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You can tell this is evil liberal fake news because it lists JP Morgan's reason for causing the sinking of the Titanic to be killing opposition to the Federal Reserve. In reality, he had it sunk to attempt to hide the existence of an ancient warm-frozen Egyptian princess who can be revived with the right equipment and return to her dominion over the Levant in the right hands.
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fishmech posted:You can tell this is evil liberal fake news because it lists JP Morgan's reason for causing the sinking of the Titanic to be killing opposition to the Federal Reserve. In reality, he had it sunk to attempt to hide the existence of an ancient warm-frozen Egyptian princess who can be revived with the right equipment and return to her dominion over the Levant in the right hands.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:right hands = jews = federal reserve, though. it's all there. the general rule of thumb is: if someone REALLY wants the blood that’s inside of your body, and they’re like… a vampire, or a dracula, or some sort of mansquito, then that’s probably okay. a dracula and a mansquito are made for removing things like blood and swords from inside your body. that’s basically fine. if something wants to get at your blood, and they’re, say, some kind of murdersaurus, or maybe a really big frog, that’s where the problems start to arise. a really frog is not made for removing blood, and your blood knows this, which is why it is so vehement about wanting to stay IN your body instead of coming out. unfortunately this will not deter a really big frog, because a really big frog is full of things like prizes, and value, and quite a lot of hatred, and it would REALLY rather like to replace any and all of those things with your blood, and basically by any means possible. where we go one we go JAIL 3872 39 867 -Q Doesn't that latest drop make perfect sense now and show the error of your ways??
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If you look at the thumbnail without your glasses on it's a white teddy bear wearing a red eye patch, green bikini top and orange bottom. E: sitting in a puddle of piss i am harry fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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Jagged Jim posted:I wonder what's going on with that group that group that found that "Child Trafficking Camp" in Tuscon. Consider myself very well versed in conspiracy lore. But I have to admit this is the first time I've seen "Islam: Created by the Vatican".
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i am harry posted:If you look at the thumbnail without your glasses on it's a white teddy bear wearing a red eye patch, green bikini top and orange bottom.
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I have kind of a big picture question. Although it seems kind of silly, because a lot of it seems to be purely about stylistics. When I was around 17 years old, in the mid to late 1990s, I first heard of the Principia Discordia. This was the mid 1990s, so the internet was just starting to kick up. Basically, I had a friend who had a friend who had an internet connection, and had found out about this thing called "Discordianism", that was full of weird jokes and bizarre conspiracy theories and basically wanted to turn reality on its ear. One day, I got a package in the mail from my friend, opened it up, and I had my first copy of the Principia Discordia. It was one of the Loompanics vintage, I think it was used, and it had odd typesetting, looked like it had been published in someone's garage (which it probably was), and it was something that even explaining what it was to an "outsider" was pretty difficult. And that was part of the appeal of the entire thing, is that just in terms of style, all this conspiracy stuff looked so different than the type of books you got at B Dalton's. Between about 1997 and 2000, I followed a lot of conspiracy theory stuff. (In retrospect, I don't know how much of it I believed, like now I believe that I think most of it was me psyching myself up to believe weird stuff but knowing on some level it was just a joke, but maybe as a teenager I did believe there was literally an Agartha). And for me, part of the appeal was the hunt. I lived in Portland so I would go to Reading Frenzy and buy zines, and try to figure out what the Church of the Subgenius was, and how it related to Discordianism, etc. Like the entire point of all this "non-mainstream" stuff was not just the content, but that in going to find it, I had to leave the "normal" world of impersonal, sanitized and predictable media, and find something handwritten and xeroxed, etc. In 1998, I got internet of my own for my first time, in my college dorm room, and in a world where search engines were still new and social media was non-existent, I would find odd little webpages with odd information, etc. Like someone's geocities page where they explained that The X-Files was real. Or where they *would* explain it, but when you clicked on the link, you just went to a page with an "Under Construction" banner. So I guess for me, in my late teens and very early 20s, part of what made conspiracy theories appeal to me was that not just in substance, but in form, it had this kind of liminal aspect to it. It was rough, unfinished, hard to access, and the very act of searching for it made me feel that I was leaving the "safe" world of my childhood. So I guess what I don't understand about the QAnon people is not that they can believe such weird things, but that they believe such weird things in such a sanitized world. Like, I am sure that there are some people who are literally living on the edge, but a lot of what I seem to see, seem to be pretty standard middle or lower middle-class people. Based on general Trump demographics, and what profiles I have seen (The article about the supporter who worked in college administration), these are probably exurban boomers who are relatively well-off financially, and probably have stable long term jobs. And whose world is probably a combination of office parks, snout homes, and Applebees. So for me, its not weird that someone can believe that Bohemian Grove is where aliens consume adrenochrome to maintain their human forms, or whatever we believe this week. Its weird that someone can believe that while they are reading their twitter feed at Applebee's and waiting for their appetizer plate to arrive.
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Yea, conspiracy theory stuff is fun when not taken seriously, and about UFOs, or the Knights Templar building the oak island money pit. The danger is like going too deep and when it start to make sense, probably time to take a breather. When it's connected to something as personal as politics, and has the bonus of explaining why your president isn'y actually an idiot man child... You want that stuff pure strain all the time Ambitious Spider fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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glowing-fish posted:I have kind of a big picture question. Although it seems kind of silly, because a lot of it seems to be purely about stylistics. There was a thing where everyone in the Victorian period apparently got really dumb and you could cut a fairy out of a book and take a picture of it and sir Conan Doyal would defend it as real forever or you could tell someone you could talk to ghosts through your toes or using radium and become rich with what seemed like bafflingly obvious fraud. And it was because society was changing so fast right then people heard of all sorts of new things that sounded impossible or were totally different shocking new ideas, so some people went bonkers not being clear what was or wasn’t real. Even smart people.
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alpha_destroy posted:There is an even bigger crazier one further down the twitter thread. It's a masterpiece. I'm Vrill society dril society No wait I'm 
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Illuminti posted:Consider myself very well versed in conspiracy lore. But I have to admit this is the first time I've seen "Islam: Created by the Vatican". According to Jack Chick, the Vatican created Islam, Nazism AND Communism! glowing-fish posted:So I guess what I don't understand about the QAnon people is not that they can believe such weird things, but that they believe such weird things in such a sanitized world. Like, I am sure that there are some people who are literally living on the edge, but a lot of what I seem to see, seem to be pretty standard middle or lower middle-class people. Based on general Trump demographics, and what profiles I have seen (The article about the supporter who worked in college administration), these are probably exurban boomers who are relatively well-off financially, and probably have stable long term jobs. And whose world is probably a combination of office parks, snout homes, and Applebees. I've been reading conspiracy theory forums for 20 years. The average person who gets into it is old, well-off, socially isolated, estranged from family, terminally bored and has the need for the world to be more interesting than it really is. It's the absolute ennui of their lives that drives them to believe in insane conspiracy theories.
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I think its because the Internet itself is a liminal space. When you're on Twitter with the gang it matters way less that you're also at Margarita Mondays. A lot of these people don't have much going on besides the Qult as far as hobbies. If you spend three hours extremely online vs watching television you walk away with a feeling of accomplishment. After all, you spent that time with people who understand you and want the same thing you do, an end to the global Cabal. Also, welcome back.
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Mantis42 posted:The idea was out there. Really? Nobody? 
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The Phlegmatist posted:I've been reading conspiracy theory forums for 20 years. The average person who gets into it is old, well-off, socially isolated, estranged from family, terminally bored and has the need for the world to be more interesting than it really is. It's the absolute ennui of their lives that drives them to believe in insane conspiracy theories. I think a lot of conspiracy theories grow up from something "reasonable" but wrong having a long standing community and the friction that comes from that hitting truth and a lot of desperate haphazard patching taking it's own life. Like I knew a girl that was homeschooled and believed in creationism. creationism is wrong, but it's a widely held belief, she didn't make it up or anything. It was taught widely for hundreds of years, it's a wrong belief but wasn't particularly 'stupid' for a long time. But she also had this thing where dog breeding was a scam, like, someone somewhere had all the breeds of dogs locked up already and was just hoarding them to release them slowly to make more money. And that is an absolutely bonkers idea that requires a hilariously massive global conspiracy to enact. It's SUCH a crazy idea. Thinking of the mechanics of it is hilarious. But it obviously came out of the friction for 'knowing' evolution was made up, and that trait selection in dogs at some point was posed as a question against creationism so the 6000 year old dog warehouse has to exist. And it's easy to imagine how many other entities you'd need to come up with to explain the mechanics of the dog warehouse being secret or operating for thousands of years. But it grew out of the actual important to them creationism part. I think a lot of conspiracy works that way. If you could actually wash away all the layers there is one "real" thing they think, and everything else is just increasingly rickety support structure to hold it up as the real world chips away at it. Like the creationism part was the part she cared about and needed to be true, the dog warehouse just had to exist to support that so it's how she explained one aspect of the world that questioned creationism.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:tag yourself, I'm techno-luciferianism Secret ET Treaties
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McGlockenshire posted:https://twitter.com/TAPAlerts/status/1026225980791246848 yeah it starts corny, but gets good in the second half very excited about anonymous attacking q
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so what the gently caress, did posobiec ever uncover q or did he get scared of the blowback?
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Sir Tonk posted:yeah it starts corny, but gets good in the second half I'll believe it when I see it; these things either go off massively or land like a wet fart.
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OAquinas posted:I'll believe it when I see it; these things either go off massively or land like a wet fart. Usually the latter. 4chan stuff runs on enthusiasm, and they tend to lose focus easily.
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Sir Tonk posted:so what the gently caress, did posobiec ever uncover q or did he get scared of the blowback? Meanwhile Buzzfeed thinks Q is a leftist prank because it sounds kind of like the plot of an Italian anarchist novel from the 1990s: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/its-looking-extremely-likely-that-qanon-is-probably-a To be fair the authors seem to agree with them. Luigi's Discount Porn Bin fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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Ratoslov posted:Usually the latter. 4chan stuff runs on enthusiasm, and they tend to lose focus easily. I have to think the fairly steady flow of Q-morons stumbling into 4chan and interrupting their anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim hate fest circlejerk has to be worth a bit of motivation.
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The Trump era has basically thrown everyone in a dangerous and confusing world, even the people who clamor for him to create even more chaos. Nothing makes any loving sense right now, whatever your political orientation, so if you lack a particularly coherent political framework for understanding the world, QAnon probably makes as much sense as anything else.
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If Q is just one long running leftist prank it would be both amazing and scary because we’d see the Qult find excuses as to why clearly those are DEEP STATE agents trying to discredit Q then some actual right wing nut would pick up Qs tripcode and might Direct the Qult to do some very bad poo poo
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This gives them community they otherwise dont have. People need community in the same way they need food. Plus finding patterns is fun and tickles reward centers, even if they are fake.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:If Q is just one long running leftist prank it would be both amazing and scary because we’d see the Qult find excuses as to why clearly those are DEEP STATE agents trying to discredit Q then some actual right wing nut would pick up Qs tripcode and might Direct the Qult to do some very bad poo poo This always happens: look at crop circles. They were demonstrably the work of two guys who documented everything, but they only became more popular once the dudes explained what they’d done. And they were widely believed by ufo nuts to be disinformation.
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Surprising no one but deranged boomers, 4chan is beginning to claim that Q anon was a massive hoax done on boomer Trump voters for fun. I'm sure the boomers will have a very measured and insightful response to this great joke! ( taking bets on if a channer ends up lynched by deranged boomers because of this, Foucault style)
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TulliusCicero posted:Surprising no one but deranged boomers, 4chan is beginning to claim that Q anon was a massive hoax done on boomer Trump voters for fun. Hopefully it will be reflected in a split between the /pol/ teens and racist boomers who do the nazi marches.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:
And this gets back to a part of Prester Jane's taxonomy I really believe in: the internal narrative and the external narrative. So the external narrative of QAnon believers could be disproved, bit by bit, but it is just going to regrow and shift, because the external narrative is not important. So what is the internal narrative? I think the internal narrative is basically "I am special, I know things that other people don't know, things that make me unique but at the same time give me a sense of group solidarity", and with the corollary that "My life isn't as boring as it seems". This is all just guessing, so ignore it if you want, but to me an even bigger change than the internet was the "big boxing" of most suburbs and exurbs. Most boomers live in a world that is very standard, that is defined by big highways, big box stores and mass media & corporations that spend all their time trying to seem like they aren't. Like there is a kind of disassociation that comes from seeing the world through a car windshield and stores that have identical layouts in every city. So here is your typical boomer, who only vaguely remembers what it was like to live in a community, and who probably works for either a multinational corporation or a large health care organization. They are totally car dependent, their lifestyle revolves around supply chains that go to China and Saudi Arabia, and they don't have any practical way to reconnect with their community. So instead of taking any sort of practical steps to live a life outside of an alienating, globalized world, they have this relief valve of inventing a gigantic conspiracy theory where the entire world around them is going to change...but of course, even after Traditional America has been restored, they will still be working as an accountant for AT&T, and they will still be able to buy a toaster at Walmart at 3 AM, and, despite the Vatican having been transported away to the Cydonia region of Mars when they USMC finally closed in, they will still be able to go to Saint James hospital to renew their Lipitor prescription. I mean, obviously this is dealing with stereotypes, but I guess my central thesis is: QAnon is a psychological relief valve for people to deal with the alienation of globalization by positing a gigantic ending to it, rather than developing any real world steps to live an alternative way.
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glowing-fish posted:And this gets back to a part of Prester Jane's taxonomy I really believe in: the internal narrative and the external narrative. I don't think it's really that. It's more that like, everyone probably thinks some number of wrong things. But you get conspiracy as like a pearl that grows around a thing only under particular conditions. Like you need a tightly held belief AND a constant friction against it. If that girl was 200 years ago no one would question her creationism, and if she was just dumber she'd never realize dog breeds conflicted with her belief in unchanging kinds. But she hit the absolute right conditions to require there to be a global dog warehouse because that was a necessary thing that must exist for her belief in creationism and she was smart enough to realize that, but not educated enough to realize how dumb it sounds. I think that is why a lot of smart teens love conspiracy theory. It's very half way, almost smart enough to figure it out, stuff.
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fishmech posted:You can tell this is evil liberal fake news because it lists JP Morgan's reason for causing the sinking of the Titanic to be killing opposition to the Federal Reserve. In reality, he had it sunk to attempt to hide the existence of an ancient warm-frozen Egyptian princess who can be revived with the right equipment and return to her dominion over the Levant in the right hands. 
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glowing-fish posted:So instead of taking any sort of practical steps to live a life outside of an alienating, globalized world, they have this relief valve of inventing a gigantic conspiracy theory where the entire world around them is going to change...but of course, even after Traditional America has been restored, they will still be working as an accountant for AT&T, and they will still be able to buy a toaster at Walmart at 3 AM, and, despite the Vatican having been transported away to the Cydonia region of Mars when they USMC finally closed in, they will still be able to go to Saint James hospital to renew their Lipitor prescription. This reminds me of a striking quote from a recent Washington Post Cletus Safari. For context, this old white woman had just said a long screed of unreconstructed white supremacy poo poo about race war, the Civil Rights movement, and Trump as a national savior, then followed it up with this: quote:She rubbed her sore knee, which was caked with an analgesic. These old authoritarians have absolutely no imagination whatsoever and are completely trapped by an alienated postwar mythological construction of the world. Their utopia is the same old poo poo, in no small part because they've never experienced true suffering, just unarticulated frustration and anomie.
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glowing-fish posted:So what is the internal narrative? I think the internal narrative is basically "I am special, I know things that other people don't know, things that make me unique but at the same time give me a sense of group solidarity", and with the corollary that "My life isn't as boring as it seems". While I think that this is by and large true, I think that it applies to nearly every conspiracy theory out there, not just Qanon. It's the "inner inner narrative", as it were - something that adherents don't even like admitting to themselves. Henry Zebrowski from Last Podcast on the Left summed it up best years ago, I think - Nobody wants to just be Sad, Fat Kathy, sitting on the couch and doing nothing. Your life instantly becomes a lot more interesting as soon as you think that, for instance, aliens are real and maybe, just maybe, you're going to be the one to blow the thing wide open and finally get the recognition you deserve. That's a fairly harmless example, but the same thought applies to malevolent narratives - the outer narrative is the 14 words, the inner narrative is racial holy war, and the inner inner narrative is "I'm going to be a hero and everyone is going to like me once they realize I'm right, just like in the Turner Diaries." With Qanon, I think the heart of the fantasy is "I'm going to be seated at the right hand of Trump come judgment day, and he'll publically recognize all the hard work I've done!" These people just desperately want "and then everyone around me stood up and clapped for me" stories from old email chains to actually happen to them. It's what is largely what's driving their radicalization - their belief that, if they keep following this path, they're eventually going to get the recognition they deserve, in some form or another.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:While I think that this is by and large true, I think that it applies to nearly every conspiracy theory out there, not just Qanon. It's the "inner inner narrative", as it were - something that adherents don't even like admitting to themselves. in true conspiracy theory style the narrativist theory is always right no matter what and explains everything on earth while making no predictions you can verify.
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