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Michael Transactions
Nov 11, 2013

Been doing this for a year and feel like I'm getting worse :(

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CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


spb posted:

Been doing this for a year and feel like I'm getting worse :(

Your ability to self-evaluate has improved.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


spb posted:

Been doing this for a year and feel like I'm getting worse :(

Roll a brand new white belt and get back to us. Trust me, you know more than you think.

It's possible that you're power level isn't going up as fast as your peer group, but trust me, you're still learning things.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Drewjitsu posted:

Roll a brand new white belt and get back to us. Trust me, you know more than you think.

It's possible that you're power level isn't going up as fast as your peer group, but trust me, you're still learning things.

This. I felt like I was moving really slowly, then I rolled with a guy on his second week and everything was easy. I probably swept him close to a dozen times in one round and caught my first bow and arrow choke ever on an actually resisting opponent.

ihop
Jul 23, 2001
King of the Mexicans

spb posted:

Been doing this for a year and feel like I'm getting worse :(

Good news is that feeling will only last a couple more years, then only intermittently after that.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


L0cke17 posted:

This. I felt like I was moving really slowly, then I rolled with a guy on his second week and everything was easy. I probably swept him close to a dozen times in one round and caught my first bow and arrow choke ever on an actually resisting opponent.

Exactly. It's very very hard to self-evaluate your progress against other people who are also progressing around the same rate as yourself. Don't ever lose hope. :unsmith:

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

The strength program I’ve used is Tactical Barbell. Yes, the name is horrifying but it’s a very simple, straightforward program similar to starting strength but with more periodization, specifically designed to achieve decent strength results without ruining other workout or training you’re doing (hence, “tactical” though ugh that word).

It’s not really any more complicated than 5x5 or SS. 5x5 is just a crap SS ripoff, and I like TB over SS because the periodization seems to give better results and the lifts overall end up being easier on me most weeks. It’s pretty modular and scalable, a lot more so than most popular programs.

Though it’s lame the guy wants you to pay for the pdf because there a plenty of equally good programs out there. If you can get a hold of it for free Id say give it a look.

5/3/1 is another good program too, and totally free afaik

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

spb posted:

Been doing this for a year and feel like I'm getting worse :(

Pretty much how I feel every few months lol

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

SpaceSDoorGunner posted:

It’s not really any more complicated than 5x5 or SS. 5x5 is just a crap SS ripoff, and I like TB over SS because the periodization seems to give better results and the lifts overall end up being easier on me most weeks. It’s pretty modular and scalable, a lot more so than most popular programs.

I actually started with SS for about a year. I switched to 5x5s because I didn't want to do Cleans and 5x5s had rows

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

spb posted:

Been doing this for a year and feel like I'm getting worse :(

Like, its weird, because on one hand I definitely havent tapped anybody in awhile, but I also am not getting tapped as easily. Right now my psychological goal is to just maintain position, fight the submission, and try for a sub myself only if I am in a very comfortable position. I know I can't be purely defensive forever, but I feel like there is an advantage in learning to protect yourself over everything else

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

spb posted:

Been doing this for a year and feel like I'm getting worse :(

As everyone else said, roll with guys brand new to the gym and you'll immediately feel how much more technical you are by comparison.

Nestharken
Mar 23, 2006

The bird of Hermes is my name, eating my wings to make me tame.

Mekchu posted:

As everyone else said, roll with guys brand new to the gym and you'll immediately feel how much more technical you are by comparison.

Doesn't even have to be total newbies. Pop in at an open mat at a different gym sometime and see how much better your A-game works against someone your own level who hasn't had months of practice at defending it.

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Nestharken posted:

Doesn't even have to be total newbies. Pop in at an open mat at a different gym sometime and see how much better your A-game works against someone your own level who hasn't had months of practice at defending it.

Eh. That's a toss up of getting hemmed up and feeling horrible or executing your game and feeling great. At least gauging versus new guys you'll see how much farther you've progressed.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
I rolled with Levi Jones-Leary yesterday, he's was virtually unshiftable from any position he decided to hold. Won nearly everything at brown belt this year, and he manhandled our competitive brown belt even though he's 10kg lighter. Now he has his black he's one to watch. His next competition is going to be the LA Pro.

old.flv
Jan 28, 2017

A good lad who likes his Anna's.
One funny thing that happens is that as you train you learn to play the game with your own limited set of tools instead of just blindly grappling and this leads to getting swept and submitted more since your partners can actually read your intentions.


For a while at least, as you develop your bjj language you do actually get worse at it.

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.
I wanted to follow up on the strength and conditioning discussion. Despite some exceptional grapplers such as Marcelo deemphasizing separate strength and conditioning work, the vast majority of elite grapplers and MMA competitors do serious strength and conditioning training. For example at our gym, people not only lift seriously but they work with outside s&c coaches and facilities including in the past Martin Rooney, Sports Science Lab, Parisi Speed School etc. It's not just bro-lifting but serious focused s&c training with external consultants specifically for MMA/grappling competition. Here is one of our young teens Rayron Gracie, son of the late Ryan Gracie, working with Sport Science Lab. (I don't understand anything in the video. I'm just a bro-powerlifter).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INXp-NlhjkE

Odddzy
Oct 10, 2007
Once shot a man in Reno.
One of the biggest hurdles I have in the sport is the fact I never know whom to turn to when it comes to advice and continuous training when it comes to performance. I went to a trainer once and didn't trust the guy knew what he was talking about so itched the program he was offering. What is something that I should be aware of when looking for Strength and Conditioning Coaching?

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

spb posted:

Been doing this for a year and feel like I'm getting worse :(

This was me three years ago, then I discover how horrible depressed I was and things got better :unsmith:

Michael Transactions
Nov 11, 2013

ElMaligno posted:

This was me three years ago, then I discover how horrible depressed I was and things got better :unsmith:

So you're saying I need therapy?

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Any of you guys using Danaher's back control stuff?

My instructor has been viewing it and sharing parts of what he's learned in class. I've already found it incredibly useful. I've changed by grips away from the traditional seatbelt (which I never much liked anyway) and instead use a choking arm and an arm to control one of my opponent's arms. I also focus heavily on using my head to control my opponent's.

I one-arm RNC'd a guy last week, normally this would happen by fluke or if my opponent was super green. But my instructor submits the lot of us with a single arm on a regular basis, its wild.

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



stop the fucking fight, cornerman, your dude is fucking done and is about to be killed.

spb posted:

So you're saying I need therapy?

Lol, I think you're just in one of those periods in your training where it's hard to gauge your improvement (and may feel like you're getting worse) a friend of mine said that feeling lasted nearly the entirety of his time at purple belt.

Or you could be massively depressed. Probably the first thing.

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

Count Roland posted:

Any of you guys using Danaher's back control stuff?
Uhhhhh yes considering that he's my instructor. I know we're considered a leg lock factory but we do a lot of other work including that unconventional back control.

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.
If anyone is interested in taking an awesome 4 day BJJ camp in NYC with my teammates Aaron Milam of Renzo Gracie Portland, Jin Yung of Workshop BJJ and Eddie Cummings, here is the link. All 3 are awesomely creative and technical and are incredible teachers. It will be at Workshop BJJ from October 11th-14th. I'll be there so you can meet me too although I don't know whether you guys would consider that a plus or a minus.

https://www.workshopbjj.com/nyc-camp-2018/

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



stop the fucking fight, cornerman, your dude is fucking done and is about to be killed.

Yuns posted:

If anyone is interested in taking an awesome 4 day BJJ camp in NYC with my teammates Aaron Milam of Renzo Gracie Portland, Jin Yung of Workshop BJJ and Eddie Cummings, here is the link. All 3 are awesomely creative and technical and are incredible teachers. It will be at Workshop BJJ from October 11th-14th. I'll be there so you can meet me too although I don't know whether you guys would consider that a plus or a minus.

https://www.workshopbjj.com/nyc-camp-2018/

i wish i lived somewhere civilised

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Marching Powder posted:

i wish i lived somewhere civilised

I've been able to attend 3 seminars since I started BJJ, and two of them were just big classes taught by the people who I learn from regularly anyway. Maybe next summer I'll plan a trip around a seminar somewhere.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
Whens a good time to start on seminars? They sound great but I don't want to show up and waste everyone's time

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



stop the fucking fight, cornerman, your dude is fucking done and is about to be killed.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Whens a good time to start on seminars? They sound great but I don't want to show up and waste everyone's time

literally, literally, any time. the one seminar i did (with nathan diaz) was when i was a no stripe white belt and i still use what he taught me today.

butros
Aug 2, 2007

I believe the signs of the reptile master


Yuns posted:

If anyone is interested in taking an awesome 4 day BJJ camp in NYC with my teammates Aaron Milam of Renzo Gracie Portland, Jin Yung of Workshop BJJ and Eddie Cummings, here is the link. All 3 are awesomely creative and technical and are incredible teachers. It will be at Workshop BJJ from October 11th-14th. I'll be there so you can meet me too although I don't know whether you guys would consider that a plus or a minus.

https://www.workshopbjj.com/nyc-camp-2018/

That looks awesome - do you have any idea when registration will close? I would like to try and come for one of the weekend days but have some scheduling stuff that won't clear up till early next month.

Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.

butros posted:

That looks awesome - do you have any idea when registration will close? I would like to try and come for one of the weekend days but have some scheduling stuff that won't clear up till early next month.
No idea but I'm sure I could ask Aaron for a heads up once the deadline approaches.

Aaron and I were discussing using some time during the camp to do some technical brainstorming and move development too.

Yuns fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Aug 9, 2018

HunterDevourer
Mar 16, 2004
The Missing

EvilElmo posted:

BJJ GlobeTrotters camps... anyone been? Anyone heard what they're like? Reddit BJJ seems to think they're great.

Been to a few, taught at one - they're good fun. There's a lot of classes to pick from so it's good value. You don't generally roll each class (1hr focusing on technique) but there are lots of open mats to roll.

Most attendees are more recreational than serious competitors, but they have good vibes and there's a lot of opportunity for socialising. I've been to Leuven, Wagrain and Heidelberg.

Tacos Al Pastor
Jun 20, 2003

spb posted:

Been doing this for a year and feel like I'm getting worse :(

Everyone goes through this. Especially if you are moving on to other techniques that you are working on and you are trying to improve on those.

surivdaoreht
Jan 22, 2009

Marching Powder posted:

literally, literally, any time. the one seminar i did (with nathan diaz) was when i was a no stripe white belt and i still use what he taught me today.

what did he teach you??

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



stop the fucking fight, cornerman, your dude is fucking done and is about to be killed.

surivdaoreht posted:

what did he teach you??

how to not be a pussy

butros
Aug 2, 2007

I believe the signs of the reptile master


02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004

Congrats!

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Blue belt army. Congrats!

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
Well done

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Congrats. I'm hoping I'll get my blue belt before I'm 50.

ElMaligno
Dec 31, 2004

Be Gay!
Do Crime!

Mekchu posted:

Congrats. I'm hoping I'll get my blue belt before I'm 50.

same and I am 35 :unsmith:

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Yuns
Aug 19, 2000

There is an idea of a Yuns, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there.
Congrats!

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