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Nebakenezzer posted:Possibly dumb question: why didn't the industry squeal? Liability for being a whistleblower? THANKS OBAMA You'll get shitcanned for some mundane stupid reason which is completely legal, and will never work in the industry ever again, anywhere, including subcontractors or partnering component manufacturers. So enjoy living the rest of your life on well-fare, or re-educate yourself to some completely different non-overlapping field, where you will never get employed because you are 10-25 years older than your competitors.
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Der Kyhe posted:where you will never get employed because you are 10-25 years older than your competitors. not even remotely accurate or correct hth
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oohhboy posted:Better than a tech bro solution.... Every battery cell is connected via bluetooth to your car's wifi and when it starts overheating it tweets a warning @ you
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Aug 3, 2018 19:39
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ageism (against old people) isn't a real thing fyi, except in like silicon valley style bro startups 95% of the time when someone complains about being discriminated against because they're old, it's actually because they're incompetent which sucks, especially if your brain has too many holes to retrain to the new ways of working, but like, well, too bad
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Aug 3, 2018 19:40
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Sagebrush posted:as they're walking out of the dealership after having returned the car: "how could a company lie to their customers on such a massive scale??" Yeah, things are so much better in socialist countries, like venezuala and cuba 
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Aug 3, 2018 19:42
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Sagebrush posted:ageism (against old people) isn't a real thing fyi, except in like silicon valley style bro startups uh, do you sources for this? Because here in the Netherlands if you get fired when you're over like forty it gets real hard to find a job (that isn't like, street sweeper for the council) and it's a legitimate problem with government programs dedicated to trying to solve it and everything
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evil_bunnY posted:The VW group stuff was an industry open secret. Someone I know works in ICE optimization (for their competition) and when he saw the early audi q7 numbers he went "yeah I'm that's what it does with the lid open". Wasn't it the case that the first gen of clever cheating was doing thing like detecting when the hood was open during a drive cycle and putting the engine into 'pass the text mode' beCause that was how the teSt's were initially run?
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ekuNNN posted:uh, do you sources for this? Because here in the Netherlands if you get fired when you're over like forty it gets real hard to find a job (that isn't like, street sweeper for the council) and it's a legitimate problem with government programs dedicated to trying to solve it and everything I think that the poster refers to entry level positions or something like retail because also here being over 40 and being laid off, especially on a bad note, is a life sentence to unemployment.
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Aug 3, 2018 19:51
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ekuNNN posted:uh, do you sources for this? Because here in the Netherlands if you get fired when you're over like forty it gets real hard to find a job (that isn't like, street sweeper for the council) and it's a legitimate problem with government programs dedicated to trying to solve it and everything it's certainly a problem that when people get out of the workforce at a late age it's harder to find a new job. but that's not because all those cackling millennials are plotting to keep all those good kind old folks out of work; it's because their skills are often no longer relevant to the position, and a younger person with more recent training is literally just a better choice for the job like imagine that you trained to the state of the art in "business computing" in 2003 so that you could do some computer job at work, and you did that job for the last fifteen years without retraining because why bother, everything works fine, and now you're up against someone who graduated last year i'm not saying there is a good solution or that it's desirable to put old people out of work, but older people lose competence in many ways and are replaced by younger people who are better at the job. that's how human society works. if you want to complain about something, complain about the gutting of pensions and social services that make it impossible for elderly people to survive, or the destruction of the socialized retraining programs that let people develop new skills without making huge financial sacrifices
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ekuNNN posted:uh, do you sources for this? Because here in the Netherlands if you get fired when you're over like forty it gets real hard to find a job (that isn't like, street sweeper for the council) and it's a legitimate problem with government programs dedicated to trying to solve it and everything its even worse in the us for salaried positions because old people have way higher healthcare costs than young people, which is something you are worried about if you have a goofy system like your employer is on the hook for your healthcare between that and salary requirements (old people won't take pay cuts or work for entry level wages) employers have a huge financial incentive to fire older workers and hire younger ones
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Sagebrush posted:ageism (against old people) isn't a real thing fyi, except in like silicon valley style bro startups Place I used to work at had two old dudes who would loudly proclaim that there's no way they're going to learn some 'new fangled' thing or other (it basically varied day to day based on what gaps in their knowledge were laid bare) and then would conspire with each other to back each other up in a wrongful termination suit for ageism if they ever got fired.
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Aug 3, 2018 19:58
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luxury handset posted:its even worse in the us for salaried positions because old people have way higher healthcare costs than young people, which is something you are worried about if you have a goofy system like your employer is on the hook for your healthcare nope
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spog posted:Wasn't it the case that the first gen of clever cheating was doing thing like detecting when the hood was open during a drive cycle and putting the engine into 'pass the text mode' beCause that was how the teSt's were initially run? Toyota did something similar to this in their Toyota Team Europe Turbo Celica cheat of 1995., but it was infinitely mare clever. The brilliant part of Toyota’s cheaty turbo was that when the part was removed and inspected, it appeared to be a completely normal, rules-compliant turbo with a restrictor plate. The difference was, though, that when the part was installed, the very act of installation changed the internal geometry of the part. https://jalopnik.com/how-the-best-racing-cheat-of-all-time-worked-1792828060
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i mean i may just be a little biased because i work in a university and if you want an example of how incompetent dead wood at the top can totally loving ruin an organization, hooooooo boy
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Aug 3, 2018 20:03
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Sagebrush posted:i mean i may just be a little biased because i work in a university and if you want an example of how incompetent dead wood at the top can totally loving ruin an organization, hooooooo boy It is the standard way how universities operate. Also, over-producting doctors so post-doc goes into infinity, and the faculty positions are almost absolutely impossible to attain.
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tsa posted:nope Hey thanks for this thoughtful input. I must have been misinformed that employers would rather hire someone with more modern skills for half the cost and are in a dire need of a job because they are 200k in debt from school loans so they have no real negotiating power than someone with tons of actual experience and will cost them more. Thanks again for your enlightenment-phew! I feel much better. Sucks to be old and wrong for so long.
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Especially when that "actual experience" is irrelevant because it's thirty years out of date and younger people have been doing those parts of your job for years and all that's left for you is to delegate responsibility back and forth between the people who are really getting the job done
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"manager" is the baby boomer participation trophy, prove me wrong
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Sagebrush posted:"manager" is the baby boomer participation trophy, prove me wrong I'm not disagreeing with you? You do not go whistle blowing because you become absolutely toxic to your industry. And if you are old enough, as most people in the position of "knowing things" are, they cannot get a new career because they are old, and even with re-educating themselves at a new profession at best not a good investment because they have less working years in them, and will cost more in the near future. EDIT: So the only reason to ever to become a whistle-blower is to avoid jail-time, because that is the only worse outcome than becoming "unemployable at your experience level", and taking an entry-level job at the nearest McD if neccessary. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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Qwijib0 posted:https://patentscope.wipo.int/search...=PCTDescription Let's break this down you laughable rube: 1. The patent is from this year. 2. The patent doesn't represent tech in any current cars, or even necessarily tech that actual exists. 3. I'm sure that Panasonic, who actually develops and builds the cells for Tesla, is definitely using this patent from last month.
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Sagebrush posted:"manager" is the baby boomer participation trophy, prove me wrong Spoken like someone who probably still lives in his mom's basement. Thank for this as well. The "manager" title is usually the Iv'e been doing this longer than you, so stfu, trophy. Yes boomers are idiots, we're all idiots. Maybe you will grow up to be on too. That has nothing to do with experience as a whole, though. We're all your teachers 20 something years old?
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Sagebrush posted:i mean i may just be a little biased because i work in a university and if you want an example of how incompetent dead wood at the top can totally loving ruin an organization, hooooooo boy Let me tell you about a little organization known as the military... Admittedly steps are being taken - from the beancounter end, of all places - to cut out a whole lot of these top-end positions, but the point still stands. Has more to do with foot-dragging resistance to any systemic changes, but that's a whole wormy bucket best not dug into.
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Sagebrush posted:i mean i may just be a little biased because i work in a university and if you want an example of how incompetent dead wood at the top can totally loving ruin an organization, hooooooo boy so what age range are you talking about, because if you are referring to to 70 years olds I apologize. Guy mentioned 40 somethings and that is a far cry from a baby boomer. And yes, show us an exmple, please.
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Sagebrush posted:ageism (against old people) isn't a real thing fyi, except in like silicon valley style bro startups one final thing. When was the last time you were unemployed at forty? And please source this stupid poo poo as well.
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Der Kyhe posted:I think that the poster refers to entry level positions or something like retail because also here being over 40 and being laid off, especially on a bad note, is a life sentence to unemployment. And this is also false. You just need a marketable position. Go figure. I have hosed up my way out of more jobs than I would like to admit, on top of a spotty legal history, but I am never unemployed longer than I want to be. I'm 43 and just started a new job a couple years ago after a pretty major gently caress-up. dick sucking helps as well. I suggest to cup the balls.
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schmug posted:one final thing. When was the last time you were unemployed at forty? I am currently unemployed at 41. When I’m medically cleared, I plan to take my high school diploma and years of experience and go find another job. I don’t expect my age to be an issue.
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schmug posted:And this is also false. You just need a marketable position. Go figure. I have hosed up my way out of more jobs than I would like to admit, on top of a spotty legal history, but I am never unemployed longer than I want to be. I'm 43 and just started a new job a couple years ago after a pretty major gently caress-up. So basically you are saying that having connections and other marketable assets helps. How surprising.
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Subjunctive posted:I am currently unemployed at 41. When I’m medically cleared, I plan to take my high school diploma and years of experience and go find another job. I don’t expect my age to be an issue. it's having a marketable nonreplaceable skill and dipshits that miss 1 of those and then complain bitterly when retards directly out of college are undercutting their 100k salaries by "ageism"
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Sagebrush posted:ageism (against old people) isn't a real thing fyi, except in like silicon valley style bro startups lmao you are completely wrong. The hiring/firing cycle is very effective at pushing olds out once they hit a certain age and rotating fresh meat in because luxury handset posted:its even worse in the us for salaried positions because old people have way higher healthcare costs than young people, which is something you are worried about if you have a goofy system like your employer is on the hook for your healthcare Unless you are in a position that's harder to replace there is no reason at all from the bean counter perspective to hold somebody who can do the same job but costs more. During regular layoff cycles or recession you can easily can them with plausible deniability. https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=7042634&page=1 Nuclearmonkee fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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thatguy posted:it's having a marketable nonreplaceable skill and dipshits that miss 1 of those and then complain bitterly when retards directly out of college are undercutting their 100k salaries by "ageism" It's almost like there can be multiple reasons for a thing. Get off my lawn!
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https://features.propublica.org/ibm/ibm-age-discrimination-american-workers/quote:Among ProPublica’s findings, IBM:
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Der Kyhe posted:So basically you are saying that having connections and other marketable assets helps. How surprising. umm, yes?
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i get that as a younger millennial struggling to establish a career it is attractive to want to kick older employees out the door but its a precedent that will bite you in the rear end before you've paid off your student loans lmao
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And this. Thanks for this:
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serves gen-x right for killing unions
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luxury handset posted:i get that as a younger millennial struggling to establish a career it is attractive to want to kick older employees out the door but its a precedent that will bite you in the rear end before you've paid off your student loans lmao It's almost like that old saying...err, wait, never mind. 
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JB50 posted:Toyota did something similar to this in their Toyota Team Europe Turbo Celica cheat of 1995., but it was infinitely mare clever. I've heard about this before. I'm amazed at the ingenuity of this. Super slick. I'd love to know who the supposedly still nameless person or team who designed it is and their story.
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some good Soviet OSHA posters here: http://bieganski-the-blog.blogspot.com/2012/09/dont-walk-on-fish-soviet-safety-posters.html?m=1    also:  edit, Also: 
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