not be aware that there is a heat wave in Korea right now. What's less well publicized is that the intensity of the weather has been bad enough that crops are failing, and prices for common vegetables have been spiking. Given the frequency with which we see it asserted that North Korea is on the brink of collapse, I was curious whether any similar negative effects were being felt on the northern side of the DMZ. This article from The Daily NK was about the only commentary I could find on the subject- quote:Unification Media Group (UMG): Welcome to the weekly news rundown from North Korea. Today we’re here speaking again with reporter Kang Mi Jin. What do you have for us today? Apparently food distribution in North Korea has so vastly improved over the last few years that the difference easily offsets year-to-year harvest fluctuations. Which is good, if your concern is the welfare of the North Korean people. Not so good if you're looking for an excuse to destabilize the country.
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# ? Aug 1, 2018 09:54 |
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I like that roadside watermelon is so universal.
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# ? Aug 1, 2018 17:43 |
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Some Guy TT posted:Good to know. It's mind-boggling sometimes how many military tests this country conducts with normal citizens only ever hearing about them thirdhand because they indirectly relate to other issues. Your mind must be boggled by a lot of things, because it's hardly normal for militaries around the world to issue big reports about their testing regimes.
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 05:19 |
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And yet we are shocked, shocked to learn that absent a deal North Korea is continuing to produce intercontinental ballistic missiles and enriched uranium without sending out a press release first.
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 05:42 |
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Some Guy TT posted:And yet we are shocked, shocked to learn that absent a deal North Korea is continuing to produce intercontinental ballistic missiles and enriched uranium without sending out a press release first. Who's shocked? I told you nothing of importance was going to change from all the non-agreements and Trump blustering.
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 05:58 |
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The Casablanca reference is lost on you. Somehow I'm not surprised.
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 06:43 |
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Some Guy TT posted:The Casablanca reference is lost on you. Somehow I'm not surprised. That's not even a half decent reference dude. You just seem mad that you didn't know 40 plus year old devices need testing.
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 06:51 |
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The most iconic joke of the most iconic movie of all the time isn't even half a decent reference? I might be able to take that comment more seriously if it weren't for the anime avatar.
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 07:01 |
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Some Guy TT posted:The most iconic joke of the most iconic movie of all the time isn't even half a decent reference? I might be able to take that comment more seriously if it weren't for the anime avatar. I might be able to take you seriously if you were not confused about daring to test 47 year old rockets
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 07:18 |
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Some Guy TT posted:The Casablanca reference is lost on you. Somehow I'm not surprised. Hi someone without an anime avatar here Who cares?
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 09:10 |
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Furia posted:Hi someone without an anime avatar here Exactly one person on Earth.
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 12:50 |
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I can't tell whether you all are showing solidarity with fishmech over his inability to detect sarcasm or his ignorance about classic memes. But either way it's telling that this is the statement which encourages you to post, rather than the story I posted about living conditions in North Korea during a drought.
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 12:56 |
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I think one of your problems is that you misunderstand disregard for your posting as disregard for people in Korea or the peninsula at large. Thinking your posting is bad doesn’t mean someone wishes ill for Korean people and their future.
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 12:58 |
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Yes, my terrible posting that involves firsthand experience regarding domestic South Korean politics and the posting of serious English language articles often written by people opposed to the regime and making fun of fishmech. Clearly those don't hold a candle to the enlightenment your posts have brought the thread.
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 13:02 |
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Some Guy TT posted:Yes, my terrible posting that involves firsthand experience regarding domestic South Korean politics and the posting of serious English language articles often written by people opposed to the regime and making fun of fishmech. Clearly those don't hold a candle to the enlightenment your posts have brought the thread. mlmp08 posted:Thinking your posting is bad doesn’t mean someone wishes ill for Korean people and their future. Also you seem significantly more upset about posting than about the lives of the people you claim to defend, so maybe evaluate your actions a little bit more next time
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 13:26 |
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I posted an article about the living conditions of the North Korean people which you all ignored. You're the one who started this dumbass conversation by defending fishmech for outing himself as an ignoramous.
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 13:34 |
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Some Guy TT posted:Apparently food distribution in North Korea has so vastly improved over the last few years that the difference easily offsets year-to-year harvest fluctuations. Which is good, if your concern is the welfare of the North Korean people. Not so good if you're looking for an excuse to destabilize the country. I am curious about how the heatwave has affected crops, given over here in the west we've seen early yields or dying crops. Obviously a journalist wouldn't up front go "yeah we're loving dying over here, buddy" so I wonder if they'll be fine down the line.
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 13:54 |
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One thing that surprised me about the article was how positive the tone was. Usually The Daily NK is a lot more grim than that. They seem to have tempered their message lately. For a sense of perspective, these articles are far more typical of The Daily NK's line. Excessive heat wave wreaking havoc on residents and crops Bribe-hungry North Korean authorities await reunions for separated families
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 14:07 |
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mlmp08 posted:Thinking your posting is bad doesn’t mean someone wishes ill for Korean people and their future. Your posting is 90% credulously reposting think tank wonks. Glass houses, stones, etc
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 14:13 |
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Some Guy TT posted:I posted an article about the living conditions of the North Korean people which you all ignored. You're the one who started this dumbass conversation by defending fishmech for outing himself as an ignoramous. Maybe using American culture on a multinational forum to determine people’s worth makes you a bad person, I dunno Decolonize how you assign value to people
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# ? Aug 2, 2018 14:14 |
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Some Guy TT posted:One thing that surprised me about the article was how positive the tone was. Usually The Daily NK is a lot more grim than that. They seem to have tempered their message lately. For a sense of perspective, these articles are far more typical of The Daily NK's line. Ah, that's the kind of thing I was wondering about. Corn crops are drying out, which I have a feeling are going to cause knock-on effects in the winter months. Part of the cruel irony of climate change that even the smaller polluters have to eat poo poo.
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The planned marital law response to the candlight protests that’s come out recently is some wild poo poo.
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