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I know Ocasio gets a lot of press because she owns and got a federal seat but Lee Carter loving owns and I really hope he takes the next step in VA in a few years.
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Matt Zerella posted:I know Ocasio gets a lot of press because she owns and got a federal seat but Lee Carter loving owns and I really hope he takes the next step in VA in a few years.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/07/politics/campaign/kerry-and-religion-pressure-builds-for-public-discussions.html2004 John Kerry posted:The president and I have the same position, fundamentally, on gay marriage. We do. Same position. But they're out there misleading people and exploiting it. "George Bush is out there slandering me, lying about me, saying I'm better than him on gay marriage. I want to set the record straight: I am not, literally there is no reason to vote for me over him if you care about LGBT rights." Plenty of people have already responded but just to put a finer point on it: Kerry actually did follow the craven amoral strategy of writing off LGBT people as captive voters and pandering to bigots who would never vote for him, and he pragmatically stuck to that position until 2011 when public polls notched over the 60% mark and it was time to pretend he'd been on our side all along. He did everything the pragmatic, middle-of-the-road, wait-your-turn-minorities-we-have-bigots-to-woo strategists assure us is the way to win. He lost anyway.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Haven't you heard? The far left is defeated. Michigan delenda est
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https://twitter.com/CuomoPrimeTime/status/1027363170489442304 I love my future rep
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Hi, I was directed here to laugh at that Fulchrum guy, and boy is he really loving dumb, but I'd like to take a moment here to give a lil bit basic info on fishfrys. They're not just a new york thing(was it ever?), the south has em all the time and theyre a good way to raise local money for local issues and both parties in small towns use them. You may also know them as pancake dinners, but I hate pancakes so I don't go to those. Welp that's my poo poo post hope you enjoyed.
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well now I'm wondering how many goons have heard of an ice cream social.
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From the Trump thread:evilweasel posted:This is interesting: Honestly I'm not sure what sort of conversation this is supposed to generate. Anything other than hemming and hawing and saying "yes that's interesting" will result in an instant probation (results may vary by poster).
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Freakazoid_ posted:well now I'm wondering how many goons have heard of an ice cream social. Fuuuuuck we used to do these in elementary school.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:From the Trump thread: Just don't read the thread, put the corncobs on ignore and pretend it's the garbage rear end centrist containment zone because that's what it is.
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Freakazoid_ posted:well now I'm wondering how many goons have heard of an ice cream social. You've got goons and social in the same question so I bet you already know the answer.
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Matt Zerella posted:Just don't read the thread, put the corncobs on ignore and pretend it's the garbage rear end centrist containment zone because that's what it is. it's not really a containment zone. centrists are allowed to post in any thread in D&D. it's a echo chamber for them cause challenging their lovely opinions is probation/ban-worthy in that thread
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Condiv posted:it's not really a containment zone. centrists are allowed to post in any thread in D&D. it's a echo chamber for them cause challenging their lovely opinions is probation/ban-worthy in that thread
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HootTheOwl posted:Other than you, doesn't everyone in this thread post in that thread too? and a bunch of them get probed pretty regularly for it
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HootTheOwl posted:Other than you, doesn't everyone in this thread post in that thread too? I have stopped. The protector of that thread is really bad and it's just not worth arguing with the Russia obsessed dullards in there. Also I'll reserve my bad posting to here and CSPAM.
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Condiv posted:and a bunch of them get probed pretty regularly for it Like 85% of my probe history can be summed up as "Told the centrists in the Trump thread the truth and boy howdy they got upset".
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HootTheOwl posted:Other than you, doesn't everyone in this thread post in that thread too? Condiv posted:and a bunch of them get probed pretty regularly for it
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HootTheOwl posted:Other than you, doesn't everyone in this thread post in that thread too? Very rarely. I feel that it's too dangerous to continue an exchange in there, so I'll sometimes post once in response (if I feel something really warrants a reply) and then not go back to respond to any possible replies to my post. edit: I don't mind too much because most of the people in that thread also thankfully stay out of the USPol thread (though admittedly they don't get probated if they do come into other threads).
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Tr33 posted:Hi, I was directed here to laugh at that Fulchrum guy, and boy is he really loving dumb, but I'd like to take a moment here to give a lil bit basic info on fishfrys. They're not just a new york thing(was it ever?), the south has em all the time and theyre a good way to raise local money for local issues and both parties in small towns use them. You may also know them as pancake dinners, but I hate pancakes so I don't go to those. Welp that's my poo poo post hope you enjoyed. A Good Post. You are welcome here.
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Ytlaya posted:Very rarely. I feel that it's too dangerous to continue an exchange in there, so I'll sometimes post once in response (if I feel something really warrants a reply) and then not go back to respond to any possible replies to my post. i wouldn't mind if they posted in UsPol, but they don't cause they know they can't post centrist foolishness unchallenged there and they're deathly afraid of leaving their mod-sanctioned bubble
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Condiv posted:i wouldn't mind if they posted in UsPol, but they don't cause they know they can't post centrist foolishness unchallenged there and they're deathly afraid of leaving their mod-sanctioned bubble I mean in the sense that it would very hypocritical for them to throw fits if they also posted freely in all the other threads, but since they don't it's not really a big loss to not discuss things in the Trump thread.
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So I went through my probate history and found this awesome post that I was probated for. I've reconstructed it so that it can be appreciated just how loving useless Centrists like Owl Fancier/Cythereal are and how they will never ever ever ever ever ever ever learn from their mistakes or admit they were wrong- they will simply find new excuses to lash out at the person telling them uncomfortable facts.Prester Jane posted:There is, unfortunately, a great deal more to it than that. At this point we are running into normalcy bias, and people just don't want to see the situation for what it really is. This is a perfectly normal human behavior and I feel that we do a disservice to ourselves if we discount just how profound the influence of normalcy bias is in a situation like this. I literally told these morons over 3 years ago exactly what would happen, and they did nothing but poo poo on me. Now that time has fully vindicated me they have conveniently forgotten all this (memoryholed more like since I got probed for even mentioning it) and carry on with making GBS threads on me whenever they get the chance. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Aug 10, 2018 |
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PJ perhaps you'd get more respect if you didn't make up your own terms and then refuse to use the same concepts that entire fields already use. Like with your claims about how you invented your own form of reading body language and it would just take too much effort to try to use the existing field of reading body language to describe your analysis. edit: as snarky as this sounds, this is meant more constructively than anything else Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Aug 9, 2018 |
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Trabisnikof posted:PJ maybe you'd get more respect if you didn't make up your own terms and then refuse to use the same concepts that entire fields already use. I didn't invent my own form of reading body language, I read body language on a very intuitive level. I don't know how to convey how I read body language without inventing a bunch of new terms. I don't know the existing language on reading body language (but I suspect it is approaching the topic in a different way than I do)- keep in mind I only have 4 years of actual schooling. I've done the best to patch the holes in my education but there are still very large gaps that are not easy for me to bridge. Also the vast majority of terms I've coined for my Narrativist Framework are original concepts that do not have a full corollary in the existing literature- there are similarities here and there but even those that exist are no more widely understood in the general population than my terms are. Also my terms often have much more sophisticated and interconnected definitions than what presently exists in the psychological literature. That's why I've created and use my own terms.
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So, you've had no formal training, but you've also conducted a survey of "psychological literature" and are confident that your terms are much more sophisticated and interconnected? Crazier things have happened, but you can't be in the middle of conducting a revolution of all of psychology and expect to be taken seriously on a political Internet forum. Publish something first, then come back here.
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twodot posted:So, you've had no formal training, but you've also conducted a survey of "psychological literature" and are confident that your terms are much more sophisticated and interconnected? Crazier things have happened, but you can't be in the middle of conducting a revolution of all of psychology and expect to be taken seriously on a political Internet forum. Publish something first, then come back here. I literally started writing my Narrativist Framework on a public library computer because I was living in a homeless shelter at the time. Like... What kind of resources do you imagine I've been working with this entire time? I started this when I was homeless and I've since transitioned off the street, won a drawn out disability case, moved cross country- all the while being in the process of transitioning genders whilst managing a severe mental illness and a boatload of PTSD. (Oh and when I came out my family completely disowned me.) I'm doing the best I can with what I got. Like I didn't even have a Social Security number until I was 14 and I only got it then because I went out and got it myself. (So I could enroll myself in public high school.) What University is going to let me publish something exactly so that I can have credibility enough to talk about my theories on the something awful forums? Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Aug 9, 2018 |
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Prester Jane posted:You know I literally started writing my Narrativist Framework on a public library computer because I was living in a homeless shelter at the time. Like... What kind of resources do you imagine I've been working with this entire time? I started this when I was homeless and I've since transitioned off the street and in the process I'm also transitioning genders whilst managing a severe mental illness and a boatload of PTSD. (Oh and when I came out my family completely disowned me.) I'm doing the best I can with what I got. edit: quote:Like I didn't even have a Social Security number until I was 14 and I only got it then because I went out and got it myself. (So I could enroll myself in public high school.) What University is going to let me publish something exactly so that I can have credibility enough to talk about my theories on the something awful forums? twodot fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Aug 9, 2018 |
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twodot posted:I imagine you have very few resources, which is another reason people on a political Internet forum aren't very likely to take your psychology revolution seriously. You're demanding I produce something that you knew full well ahead of time wasn't possible for me to produce.
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Prester Jane posted:You're demanding I produce something that you knew full well ahead of time wasn't possible for me to produce.
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twodot posted:Yes, it turns out you are in a position where it is effectively impossible to convince anyone they should care about your made up vocabulary which you built using your non-existent training. i'm not sure why a seperate set of jargon/vocabulary matters a ton. are her ideas flawed or is the problem she just doesn't use the commonly accepted language for them?
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twodot posted:Yes, it turns out you are in a position where it is effectively impossible to convince anyone they should care about your made up vocabulary which you built using your non-existent training. And yet my system works. Can we discuss how my projections in the quoted post (that I was probated for) quite accurately reflects events that are presently unfolding? Or is reminding everyone that I'm poor and disabled your preferred path for shutting down conversation at this time?
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twodot posted:Yes, it turns out you are in a position where it is effectively impossible to convince anyone they should care about your made up vocabulary which you built using your non-existent training. Since you brought him up this is exactly how the conventional experts of his day dismissed Ramunjan: Wikipedia posted:Ramanujan initially developed his own mathematical research in isolation: "He tried to interest the leading professional mathematicians in his work, but failed for the most part. What he had to show them was too novel, too unfamiliar, and additionally presented in unusual ways; they could not be bothered" My work isn't perfect but time has demonstrated that it has a great deal of validity. I like how as soon as I introduce evidence that vindicates my position all you want to do is harp on about how I'm too poor and too ignorant to be taken seriously. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Aug 9, 2018 |
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ughhhhh can we not do this, I realize this is Thunderdome, but do we really have to have a "well why aren't you published PJ" argument a millionth time
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Prester Jane posted:And yet my system works. Can we discuss how my projections in the quoted post (that I was probated for) quite accurately reflects events that are presently unfolding? quote:There is also a non-zero chance of one of these militia's opening up with their AR-15's on some police/government agents/social workers and prompting copycat attacks. edit: Barring some crazy revelation (that definitely warrants publishing and scrutiny by actual trained experts), psychohistory is not a real field of study, and even if we agreed your projections have been accurate (which I definitely don't), past performance is no guarantee of future results. twodot fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Aug 10, 2018 |
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twodot posted:No we can't because "accurately" is a completely meaningless concept when applied to thoughts like: No, it isn't. It was me acknowledging the potential for right-wing militia violence a long time before Malheur had occurred. This sentence right before that mentions the possibility of violent attacks on Planned Parenthood- before the Planned Parenthood shooting had occurred. Funny how you didn't mention that... Also: quote:Every time one of these attacks occurs it will instantly be labeled a false flag by the crazies, and any negative public reaction will feed into the persecution complex, eventually causing more people to snap and commit horrific acts that will also be labeled as false flags, and the cycle could repeat for an uncomfortably long time. and: quote:The policies, candidates, and rhetoric they will embrace will be loving stunning in its disconnect from reality. And while this will be hilarious at first, this irrational behaviour will find creative ways of hurting the poor, of hurting immigrants, of hurting non-Christians, of hurting anyone they can as much as they can the very moment they find a way. It will be the politics of viocusness, and what comes after this will make what we have seen so far out of Trump look tame by comparison. Those last two quotes (written in 2015 in the aftermath Obergefell) very accurately describe patterns that are at this point well-established. But at the time they were extremely controversial and considered paranoid ramblings. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Aug 10, 2018 |
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1) No one of any consequence thinks, thought, or has said the attack on Planned Parenthood was a false flag. 2) Projections that a thing will be "loving stunning" fundamentally can't be accurate. Potentially accurate projections look like "Trump will win Georgia with 62.7% of the vote with margin of error 3.6%". Don't get me wrong, political fan fiction is fun, and especially fun when it happens to be right, but I'm not going to pretend like any of this means anything, and you shouldn't be surprised by that reaction. edit: If people still think psychohistory is real, then someone hurry up and bankroll a Prester Jane predictit.org account, make a killing and solve all these limited resources problems. twodot fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Aug 10, 2018 |
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twodot posted:1) No one of any consequence thinks, thought, or has said the attack on Planned Parenthood was a false flag. What a disingenuous argument. I was specifically projecting the reactions of extremists(Narrativists), not mainstream reporters. And extremists did indeed label the Planned Parenthood shooting a false flag. I'm sure if I really go digging I could turn up some info wars tweets to that effect. quote:2) Projections that a thing will be "loving stunning" fundamentally can't be accurate. Potentially accurate projections look like "Trump will win Georgia with 62.7% of the vote with margin of error 3.6%". Yes it can, it just can't be mathematically accurate. Which as it turns out, you can't predict social trends with mathematical precision. You can however predict social trends , but in order to do so you can't use mathematically precise language because social trends can't be represented as percentages. Your counter argument is wilfully absurd. And if you look at evangelicals they have embraced things that compared to their (public) stances 3 years ago could be described as "loving stunning". I think for example that's a good way to describe the widespread embrace of literal child concentration camps in the desert.
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Prester Jane posted:What a disingenuous argument. I was specifically projecting the reactions of extremists(Narrativists), not mainstream reporters. And extremists did indeed label the Planned Parenthood shooting a false flag. I'm sure if I really go digging I could turn up some info wars tweets to that effect. edit: quote:And if you look at evangelicals they have embraced things that compared to their (public) stances 3 years ago could be described as "loving stunning". I think for example that's a good way to describe the widespread embrace of literal child concentration camps in the desert.
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