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Inferior Third Season posted:There are four or five episodes in all where Tuvok loses his emotional suppression for some reason. In just about all of them, he expresses a very strong desire not to go back to the way he was. Then usually Janeway forces him to. Well, there's this: https://youtu.be/yTQKyPOr8UE?t=68 But given what Tuvok is like without emotional suppression, I think Janeway forcing him to go back to the way he was is, honestly, a good move on her part.
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Epicurius posted:Well, there's this:
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Inferior Third Season posted:Janeway should have been locked in the brig for life for the pre-meditated murder of Tuvix. Yeah, I can't get behind her on the Tuvix thing. I remember, that was actually a debate I had with my roommate when the episode aired, whether she was justified in forcing the split of of Tuvix or not.
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Aug 9, 2018 01:25
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Epicurius posted:Yeah, I can't get behind her on the Tuvix thing. I remember, that was actually a debate I had with my roommate when the episode aired, whether she was justified in forcing the split of of Tuvix or not. I think Tuvok and Neelix should have had an awkward, undeniable sexual attraction to one another from that episode on.
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Aug 9, 2018 01:26
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Epicurius posted:There was a fairly good scene in Voyager of Tuvok with his emotional suppression removed. I know a lot of people in the thread aren't fond of Voyager, but Tim Russ just does a great job of making the character so...menacing, like a caged tiger. (He also kills Neelix in the episode. Unfortunately, it's just a hologram). The take I've heard that I like is that Spock and Tuvok, the two good Vulcan characters, are both defined by a single emotion lurking behind their grip of logic and emotional control. For Spock, it's sadness, a brooding melancholy and feeling that he never fit in. For Tuvok, it's anger, he is not impressed by your bullshit or amused by your antics you irritating little stupid monkey.
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Aug 9, 2018 01:29
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Aug 9, 2018 02:03
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Fuckin' hell I need that. Do you have a storefront or something?
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Aug 9, 2018 02:05
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Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun.
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Aug 9, 2018 02:09
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DrNutt posted:Fuckin' hell I need that. Do you have a storefront or something? They may take it down again but you can click it from my Redbubble profile here.
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Aug 9, 2018 02:10
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Pick posted:They may take it down again but you can click it from my Redbubble profile here. That owns. Do they take your stuff down for copyrighted characters or something?
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DrNutt posted:That owns. Do they take your stuff down for copyrighted characters or something? yep
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Aug 9, 2018 02:17
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Pick posted:yep Well Paranount/CBS need to step up their mug game then because most of the officially licensed stuff is garbage.
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Aug 9, 2018 02:19
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Is it weird that everyone on Voyager including Chakotay himself refers to him as an Indian and not Native American. I mean the show isn’t THAT old.
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Aug 9, 2018 02:40
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Holy poo poo lmao
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Windows 98 posted:Is it weird that everyone on Voyager including Chakotay himself refers to him as an Indian and not Native American. I mean the show isn’t THAT old. Given that the show’s advisor on Native American affairs was a Jewish guy from LA who had been pretending to be a Cherokee for 20+ years by that time, and had already been outed in the 80s as a bald faced liar, you can probably consider yourself lucky they don’t have him refer to himself as a savage redskin and say “how” alot. skasion fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Aug 9, 2018 |
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Windows 98 posted:Jesus these metal faced robots are creepy as gently caress. Some of their line delivery is straight from a horror film. Yeah Voyager is frequently a horror episode.
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Windows 98 posted:Is it weird that everyone on Voyager including Chakotay himself refers to him as an Indian and not Native American. I mean the show isn’t THAT old. It's about 20 years old at this point. And even now, there's not really a consensus on whether Native American or American Indian is preferred, with some people using one and others using the other.
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Aug 9, 2018 02:49
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Epicurius posted:It's about 20 years old at this point. And even now, there's not really a consensus on whether Native American or American Indian is preferred, with some people using one and others using the other. I think that one TNG episode even split the difference and went with "native american indian" which was pretty jarring rewatching it recently after kinda forgetting it existed for a decade. Tom Jackson though, I guess the CBC managed to spare him for five minutes in the mid-90s.
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Aug 9, 2018 02:56
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just where do i sign up for your subscription
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Aug 9, 2018 03:00
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I finished Voyager season 2. Still pretty drat good. Most episodes were at least good, some even great. Paris turning into a fish man was the highlight of the season I think. And for the most part the two part finale stuck the landing with the season 3 first episode. Neelix still sucks but he’s not quite as Jar Jar Binks bad that he was.
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Windows 98 posted:Aside from the god they worship they also sound like insane Christian people. Maybe I should’ve just said Religious Leonard Nimoy consciously modeled some of the aspects of Vulcan culture that he as an actor could influence, in something similar to his Jewish heritage. The famous 🖖 hand gesture is a rabbinical blessing, for example. https://nyti.ms/1DzHcL5
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Windows 98 posted:Is it weird that everyone on Voyager including Chakotay himself refers to him as an Indian and not Native American. I mean the show isn’t THAT old. A census conducted in the 90s indicated that a majority of indigenous identifying people in the US preferred Indian over Native American. It's one of the few things Voyager managed to get right about Chakotay.
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FuturePastNow posted:Everything I've seen about Discovery season 2 can be summarized as "fans hated this so we're changing it" Frankly every Trek show gets one practice season.
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Anson Mount was one of the only people who was trying on ABC’s Inhumans show and he did an admirable job on there, despite the show being slightly damp feces. It’s especially impressive considering he never spoke a word. I’m interested to see what he’ll bring to the Christopher Pike role.
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Aug 9, 2018 10:32
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:So let's say you have a gigantic, wildly successful interstellar civilization whose citizens are overwhelmingly happy (and in a genuine way, not in a "mandatory diet of psychotropic drugs" way), and you want to not be a "terrifying" "Borg-like" influence on all your neighbors. How would you do it?
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Aug 9, 2018 11:42
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Now I'm curious about what the freedom of movement is through Federation space for non-Federation members. Do they leave unsettled systems near inhabited non-Fed home systems or is it just "Hi, you can join us or do your own thing. By the way the closest unclaimed star system is 200 light years away".
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Senor Tron posted:Now I'm curious about what the freedom of movement is through Federation space for non-Federation members. Do they leave unsettled systems near inhabited non-Fed home systems or is it just "Hi, you can join us or do your own thing. By the way the closest unclaimed star system is 200 light years away". Better ask yourself how the Federation manages immigration at all. What stops billions (trillions?) of citizens from poorer empires/species to migrate to the utopian Federation, especially considering that most civilizations outside the Federation are obviously not post-scarcity societies (or have other rather horrible restrictions/problems). I guess the only logical answer to that is everyone else has to actively (and forcefully) prevent people from it.
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Piggy-backing on the freedom of movement thing, I wonder how many Fed citizens just never stop moving? Like, you've got over 8000 light years of space to wander around in and sight-see, and only one lifetime to do it in (don't @ me, trill), and apparently no money being involved. I'd constantly be travelling to see new things. A week or so here for this festival, a month at this delightful fishing village, a week at this frozen outpost, etc.
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Gonz posted:Anson Mount was one of the only people who was trying on ABC’s Inhumans show and he did an admirable job on there, despite the show being slightly damp feces. It’s especially impressive considering he never spoke a word. He could alternate between charming and brooding on Hell On Wheels pretty good which leads me to think he'd make a great Pike. LinkesAuge posted:Better ask yourself how the Federation manages immigration at all. What stops billions (trillions?) of citizens from poorer empires/species to migrate to the utopian Federation, especially considering that most civilizations outside the Federation are obviously not post-scarcity societies (or have other rather horrible restrictions/problems). "Folks, we're gonna build a Galactic Barrier, it's gonna be a strong Barrier, a beautiful Barrier, and we will make the Klingons pay for it!"
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I think the problem with Tuvok was that the way Spock became an interesting character was to have him "lose his powers" every 3 episodes. Which stretched plausibility already, but it did make for interesting explorations of emotion vs. logic and all that. But then Tuvok was basically the same character. But you can't just do the same thing where he gets messed up every 3 episodes, because it's been done to death. So as a result he was just kind of boring. Data was already dangerously close to a retread of that, but there were still a lot of new things to explore with him not being a biological life form. But another Vulcan just didn't leave much room for anything other than "I remember that from Spock!" T'Pol on Enterprise was slightly better because she also had the angle of being a way to explore how Vulcans viewed the early federation. But "I'm a Vulcan" on its own is not an interesting character anymore. Also re: having no money in the Federation, I feel like 90% of our evidence of that is Kirk's line to the '80s Earth lady in Star Trek IV. (I'm tired and can't remember her name.) Even in early TNG, the most Roddenberry-hippie-utopia of all Trek, they don't seem totally devoid of money. (I can't remember specific examples but I could swear they've referenced having some form of money.) Kirk's line might be outdated, oversimplified for the sake of an '80s lady, or just plain inaccurate because of whoever wrote it.
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I remember back in the day they said they were looking at classic cars for inspiration for discovery.
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Sir Lemming posted:I think the problem with Tuvok was that the way Spock became an interesting character was to have him "lose his powers" every 3 episodes. Which stretched plausibility already, but it did make for interesting explorations of emotion vs. logic and all that. But then Tuvok was basically the same character. But you can't just do the same thing where he gets messed up every 3 episodes, because it's been done to death. So as a result he was just kind of boring. Tuvok has a lot less respect and patience for human values. He's far less likely to playfully spar with crew members the way Spock did with Bones -- like compare that relationship to Tuvok's relationship with Chakotay, where the hostility and insults are just... not jokes. Whereas Spock's role as Science Officer makes him combine logic and curiosity (his common response is "fascinating"), Tuvok's role as security officer makes him much more into looking inward and gradual self-improvement. Whereas Spock's logic is sort of stoic and he uses it to help him just go with it and enjoy the ride with a slight ironic smile, Tuvok uses it in a constant struggle to repress the fuckload of anger he feels.
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MikeJF posted:I remember back in the day they said they were looking at classic cars for inspiration for discovery. "Mr. Scott! We don't care what you do on your own time, but put that away during staff meetings!"
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"Star Trek VI Suite" came up on shuffle and man, I feel like there hasn't been a bombastic Trek score of that caliber ever since. J.J. Trek scores were competent but they didn't really stick with me... I'm sure that "being 12 years old" worked in the old stuff's favor, but I also feel there's been a genuine trend away from "distinctive" film scores these days. Generations was good but it had to grow on me tbh, and of course the remaining TNG movies couldn't help but feel safe and familiar with the Jerry Goldsmith theme. Cliff Eidelman has a resume that's all over the place now that I look him up... mostly a hodgepodge of lighthearted mid-'90s PG-13 fare. Wasn't this guy supposedly a last-minute substitute for James Horner?
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DirtyRobot posted:-- like compare that relationship to Tuvok's relationship with Chakotay, where the hostility and insults are just... not jokes. The Chakotay-Tuvok relationship is also complicated by the fact that Tuvok is a Starfleet Intelligence agent who infiltrated Chakotay's Maquis cell. The two of them actively dislike one another for a large portion of the show. Tuvok's relationship with Janeway, for instance, is much friendlier.
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Yeah he seems ok with Janeway because she generally shows him the respect he deserves unlike other crew members. Tom Paris like "Hey Tuvok I know you're having trouble with Pon Farr right now so I made a hologram of your wife, check it out". " This doesn't look like my wife" " Well yeah I had to make her hotter"
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DirtyRobot posted:I actually think Tuvok was a pretty good representation of a character who was clearly "a Vulcan," but also wasn't just "Spock, but on Voyager."
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