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Dolphin posted:https://twitter.com/davecclarke/status/1025441547016433664
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Aug 3, 2018 19:21
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Iron Twinkie posted:The context was those lanyard types carrying water for Charles Murray, a man that argued we shouldn't provide any services to the poor because it would only encourage them to breed and that immigrants were inherently intellectually inferior to their native born American counterparts. They are fascists they just haven't come out of the closet yet. Do you have any examples of these Trump thread people liking Charles Murray? That seems a little much even for them.
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Aug 3, 2018 19:25
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Where can I place a bet that Doug Jones votes yea on Kavanaugh?
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Aug 3, 2018 19:36
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Ytlaya posted:Do you have any examples of these Trump thread people liking Charles Murray? That seems a little much even for them. Was basing this second hand. Actually digging through the cursed thread, it was mostly just one guy whose now sitting in cat prison for the next 30 days. So I over stepped on that. Tacier posted:That quotation from the Southern Poverty Law Center is a good example of why they’re no longer a credible resource for identifying racists and bigots. For example, that snippet led you to believe he wants to strip away all government assistance to the poors when in fact he’s a huge proponent of a Universal Basic Income (I don’t think a UBI is sufficient to replace all our existing entitlement programs, but that’s beside the point).
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Aug 3, 2018 19:41
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drat I didn't know he had Ezra Klein's vaunted Seal of Approval. Just ordered my skull calipers from Amazon, hell yeah 2 day delivery gonna do some race science
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Aug 3, 2018 21:46
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Ezra Klein hasn't been cool since he called Lieberman a loving murderer during the Obamacare poo poo
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Aug 3, 2018 22:15
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Majorian posted:That only happened after Dubya had been out of office for years. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and all that. No #Resistance types are voting for Trump; they may well stay home like the pouting toddlers they are, though. (or, as WL said, write in Zuckerberg) They'll vote Bloomberg, who will receive wall to wall coverage with people from the west wing in ads for him talking about how America needs an adult in the room, Trump wins with 435 Bernie with 42, and Bloomeberg with ten perecent.
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Aug 4, 2018 00:32
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Bernie would loving annihilate Trump and Bloomberg. Kind of the whole reason Hillary lost is that Bernie is strong on all the issue she's weak at, while it turns out Sensible Centrist lanyards don't exist in any meaningful numbers, and Bloomberg is basically Trump without Trump's strengths.
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Aug 4, 2018 04:07
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Bernie would loving annihilate Trump and Bloomberg. Kind of the whole reason Hillary lost is that Bernie is strong on all the issue she's weak at, while it turns out Sensible Centrist lanyards don't exist in any meaningful numbers, and Bloomberg is basically Trump without Trump's strengths. Bernie in 2020 will be a very different candidate from we saw in 2016. He was too nice. The gloves come off for the clown car and a more active left wing.
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Aug 4, 2018 04:11
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I actually kind of want to see Bloomberg run just to make Jeb look like a runaway train. I'm pretty sure anyone dumb enough to vote for him at this point is already on a lock for Trump. As mentioned above, I'm sure a good chunk of the #StillWithHer crowd will PUMA their way into voting Trump or whatever third party candidate, but as demonstrated in 2008 and 2016, they barely exist outside of twitter.
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Aug 4, 2018 04:12
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Matt Zerella posted:Bernie in 2020 will be a very different candidate from we saw in 2016. He was too nice. The gloves come off for the clown car and a more active left wing.
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Aug 4, 2018 14:34
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Dolphin posted:Bernie can be about as intimidating as a Shar Pei. It's not about intimidating people. It's about him not pulling his punches like he did against Hillary.
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Aug 4, 2018 14:49
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Bernie loving terrifies rich people.
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Aug 4, 2018 15:49
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i hope when bernie dies he becomes like freddie krueger for rich people
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Condiv posted:i hope when bernie dies he becomes like freddie krueger for rich people
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Aug 4, 2018 16:16
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Dolphin posted:Bernie can be about as intimidating as a Shar Pei. And yet he singlehandedly sunk the campaign of the rightful ruler and most qualified presidential candidate of all time... 
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Aug 4, 2018 18:10
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Lots of laughs if you oppose Bernie.
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Aug 4, 2018 18:30
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Don't get me wrong, Bernie is cool and good. It's just he's more, sit on his lap and hear a cool story about the magical lands of socialism than quiver in fear as he threatens to seize the means of production And I know that's communism, shut the gently caress up
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Aug 4, 2018 18:49
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Matt Zerella posted:Bernie in 2020 will be a very different candidate from we saw in 2016. He was too nice. The gloves come off for the clown car and a more active left wing. Plus the fact that he won't have any compunction against brutalizing establishment favorites.
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Aug 4, 2018 20:35
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Dolphin posted:And I know that's communism, shut the gently caress up Seizing the means of production is socialism.
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Aug 4, 2018 21:15
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Falstaff posted:Seizing the means of production is socialism. Shut the gently caress up anyway. I'm disappointed in myself but I'm mostly disappointed in you.
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Aug 5, 2018 02:54
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Dolphin posted:Don't get me wrong, Bernie is cool and good. It's just he's more, sit on his lap and hear a cool story about the magical lands of socialism than quiver in fear as he threatens to seize the means of production That's a perfectly fine thing for him to be. It's up to the rest of us to be scary.
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Aug 5, 2018 04:07
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I don't know - it's not like Bernie hasn't had some supremely disappointing moments even up to very recently with ICE. It feels like that might be a warm-up for 2020 when he loses the plot completely. He's no Corbyn, that's for sure. But he's the best we've got that I know of.
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Aug 5, 2018 06:32
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I don't know - it's not like Bernie hasn't had some supremely disappointing moments even up to very recently with ICE. It feels like that might be a warm-up for 2020 when he loses the plot completely. And that will be a weakness in a modern American election because...?
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Aug 5, 2018 06:50
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I don't know - it's not like Bernie hasn't had some supremely disappointing moments even up to very recently with ICE. It feels like that might be a warm-up for 2020 when he loses the plot completely. Bernie was never perfect, nor was he ever a political genius. What made him great was one simple thing: he was willing to say the things that everyone else was being paid a lot of money to not say.
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Aug 5, 2018 07:49
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I hope Bernie runs so we get to witness a parade of disingenuous liberals who spend half a million dollars to live in whites-only neighborhoods spout that his radical communist proposals of 5% increases in top marginal tax rates to increase public services to almost-first-world are a delusional Stalinist measure that could never pass and should never because it would crush the hardworking middle class barely scraping by on mere 6 figure incomes barely 4x the median. Of course this will be followed up by calling out the white fragility of Berniebros despite being the most popular candidate among women, minorities, and every demographic sans literal nazis and anti-racists clamoring for some hedge fund ghoul fished out of a Manhattan sewer who threaten to vote for Trump if the purity-testers of the party try to punish their success. We can even make a drinking game where you take a shot every time bourgeois liberals start sliding into solidarity with fascists when it comes to cynically defending their property interests propped up by racist state and federal policy designed to continue segregation for the gentry via subsidizing them at cost to the dispossessed . It'll be very inclusive, since even if you don't want to participate in the drinking game, you'll still be holding back swallowing your own vomit as you watch vile demons murder human decency and cackle while wearing its skin as a mask in self-fellating masquerade to feed their obscene gluttony. Although Rump not being president would be preferable, there's some tiny shred of satisfaction in having seen a major figure who could only win a single election while married to a sitting president in a race without an actual opponent, think they could be rehabilitated by going on an episode of Ellen to make up for a lifetime of participating in the dismantling of welfare, ratcheting up the drug war, attacking the vulnerable, minorities, the poor, single mothers, and gay people when politically convenient, lose to the first black president after a campaign of racist slander and a bizarre last minute musing on possible assassinations. Followed up by (kind of) losing not to a once in a lifetime historical-event candidate, but the absolute humiliation that despite decades building a national political presence and patronage network of a party machine, to be less wanted than the most pathetic disgusting boorish coked up senile reality TV trash huckster to have ever run for office. Even after that fiasco, its become clear that the capitalist interests that have steadily seized the party since the decline of unions are actively doubling down on purging anything to the left of anti-racist Reaganomics. Maybe all of this had to happen, that Trumps win was an inevitable reflection of a culture that's seen its hopes for better days crushed. After we saw what the DNC was offering for continuing the status quo, as a nation we weren't voting for a leader, we were voting for the song of death to be played, and Trump didn't hesitate to blew into the whiskey jug, heralding worthless mummified industry conduits in congress being replaced by strings of washed up TV and music celebrities. But goddamn it, if the old man with the burning eyes runs again, I'll volunteer again gritting my teeth and politely explaining what century we live in to brain dead morons incapable of the most basic due diligence of living in a democracy.
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Aug 5, 2018 09:47
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And that will be a weakness in a modern American election because...? Because being against the abolishment of ICE is morally wrong. The radical position should be: "everyone involved in ICE goes to prison for crimes against humanity." The milquetoast centrist position is that it must be dissolved.
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Aug 5, 2018 13:08
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PT6A posted:Because being against the abolishment of ICE is morally wrong. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
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Aug 5, 2018 13:24
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PT6A posted:Because being against the abolishment of ICE is morally wrong. No the centrist position is that ICE needs better management
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Aug 5, 2018 14:27
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The dumbest thing about the centrist position is, as usual, it has just as much of a chance of passing Republicans as the leftist solution which is zero. It's framed as "this is the only thing that can get through a Republican congress" but it's REALLY about getting through the conservative Democrats. Additionally the stupid argument gets pushed that as a minority, the Democrats can't ask for big things. However since any bipartisan thing that doesn't favor the Republicans has no chance you might as well ask for whatever you (theoretically) want instead of having some worthless pre-compromise that inspires no one while still riling up the racists.
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Aug 5, 2018 14:38
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The centrist position has nothing at all to do with electoral politics - they genuinely believe that our current immigration laws are fine, that an ICE-equivalent which does exactly what ICE does now is completely necessary, and that there's no point in dissolving ICE just to replace it with something that's identical in every way besides the name. ICE is the tip of the iceberg, a symptom of the problem: immigration policy in the US is badly broken in general, and it's really no surprise that racists gather in an agency whose basic purpose for existence is to prevent white Europeans from becoming too much of a minority. As people who fundamentally support the status quo and think equal rights are something to be "balanced" against the interests of jealous and angry whites, they have no intention of reforming the system - they think it's basically fine, and at most intend to just sand down the sharpest edges.
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Aug 5, 2018 17:24
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Main Paineframe posted:Bernie was never perfect, nor was he ever a political genius What the...
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A lot of liberals seem to think Bernie, and/or Corbyn for that matter, must be once-in-a-generation charismatic speakers with cults of personality to have the support they do, because it can't possibly be that they're actually addressing people's problems and frustrations, they must be freak outliers with cults of personality, with their actual rhetoric being nothing but silly populist fluff. Obviously, this is strong projection.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot of liberals seem to think Bernie, and/or Corbyn for that matter, must be once-in-a-generation charismatic speakers with cults of personality to have the support they do, because it can't possibly be that they're actually addressing people's problems and frustrations, they must be freak outliers with cults of personality, with their actual rhetoric being nothing but silly populist fluff. Obviously, this is strong projection. seriously the two of them are both the kind of socialist who survived the long cold neoliberal dark relatively soft-spoken, play their cards extremely conservatively, and just kept saying the poo poo they were saying for forty years until suddenly people started listening, for reasons definitely unrelated to the total collapse of the Third Way
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Matt Zerella posted:It's not about intimidating people. It's about him not pulling his punches like he did against Hillary. You mean like his tacit encouragement of his supporters when they started throwing chairs during Dem primary events?
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Fulchrum posted:You mean like his tacit encouragement of his supporters when they started throwing chairs during Dem primary events? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/ i cannot believe fulchrum is spreading fake news!
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Aug 6, 2018 12:38
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Wait is that Bernie's music???
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot of liberals seem to think Bernie, and/or Corbyn for that matter, must be once-in-a-generation charismatic speakers with cults of personality to have the support they do, because it can't possibly be that they're actually addressing people's problems and frustrations, they must be freak outliers with cults of personality, with their actual rhetoric being nothing but silly populist fluff. Obviously, this is strong projection. A hilarious position considering that Berne's "charisma" is that you want to go "oh gramps" and sigh wistfully rather than actually hear him retell the same story about the 1% again. Radish posted:Wait is that Bernie's music???
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Fulchrum posted:You mean like his tacit encouragement of his supporters when they started throwing chairs during Dem primary events? we will not rest until Bernie is brought to justice for that time his supporters tricked a bunch of Clinton staffers into white-washing a fence
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