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Marijuana posted:I just watched "Profit and Lace" for the first time last night. Good Lord. I didn't know whether to laugh my rear end off or cringe in horror. That's why I can never lump it in with the worst DS9 episodes. The worst ones are boring. Profit and Lace is, uh, taking you for a ride.
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Also, that episode forgets to tie up the "Quark hiring Garak to kill him" subplot. I assume Garak was just never going to bother or maybe it's just on his to-do list and he's really busy
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Pick posted:That's why I can never lump it in with the worst DS9 episodes. The worst ones are boring. Profit and Lace is, uh, taking you for a ride. The episode was well executed. The content was insane.
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Pick posted:That's why I can never lump it in with the worst DS9 episodes. The worst ones are boring. Profit and Lace is, uh, taking you for a ride. I'm glad we never got the Babylon 5 version of it with G'Kar.
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Low Desert Punk posted:ethan phillips is a very good actor so he has pretty funny delivery and expressions on even the dumb poo poo that was written for him. People act like he's a Jar-Jar Binks level annoying character and I don't get that. I don't think Neelix is any more irritating than a character like Rom. I’m only 3 episodes into Voyager and comparing Rom to Neelix is blasphemous. Neelix sucks.
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Neelix is insufferable and Voyager is easily the worst Star Trek. Just skip to Enterprise and then Discovery.
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As a non Starfleet(even counting the maquis which I consider just a Starfleet offshoot) I feel Neelix would have been well used as a guy to point out flaws in their thinking and say why their way wouldn't or shouldn't work in their current situation. Not in an antagonistic way, but providing friendly challenge to their ideals and offering an easier way out of certain situations. Or in some circumstances, being a Worf who says why what they're about to do is a terrible idea and being proven right but helping them get out of the situation. As is he's not really that terrible though, apart from the possessiveness and borderline occasional bullying of Tuvok.
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Yeah I’m up to date with Discovery, but it wasn’t part of my binge. I’m also up to date with Orville. I think I’ll give Voyager a few more episodes and see how it goes. So far it just seems like a less good rehash of TNG, which I enjoy. I like the whole “sans-federation 75 years from the nearest Federation outpost” premise.
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Aug 3, 2018 15:54
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Windows 98 posted:Yeah I’m up to date with Discovery, but it wasn’t part of my binge. I’m also up to date with Orville. Aside from the premise, Voyager is essentially TNG seasons 8-14, just with a new cast they could pay less.
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Neelix problem isn't any one thing, but basically the character is written to be obnoxious to everyone, annoys everyone, always does something he shouldn't, is oblivious as he aggravates everyone, and contributes almost nothing of substance except for his food which everyone hates anyways. Its like they took the worst part of every annoying TV character and combined them into one. Like some kind of Steve Urkel, Kimmy Gibbler, Screech, Scrappy Doo monstrosity.
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I'll be honest, I like the doctor better than Crusher, I like Tuvok better than Worf, I like Torres better than Geordi, and while I don't like Janeway better than Picard I find her more interesting and entertaining as a character. And I like seven better than most TNG peeps as well, I guess her analogue would be Data. She has fewer seasons to wear thin. Kim, Chakotay, and Paris are pretty much boring nothing characters though. While I like Torres more than Geordi I didn't like him much anyway and she's not that great. Neelix I think is basically fine but he's no Guinan. Voyager is just seven seasons of TNG season 7, with half the characters better than the closest TNG analogue and half the characters worse. But you know what I like TNG season 7, so I like Voyager.
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Most Star Trek crews suffer a bit from blandness but Voyager has the blandest of the bland. With the possible exceptions of Seven and the Doctor, no characters are likeable and interesting.
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I think Kes had a lot of potential. The actress was charismatic, and the idea of a species living like 10 years would have been interesting to see over the course of 7 seasons of a show as shes in old person makeup and feeble by the late seasons. Theres interesting things they could have explored there, though Neelix dragged the whole character down, as Neelix does, and they should have never started them as a couple... ugh. So, yeah I mean if she could have stuck around, and they would have ditched Neelix, I think there was plenty of potential there. Once again though, VOY does what VOY gunna do to anything of potential.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:I'll be honest, I like the doctor better than Crusher, I like Tuvok better than Worf, I like Torres better than Geordi, and while I don't like Janeway better than Picard I find her more interesting and entertaining as a character. And I like seven better than most TNG peeps as well, I guess her analogue would be Data. She has fewer seasons to wear thin. I will say that I give Voyager points for just doing some plain weird poo poo sometimes. Sometimes the execution wasn’t exactly fantastic, and one time we got Threshold, but I kinda enjoyed whenever it went for the “gently caress it, whatever, sure” approach. I will add a disclaimer that Masks is one of my favorite TNG episodes, so my taste may just be off.
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Has anyone listened to any of the Star Trek audio books Big Finish put out?
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marktheando posted:Most Star Trek crews suffer a bit from blandness but Voyager has the blandest of the bland. With the possible exceptions of Seven and the Doctor, no characters are likeable and interesting.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Enterprise is worse Yeah this. Enterprise has sometimes T’pol, sometimes Phlox, and who else? The whole cast is a black void of charisma.
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skasion posted:Yeah this. Enterprise has sometimes T’pol, sometimes Phlox, and who else? The whole cast is a black void of charisma. I liked the subplot of T’Pol being addicted to space opiates.
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For me, Enterprise has a lot of good individual episodes but fails because of bad overarching story ideas, like being a prequel which is bad enough, and THEN doing time travel that defeats the entire purpose. And then Voyager is the inverse, where it's the best concept they could possibly have done at the time, but it's wasted.
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I’m in the middle of re-watching all of Star Trek. For everything post TOS and the films it’s my first time watching it since the original broadcast. And all this talk of Voyager is giving me flashbacks. It’s going to be a hell of a slog... I never even finished Enterprise the first time...
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Everything about Enterprise is great except the characters and the cast and the writing and the plotting. I mean, the production design loving rules
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Phylodox posted:I’m in the middle of re-watching all of Star Trek. For everything post TOS and the films it’s my first time watching it since the original broadcast. And all this talk of Voyager is giving me flashbacks. It’s going to be a long time, gettin' from there to here...
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Everything about Enterprise is great except the characters and the cast and the writing and the plotting. Honestly the first two seasons are really bland looking but once they start adding in colour, yeah. It probably helps that everything since then has looked like total rear end
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I actually really like the Disco uniforms and alien designs, and their redesign of Pike's uniform is snazzy too. The ship itself sucks though
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I do wonder why sci-fi is so shy about color. We're constantly creating new artificial pigments, and new brighter colored LEDs and LASERs. Everything should be a stunning, shifting lightshow of beauty and information.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Everything about Enterprise is great except the characters and the cast and the writing and the plotting.
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Because space is dark just like my soul *How could this happen to meeee...*
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When I do rewatches I skip the least Enterprise episodes. I probably skip a third of Voyager. None of them are fantastic but Enterprise is a consistently fine Trek. good for hangovers and playing in the background while you're writing papers. The crew just seems very likeable to me, even if they're given jackshit to do
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Space is a mysterious place, full of dark secrets. When life crawled out of the ocean of space, it asked itself, who am I? In space we seek the answer, but we may find out, that the answer, was seeking, us I WANT TO GET AWAY I WANT TO FLY AWAY YEAH YEAH YEAH
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enterprise has some great moments. like in Cogenitor when Archer gives Trip the most brutal dress-down in Star Trek history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHMdRez-Tsw Low Desert Punk fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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Low Desert Punk posted:enterprise has some great moments. like in Cogenitor when Archer gives Trip the most brutal dress-drown in Star Trek history. Captain Archer: Don't teach slaves to read, Trip
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Senor Tron posted:The data bandwidth to deconstruct an entire person and transfer the information on every atom of their being to another location is immense. So the transporter doesn't, it deconstructs someone and then sends a fraction of their information to the other end where it is extrapolated out back into a whole being with the system making its best guess in filling in the blanks. I don't think this is consistent with the usual depiction of the transporter. The transporter isn't re-creating people out of whole cloth; there's a matter stream in the transporter beam as well. Also, data streams don't have to be digital; it could be (and, I would argue, probably should be) an analog signal.
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Brawnfire posted:I do wonder why sci-fi is so shy about color. We're constantly creating new artificial pigments, and new brighter colored LEDs and LASERs. Everything should be a stunning, shifting lightshow of beauty and information. Probably difficult to shoot, looks bad on TV, and kinda distracting to audiences.
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I’m just not a fan of how...blue DIS is.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Captain Archer: Don't teach slaves to read, Trip I always thought there was a little more interesting take on that episode than that. I mean, yeah that species treated their 3rd gender as slaves, and yeah thats a bad thing, but how do you deal with it in practice? Do you break off contact with the species you've just met after explaining why? Do you try to interfere and remove the slave? Do you explain your issues with it but still remain friendly while doing nothing? Trek has a long history of captains rocking up to other races and telling them what to do and saving the day, but it was interesting to have a situation where they rode in with their morals, but it just ended in broken relations, a dead alien, and others unable to start a family. Despite how just their thoughts might be. With the history of Trek and how allegorical everything is to us in our time, and our history, sometimes the episodes that really try to be alien, and question what to do in a truly alien situation that is outside of our real life experience are I think neat. If there really were aliens, that we really did meet for the first time in deep space, in real life, not TV, how on earth would we adapt our morals to a completely different society and race of creature? What would we do in that situation for real?
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Whatever made rich people richer
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Pick posted:Whatever made rich people richer The correct answer 
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