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Mr.Unique-Name
Jul 5, 2002

Twelve by Pies posted:

I hadn't heard anything about Dilbertman in a while and I had no idea he went full on alt-right. I was hoping to see more tweets about Q from him, instead I got tweets where he talks about how Antifa is clearly a terrorist group, liberals are pathetic and weak, and a bunch of retweets from Cernovich.

Yeah. Scott Adams, Mike Cervovich, and Bill Mitchell are like the holy Trinity of at right figures for talking about how Trump is brilliant and leftists are the real tourists and racists.

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Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice

fishmech posted:

Like, reminder: America hasn't had congress declare a war since 1941.

June 4, 1942

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006


Dr. Arbitrary posted:

I'm sure this has come up before, but is there any reference to adrenochrome prior to Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas? I know I've heard of it as a kooky conspiracy when I was a teenager.

Well it used to be known as blood libel but that was a little too on the nose so it got changed to adrenochrome like how Jewish cabal got changed to globalist cabal. Same thing in concept in the end: secret cabal who owns governments, banks, and entertainment are stealing away white children to kill and eat. It even has Soros and the Rothchilds still involved for the same crime of “Rich while Jewish”

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Including completely unrelated people named Rothschild, like that mayor the Arizona camp people were going after.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Twelve by Pies posted:

I hadn't heard anything about Dilbertman in a while and I had no idea he went full on alt-right. I was hoping to see more tweets about Q from him, instead I got tweets where he talks about how Antifa is clearly a terrorist group, liberals are pathetic and weak, and a bunch of retweets from Cernovich.

https://twitter.com/MattBors/status/1025154961267519488

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006


His views also infected the Dilbert comic where the Boss slowly morphed into the sympathetic character as Dilbert became an unlikeable douche

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Dr. VooDoo posted:

His views also infected the Dilbert comic where the Boss slowly morphed into the sympathetic character as Dilbert became an unlikeable douche

Wasn't the original Pointy-Haired Boss just Trump, essentially?

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

I dunno i was always a fan of the one where the dad tells his kid that Muslims worship a "Moon Good!!!???" but then after the dad explains Jesus the Muslim converts.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Ague Proof posted:

Wasn't the original Pointy-Haired Boss just Trump, essentially?

Nah.

Pointy‐Haired Boss was a dick, but he had standards.

He wasn’t a rapist.

Literally Kermit
Mar 4, 2012
t

twistedmentat posted:

I dunno i was always a fan of the one where the dad tells his kid that Muslims worship a "Moon Good!!!???" but then after the dad explains Jesus the Muslim converts.

Wasn’t it like, right outside Mecca? I remember the dad and his kid more than a little over their heads on that one.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Ague Proof posted:

Wasn't the original Pointy-Haired Boss just Trump, essentially?

The primary concept of Dilbert which lasted well into the mid-90s was just "I will illustrate stories you tell me about dumb things you/your boss/your coworkers did in the office" with a side of "here's some dumb poo poo that came up at my managing job at pacific bell" before Scott Adams got popular enough in comics that he didn't have to keep being a sales manager at PacBell anymore. And even into the late 2000s a ton of the stuff was still built on reader stories that'd get mailed in, even as Scott kinda made more of distinct characters for the people that were mostly just generic placeholders beforehand.


The pointy haired boss would be the placeholder for a random fan's boss making bad decisions, split up the fan's own actions among the core workers as it made sense, etc.

Edit: Also like, consider the whole aspect of most of dilbert being "tell some other guy's story" next time Scott Adams brags about being the brain genius original thinker expert.

fishmech fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Aug 8, 2018

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NymxBt1xpro&hd=1

q streams are exactly what i wanted them to be

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story

twistedmentat posted:

I dunno i was always a fan of the one where the dad tells his kid that Muslims worship a "Moon Good!!!???" but then after the dad explains Jesus the Muslim converts.

I'm a pretty big fan of the one where the Jewish kid has never heard of Jesus and then immediately says "Why he fits all the prophecies of the Messiah perfectly!"

Literally Kermit posted:

Wasn’t it like, right outside Mecca? I remember the dad and his kid more than a little over their heads on that one.

Yeah the guy is praying and the kid asks his father what he's doing which gets the "He's praying to his moon god, son." Then the father basically says "Your religion is wrong and my religion is right" and the Muslim guy says "Wow I never considered that, I'll convert immediately." It also has some great Islamophobia in it as the Muslim guy talks about how Muslims have taken over the UK and are destroying it, and America is their next target.

Anyway, more on topic, I haven't seen this posted here so:

https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1026958836610031616

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer

I thought Michael Jackson was the only black guy who could turn white

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
I don't think it's reasonable to make big assumptions about Russian involvement in QAnon, but some comments in that tweet thread suggest this specific attack is aimed at a group that is tasked with countering Russian disinformation campaigns.

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!

Top is a true believer (here's her home-made Q t-shirt), bottom is a serial liar who both just turned 18 and yet was also a Mormon (while being black) for 19 years and is now an atheist libertarian.

Also capitalizing "white" is a huge loving dogwhistle.

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

I don't think it's reasonable to make big assumptions about Russian involvement in QAnon, but some comments in that tweet thread suggest this specific attack is aimed at a group that is tasked with countering Russian disinformation campaigns.

https://mobile.twitter.com/travis_view/status/1026998503417905153

https://mobile.twitter.com/travis_view/status/1026972238820474880

I don't know how many times this creature has to flap its wings and make quacking noises for y'all. But it seems pretty obvious to me at this point.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

Prester Jane posted:

I don't know how many times this creature has to flap its wings and make quacking noises for y'all. But it seems pretty obvious to me at this point.

I think that Q is probably some goofass people, but it's not unbelievable at all that some of the Q priesthood has ulterior motives.

TulliusCicero
Jul 29, 2017



Dr. Arbitrary posted:

I think that Q is probably some goofass people, but it's not unbelievable at all that some of the Q priesthood has ulterior motives.

Anonymous seem to think that it is some 8chan morons having a laugh, but it has spiraled out of control, and some of the priests have agendas.

For all we know Anonymous is in on the joke though too, though I personally doubt it.

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

Don Gato posted:

I thought Michael Jackson was the only black guy who could turn white

Sammy Sosa

Carnival of Shrews
Mar 27, 2013

You're not David Attenborough

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

It's the drencrom in milk plus in clockwork orange

Everything you ever wanted to know about adrenochrome (written by a man called Rothschild :tinfoil: ).

Conclusion: the notion that it's a psychedelic of astonishing potency came from a 1950's crank theory that perhaps people with schizophrenia were producing their own, in-body psychoactive drugs through some sort of metabolic mis-step. The route for this notion making its way into counterculture literature is almost certainly Huxley's 'The Doors of Perception'; the idea that it must be obtained from living human sources is a grisly flourish of Hunter S. Thompson's. Naturally, a few curious people have bought and taken the stuff to see if it gets them high: nope. One user said it gave them a splitting headache, but that may have been coincidence.

It's basically Bananadine, except with Satanic child murder instead of banana skins.

fishing with the fam
Feb 29, 2008

Durr
The internet is functionally magic to me, so pardon the most likely dumb question. But doesn't the government have the technology and resources to easily track down anyone and everyone who posts as "Q" on pretty much any platform or site?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

fishing with the fam posted:

The internet is functionally magic to me, so pardon the most likely dumb question. But doesn't the government have the technology and resources to easily track down anyone and everyone who posts as "Q" on pretty much any platform or site?

I’m sure the FBI has been watching 4chan since mass shooters have been posting there about their shootings.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


fishing with the fam posted:

The internet is functionally magic to me, so pardon the most likely dumb question. But doesn't the government have the technology and resources to easily track down anyone and everyone who posts as "Q" on pretty much any platform or site?

Unless they're using like 35 layered VPNs and posting on a hidden forum that a bot reposts to reddit or something, absolutely.

That's what's always made no goddamn sense to me about conspiracy theorists. If your knowledge is so goddamn dangerous to the powers that be, how come you've been running your yap for months without getting black bagged?

AnoHito
May 8, 2014

fishing with the fam posted:

The internet is functionally magic to me, so pardon the most likely dumb question. But doesn't the government have the technology and resources to easily track down anyone and everyone who posts as "Q" on pretty much any platform or site?

Sure, and if they break the law, 4chan will just turn over who they are like they've done before with people posting child porn. However, there's nothing illegal about posting random conspiracy nonsense online, so they're probably not going to do anything yet.

fishing with the fam
Feb 29, 2008

Durr
Cool. That's what I thought. Thank you for the responses. Just gonna set this on the giant pile of reasons why this whole thing is super dumb.

Kobayashi
Aug 13, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

Prester Jane posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/travis_view/status/1026998503417905153

https://mobile.twitter.com/travis_view/status/1026972238820474880

I don't know how many times this creature has to flap its wings and make quacking noises for y'all. But it seems pretty obvious to me at this point.

Right, some incredibly online tweets mean Russia. Your counter-conspiracy theory is dumb because it doesn’t provide any predictive power.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

Kobayashi posted:

Right, some incredibly online tweets mean Russia. Your counter-conspiracy theory is dumb because it doesn’t provide any predictive power.

I think there's a big difference between the patterns you see in a "conspiracy theory" and normal speculation.

I don't think there's good reason to believe that Russia specifically was involved, but it's plausible.

I do think that it's weird that this got pulled out of the defense bill and gained traction. Very few people read any legislation, and this one is huge, 788 pages: https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/hr5515/BILLS-115hr5515enr.pdf

Sure, it might have just been an online rando looking for the next clue in the Q ARG, but I think that it points to someone who would already have read the NDAA trying to weaponize Q against legislation they don't like.

You definitely should NOT accept any of the above as being proven fact, or uncritically include it into grander theories about what's going on.

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!
Vox analyzed the other subs that /r/greatawakening users post in. It should come as no shock to anyone that /r/The_Donald is at the top. There's a smaller but still present correlation between certain popular hate subs (CringeAnarchy, metacanada, milliondollarextreme) and GA. Roughly the same level of correlation exists for conspiracy-mocking subs, so either mockers trolling the idiots or the idiots trolling the mockers.

The real bottom line, though,

quote:

An astoundingly small number of people produce the majority of the content. About 200 users account for a quarter of the forum’s comments. These people are clearly conspiracy theorists who believe they are investigators unearthing the truth, and they spend almost all their time on Reddit investigating these theories.

Another 700 users account for the next quarter of comments. The user we followed at the top of this story is among these people. They are active in /r/greatawakening but also spend time on other subreddits.

Nearly everyone else in the subreddit — the 11,000 commenters and 42,000 lurkers — are just along for the ride.

I wouldn't be surprised if the 200 and 700 numbers are also artificially inflated. The conspiracy subs tend to host well-known sockpuppets that an outsider like the article author wouldn't know how to look for.

McGlockenshire fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Aug 8, 2018

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

fishmech posted:

You can tell this is evil liberal fake news because it lists JP Morgan's reason for causing the sinking of the Titanic to be killing opposition to the Federal Reserve. In reality, he had it sunk to attempt to hide the existence of an ancient warm-frozen Egyptian princess who can be revived with the right equipment and return to her dominion over the Levant in the right hands.

I've not heard that one before. Please tell me it's an actual conspiracy theory. :allears:

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

I've not heard that one before. Please tell me it's an actual conspiracy theory. :allears:

Think it's from Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors.

I would love for there to be an older reference though.

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

Carnival of Shrews posted:

Everything you ever wanted to know about adrenochrome (written by a man called Rothschild :tinfoil: ).

Conclusion: the notion that it's a psychedelic of astonishing potency came from a 1950's crank theory that perhaps people with schizophrenia were producing their own, in-body psychoactive drugs through some sort of metabolic mis-step. The route for this notion making its way into counterculture literature is almost certainly Huxley's 'The Doors of Perception'; the idea that it must be obtained from living human sources is a grisly flourish of Hunter S. Thompson's. Naturally, a few curious people have bought and taken the stuff to see if it gets them high: nope. One user said it gave them a splitting headache, but that may have been coincidence.

It's basically Bananadine, except with Satanic child murder instead of banana skins.

To recap,

Adrenochrome is oxidized adrenaline aka epinephrine.

Epinephrine is cheap, easily made, and common.

Smoking is a good oxidizer.

If oxidized epinephrine / adrenochrome is such a huge high, why aren’t people smoking it instead of cocaine?

Trazz
Jun 11, 2008

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors

Ah yes, Herman Cain's favorite video game

Mr.Unique-Name
Jul 5, 2002

Lote posted:

To recap,

Adrenochrome is oxidized adrenaline aka epinephrine.

Epinephrine is cheap, easily made, and common.

Smoking is a good oxidizer.

If oxidized epinephrine / adrenochrome is such a huge high, why aren’t people smoking it instead of cocaine?

No, you see, it's different when it's produced by a human body. Like how natural diamonds are completely different and worth so much more than synthetic ones.

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006


Lote posted:

To recap,

Adrenochrome is oxidized adrenaline aka epinephrine.

Epinephrine is cheap, easily made, and common.

Smoking is a good oxidizer.

If oxidized epinephrine / adrenochrome is such a huge high, why aren’t people smoking it instead of cocaine?

It’s just a by product of their main goal: being evil Satanists who want to hurt children because they are evil satanists

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Mr.Unique-Name posted:

No, you see, it's different when it's produced by a human body. Like how natural diamonds are completely different and worth so much more than synthetic ones.

Marketing? Do the satanists sell it as like part of a destination resort vacation, like diving for your own clams or something?

Mr.Unique-Name
Jul 5, 2002

business hammocks posted:

Marketing? Do the satanists sell it as like part of a destination resort vacation, like diving for your own clams or something?

That's how I see it. Or it's grimdark and the compound may be the same but it gets infused with emotions and gains potency from that.

Or it's all stupid bullshit because people want to believe that those they disagree with are as evil as it's possible for anything to be. After all, if you see your opponents as humans then it's harder to justify your rage and hatred.

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler
When you really get deep into it with a believer about how none of this poo poo makes any sense the final excuse is always "it's all part of a ritual." Same reason why the Illuminati keep dropping clues to future terrorist attacks into Simpsons episodes and YA fiction and everything has secret pentagrams on it and every false flag mass shooting has a secret second shooter. There's no logical reason why anyone would do that so instead of revisiting the idea that it's happening at all, they assume it's part of some bizarre satanic ceremony that mere mortals can't hope to understand.

Personally I blame lazy genre fiction writing that uses "ritual" as a catchall bad guy motivation / plot device. "Why did the bad guy kidnap the princess and steal the five ancient crystals? Uh ... he needed them for a ritual I guess."

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Ambitious Spider
Feb 13, 2012



Lipstick Apathy

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Think it's from Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors.

I would love for there to be an older reference though.

It's definitely older.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/everything-but-the-egyptian-sinks/

quote:



Fact Check History
Cursed Mummy on the Titanic
Did a mummy's curse send the Titanic to the bottom of the ocean?
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CLAIM: The Titanic went to a watery grave carrying a cursed mummy in its hold.


FALSE
EXAMPLE: [Collected on the Internet, 1998]


Of all tales of the supernatural, this one is perhaps the best documented, the most disturbing and the most difficult to explain . . .
The Princess of Amen-Ra lived some 1,500 years before Christ. When she died, she was laid in an ornate wooden coffin and buried deep in a vault at Luxor, on the banks of the Nile.

In the late 1890s, 4 rich young Englishmen visiting the excavations at Luxor were invited to buy an exquisitely fashioned mummy case containing the remains of Princess of Amen-Ra.

They drew lots. The man who won paid several thousand pounds and had the coffin taken to his hotel. A few hours later, he was seen walking out towards the desert. He never returned.

The next day, one of the remaining 3 men was shot by an Egyptian servant accidentally. His arm was so severely wounded it had to be amputated.

The third man in the foursome found on his return home that the bank holding his entire savings had failed. The fourth guy suffered a severe illness, lost his job and was reduced to selling matches in the street.

Nevertheless, the coffin reached England (causing other misfortunes along the way), where it was bought by a London businessman.

After 3 of his family members had been injured in a road accident and his house damaged by fire, the businessman donated it to the British Museum.

As the coffin was being unloaded from a truck in the museum courtyard, the truck suddenly went into reverse and trapped a passerby. Then as the casket was being lifted up the stairs by 2 workmen, 1 fell and broke his leg. The other, apparently in perfect health, died unaccountably two days later.

Once the Princess was installed in the Egyptian Room, trouble really started. The Museum’s night watchmen frequently heard frantic hammering and sobbing from the coffin. Other exhibits in the room were also often hurled about at night. One watchman died on duty; making the other watchmen wanting to quit. Cleaners refused to go near the Princess too. When a visitor derisively flicked a dustcloth at the face painted on the coffin, his child died of measles soon afterwards.

Finally, the authorities had the mummy carried down to the basement figuring it could not do any harm down there. Within a wk, one of the helpers was seriously ill, and the supervisor of the move was found dead on his desk.

By now, the papers had heard of it. A journalist photographer took a picture of the mummy case and when he developed it, the painting on the coffin was of a horrifying, human face. The photographer was said to have gone home then, locked his bedroom door and shot himself.

Soon afterwards, the museum sold the mummy to a private collector. After continual misfortune (and deaths), the owner banished it to the attic.

A well known authority on the occult, Madame Helena Blavatsky, visited the premises. Upon entry, she was sized with a shivering fit and searched the house for the source of an evil influence of incredible intensity; She finally came to the attic and found the mummy case.

Can you exorcise this evil spirit? Asked the owner. There is no such thing as exorcism. Evil remains evil forever. Nothing can be done about it. I implore you to get rid of this evil as soon as possible.

But no British museum would take the mummy; the fact that almost 20 people had met with misfortune, disaster or death from handling the casket, in barely 10 years, was now well known.

Eventually, a hardheaded American archaeologist (who dismissed the happenings as quirks of circumstance), paid a handsome price for the mummy and arranged for its removal to New York. In Apr 1912, the new owner escorted its treasure aboard a sparkling, new White Star liner about to make its maiden voyage to New York.

On the night of April 14, amid scenes of unprecedented horror, the Princess of Amen-Ra accompanied 1,500 passengers to their deaths at the bottom of the Atlantic. The name of the ship was of course, the H.M.S. TITANIC [sic].

ORIGINS: Sends chills down your spine, doesn’t it? Ah, but it’s only a ghost story — there never was a mummy (cursed or otherwise) on the RMS Titanic.

First of all, the tale is logically inconsistent. One of the few names quoted in this piece is that of Helena Blavatsky, a well-known occultist of the period. We’re told the dreaded Princess of Amen-Ra was purchased in Luxor, Egypt, by four foolish young Englishmen “in the late 1890s,” yet later in the same piece

Mummy

we’re informed of Helena Blavatsky’s dire pronouncements made to the private collector who supposedly had possession of the mummy right before it was shipped on the Titanic. These claims cannot both be true, because Helena Blavatsky died of influenza in 1891, but the Titanic‘s first and only voyage didn’t take place until 1912.

As for the facts of the matter, in 1985, Charles Haas, president of the national Titanic Historical Society, gained access to the ship’s cargo manifest and cargo diagrams. Though the cargo included raw feathers, linen, straw, hatter’s fur, tissue, auto parts, leather, rabbit hair, elastics, hair nets and refrigerating apparatus, not so much as one mummy was listed. Speaking to the legend that a cursed mummy was on board, Haas said, “The cargo manifest throws those myths right out the window.” Other experts have come to the same conclusion: no mummy — least of all one “of the vengeful Princess of Amen-Ra” — was shipped aboard the Titanic. (Of course, the fact that the ship’s manifest listed no gold and no insurance claims were filed for valuable gems hasn’t stopped people from believing that those objects went down with the Titanic as well.) Note that “Amen-Ra” isn’t the name of a place; it’s the name of an Egyptian god, one whose name means “the hidden one”. He was seen as the creator of all things and, with his consort Mut and their son the moon-god Khonshu, was worshipped in the great temples of Luxor and Karnak.

In fact, the mummy to which this story refers (which was actually just the coffin lid, not the mummy, of the Priestess of Amun) never left the British Museum, and it is still there to this day. So how did this fanciful tale begin?

This ghost story was concocted around the turn of the century by two Englishmen named William Stead and Douglas Murray. Stead was a well-known journalist and editor who crusaded on behalf of liberal causes and created a national scandal when he published an article entitled “The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon,” describing how he was able to purchase the services of a thirteen-year-old prostitute for £5. Stead was also a believer in mysticism and spiritualism who consulted mediums, investigated psychic phenomena, and published a related periodical. We don’t know much about Murray — he’s been described as an “Egyptologist” and as the man who shipped the mummy in question to London in the first place, although he was probably neither.

Stead and Murray crafted an elaborate horror story about a mummy that was brought to England and set up in the drawing room of an acquaintance of theirs. The morning after the mummy arrived, they claimed, everything breakable in the room was destroyed. The mummy was moved from room to room within the house, but each move resulted in the same destruction of all the breakable objects at hand.

Wherever the mummy went, it brought sickness, death and destruction to its owner. Sometime after Stead and Murray invented their mummy tale, they were visiting the First Egyptian Room of the British Museum and noticed the coffin lid of the Priestess of Amun. They concocted yet another story that the look of terror and anguish in the face depicted on the coffin lid indicated that the coffin’s original occupant was a tormented soul, and her evil spirit was now loose in the world. Stead and Murray told their fanciful tale to eager newspaper reporters who — then as now — weren’t about to let the truth get in the way of a sensationally good story. The two stories were conflated into one and spread widely, and the Priestess of Amun came to be identified as the mummy whose mortal remains wreaked havoc wherever they were stored.

This ghost story made the leap from London to the Titanic after William Stead went down with the ill-fated ship on 15 April 1912. Stead was traveling to America at President Taft’s request to address a peace conference, and he took delight in relating his “cursed mummy” tale to Titanic passengers. He reportedly defied superstition by starting his narrative at a dinner party on Friday, the 12th of April, and drew it out so that he concluded the tale just after midnight on the 13th. A few days after the Titanic‘s sinking, one of the survivors recounted Stead’s “cursed mummy” tale in an interview with the New York World, and eventually the ghost story Stead and Murray invented, Stead’s presence aboard the Titanic, and reports of Stead’s having related the mummy tale to Titanic passengers became jumbled together, producing a new legend about an actual mummy aboard the Titanic.

I had read about it in one of those books of spooky "true" facts as a kid in the 90s.

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