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Agean90 posted:commerce techs get us as much money while also improving our rgos and factories. Plus boats are easy to build, the real bottleneck are our naval bases. Imperialists at the very least we should get an iron navy before getting tech add Business regulations are the only really major economic boost we're missing at the moment in the commerce tree, meanwhile we're also missing poo poo like interchangable parts, clean coal, cheap iron, etc. not to mention that we're just not building or researching railroads at the moment. It's not like imperialists would be a disaster I just favour growing the economy first given the restrictions which Hashim has imposed through the party system.
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It seems like if you want industrialization enough to vote moderate and forego the chance at further military expansion, you might as well vote socialist and get some social reforms out of the deal. That might even be a good preparation for another royalist term to snag the rest of Iberia, pass some reforms, and you'll have a buffer against reactionary backsliding. Of course if you think the anti-Iberian powers are weak, then Royalists might be able to finally complete the goals that Qadis has had for the entire LP. And Imperialists are there if you're really into pillaging Africa for some reason. I wonder if Egypt and Morocco might try to do some kind of African Monroe Doctrine. edit: poo poo, I don't know much about the great powers screen, but is Al Andalus in the #2 spot somehow? Crazy.
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I vote for the Imperialists. If they truly do finish uniting all of Iberia underneath Al Andalusia, then I will consider my vote worth it. Either way, we need a better navy to secure our southern defense. I'll feel comfortable voting for Socialists when I know we're a fortress.
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The Bold Kobold posted:I vote for the Imperialists. I would say that the imperalists could do worse than trying to seize the straits.
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Aug 3, 2018 23:42
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Imperialists Basically everything that Patter said
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Worth pointing out that if Hannover can play the sphering game well and rip the minor north German states away from Bavaria, it could 100% form NGF now that Rhine Confederacy is no longer a French puppet.
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We take Al-Andalus from the corrupt, the rich, the oppressors of generations who have kept you down with myths of opportunity, and we give it back to you - the people. Socialists
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Aug 3, 2018 23:48
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Imperialists for a boater tomorrow
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A strong Royalist vote. Under the imperialists we suffered a humiliating defeat in Qadis. The moderates are massive pansies, alongside the socialists. Only the royalists have the best interests of Andalusia and its people at heart. We’ve been betrayed by practically every single ally we’ve had, and it’s high time we built a formidable army to minimise our dependency on these foreign scoundrels.
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Aug 4, 2018 00:09
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Moderates then back to Imperialists seem like the narrative approach as the Majils shift toward being capitalist factory/business owners rather than land owners as they exploit the land. But I'll still remain loyal to the sultan and back the royalists 
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Aug 4, 2018 00:15
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Aug 4, 2018 00:17
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Let's finish what we started! No letting up until we have Pretty Borders in Africa! Further, a strong navy is the best deterrent to another sack of Qadis! Imperialists!
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Hashim posted:Communists will never gain any degree of recognition in a monarchy, they'll only ever come to power if they overthrow the Sultan and Majlis. I’m having traumatic flashbacks to EU4. Sigh. Al Andalus is like the textbook example in this timeline of why accelerationism is a bad idea. Also, for a bunch of people in this thread that supposedly care about multiculturalism and the poor, there sure seems to be a lot of agitating for full-speed colonial expansion. I, for one, have been mostly consistent in arguing that Sunni Islam is the light and that light leads to a socialist heaven on Earth. 
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Voting Moderate.Ikasuhito posted:Just remember people... Hashim posted:There will be some colonisation under a Moderate government (there would also be some under royalists, but none under socialists)
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Don't switch horses mid-stream. Imperialists for a Second Andalusian Empire.
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Look at that! Second greatest power! Hell yeah Imperialists! Let's go get some rubber!
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Snipee posted:Also, for a bunch of people in this thread that supposedly care about multiculturalism and the poor, there sure seems to be a lot of agitating for full-speed colonial expansion. Colonial expansion brings everyone wealth. And the enlightened rule of Sultan and Majlis will surely benefit all peoples in our lands.
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Red John posted:Only the royalists have the best interests of Andalusia and its I don't mind you fishing votes, but at least be honest about it. Voting Moderates.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It seems like if you want industrialization enough to vote moderate and forego the chance at further military expansion, you might as well vote socialist and get some social reforms out of the deal. That might even be a good preparation for another royalist term to snag the rest of Iberia, pass some reforms, and you'll have a buffer against reactionary backsliding. Except you won't because they don't have nearly enough backing from the rest of the upper house to pass social reforms and there doesn't at the moment seem to be enough unrest for either the conservatives or the liberals to back social reforms either. Remind me of all the political reforms the Imperialists passed.
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Aug 4, 2018 00:57
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 Nuestros Mares! Imperialist!
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Imperialists!
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Woah time out we're somehow the second greatest power in the world? This is the weirdest drat timeline, I've gotten the impression that we've always been desperately scraping for like #7. I dunno where we got all that prestige but drat is it useful.
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Crazycryodude posted:Woah time out we're somehow the second greatest power in the world? This is the weirdest drat timeline, I've gotten the impression that we've always been desperately scraping for like #7. I dunno where we got all that prestige but drat is it useful. "A place in the sun"
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voting for the Imperialists
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This time, this time it's Imperialists.
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Crazycryodude posted:Woah time out we're somehow the second greatest power in the world? This is the weirdest drat timeline, I've gotten the impression that we've always been desperately scraping for like #7. I dunno where we got all that prestige but drat is it useful. Yep, it's mostly the prestige, pretty sure we're #1 in the world in that department atm.
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WilliamAnderson posted:"A place in the sun" That was only worth 23 prestige, really all it did was cancel out our loss from the Sack of Qadis. But we're leagues ahead of everyone on the planet except for Frangleterre, and we've even got a solid lead on them. We might not have the best army or the strongest industry, but we're the cultural leaders of the human race. We must have earned all that by being the first to invent a bunch of the arts or something, Moderates proving once again to have been a really good choice. On that note, we really should get back into the Culture techs before we lose that edge. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Aug 4, 2018 |
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Aug 4, 2018 01:28
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It was mostly this, which I haven't had the chance the show off yet:
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Pah, who needs culture when you have the strongest army on the peninsula?
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Speaking of the stats, the Russian military is a total nightmare for anyone not on their side. Jesus, their military score is more than twice the nearest competitor.Hashim posted:It was mostly this, which I haven't had the chance the show off yet: Man, if Morocco and their ally of the week weren't constantly trying to annihilate us, I'd totally be up for switching to socialist and enjoying our status as the cultural and scientific capital of the world.
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The Imperialists want to sell Qadis once more to their capitalist masters. All of that money made by Andalusian banks at the expense of our people, is not only heartless, but against sharia law and God. The Royalists would ensure that all are ruled righteously, by the wise and collected, rather than the callous and aspirational.
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Hashim posted:It was mostly this, which I haven't had the chance the show off yet: Suck it crusaders, you had like a million years living in the area, but you never even figured out where the river went!
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Hashim posted:It was mostly this, which I haven't had the chance the show off yet: Ah, yeah, that's a rather critical piece of information.
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Hashim posted:It was mostly this, which I haven't had the chance the show off yet: But we would still have the second highest prestige and second overall rank without this though. Did we also get a lot of prestige from our numerous successful wars, colonial exploits, investment in the arts, or what exactly?
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Snipee posted:But we would still have the second highest prestige and second overall rank without this though. Did we also get a lot of prestige from our numerous successful wars, colonial exploits, investment in the arts, or what exactly? You can't pinpoint any one thing, it's just the result of our policies so far, with the moderate's pursuit of cultural advancements, the early prestige techs, the fact that we haven't lost a war yet, and custom events all playing their part.
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Imperialists It's absolutely critical to have another term of Imperialism in Africa, and to shore up our navy.
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