There is no corruption in FIFA thread [READ THE OP, OP]

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Malachite_Dragon: Mar 31, 2010; Weaving Merry Christmas magic

Rules against it would impede money from lining pockets, so probably not ,no

# ? Jul 30, 2018 05:49

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B.B. Rodriguez posted:

Sounds like BLJ found a lovely anti-foreigner rear end in a top hat to pen a paper about how immigrants and browns = bad.

No they didnt

# ? Jul 30, 2018 06:44

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

There are, apparently the bids aren't supposed to do anything related to the other bids, they're just supposed to make their case on their own merits. BBC was saying that if an investigation proved the allegations were true, it would be grounds to strip the World Cup from Qatar.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 14:27

GutBomb: Jun 15, 2005; Dude?

vyelkin posted:

BBC was saying that if an investigation proved the allegations were true, it would be grounds to strip the World Cup from Qatar.

If the bribes, working conditions, environmental concerns, and evidence of slave labor weren�t enough to strip them of the World Cup this won�t be either.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 14:35

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

GutBomb posted:

If the bribes, working conditions, environmental concerns, and evidence of slave labor weren�t enough to strip them of the World Cup this won�t be either.

You have to go by FIFA's rules. FIFA doesn't give a poo poo about the environment or slave labour. Proof of bribes would have been enough, but FIFA did an internal investigation led by that one American lawyer guy and he claimed not to find any evidence of wrongdoing (lol).

Odds are that if FIFA is pressured into doing an investigation over this, they also will find no evidence of wrongdoing. However, the situation has changed since last time around, and maybe Infantino is looking for an excuse to gently caress over Qatar, maybe to suck up to the Saudis and the US, maybe to open up a new round of fast-paced bribery as countries try to replace Qatar at the last minute. Also, it was pretty obvious they wouldn't find evidence of bribes because a bribe is a two-way street: to prove Qatar got the bid through bribery, you have to also prove members of FIFA took bribes, and so obviously FIFA wouldn't find that. But in this case the accusation is that Qatar was using outside agents to manipulate opinion, rather than working within FIFA, so theoretically they could find Qatar at fault without blaming anyone internally.

In short, FIFA is an unpredictable ride that offers a thrill every minute, so who the hell knows what might happen.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 14:52

Reprisal: Jul 20, 2001

Infantino could also tie wrong-doing to old political rivals as a sham clear-out, too.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 15:10

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If they take the tournament away from Qatar, Qatar is going to take down the whole thing with them. The rot goes deep on this one and FIFA is just going to have to ride it out.

Also, FIFA rules are that if a host country can no longer host, it goes back to the most recent host. Russia 2022 baby.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 15:49

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Kurtofan posted:

This is some spy movie stuff

Licence To Shill

# ? Jul 30, 2018 15:57

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Reprisal posted:

Infantino could also tie wrong-doing to old political rivals as a sham clear-out, too.

this would own lol. proper dictator stuff

# ? Jul 30, 2018 15:59

Shageletic: Jul 25, 2007

The blood of thousands already went into Qatar's bid, lol if that was for nothing. I was talking to a soccer player (plays in a local league there or something) and he was going on about the stadiums actually working in re to AC or something. Color me skeptical.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 16:05

qsvui: Aug 23, 2003; some crazy thing

i would be fine with russia 2018 being the last world cup ever

qsvui fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jul 31, 2018

# ? Jul 30, 2018 18:12

nutri_void: Apr 18, 2015; I shall devour your soul.; Grimey Drawer

qsvui posted:

i would be fine with the russia 2018 being the last world cup ever

I'd just skip to the cumcup

# ? Jul 30, 2018 19:06

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vyelkin posted:

You have to go by FIFA's rules. FIFA doesn't give a poo poo about the environment or slave labour. Proof of bribes would have been enough, but FIFA did an internal investigation led by that one American lawyer guy and he claimed not to find any evidence of wrongdoing (lol).

Isn't that not the case at all? Michael Garcia did this:

quote:

Chairman of the investigatory chamber of the Ethics Committee of FIFA (2012�2014)
Main article: Garcia Report
On July 17, 2012, in the wake of announced anti-corruption reforms by Sepp Blatter, the President of the world association football governing body FIFA,[19] the organization appointed Garcia as the chairman of the investigative chamber of FIFA Ethics Committee, while German judge Hans-Joachim Eckert was appointed as the chairman of the Ethics Committee's adjudication chamber.[20]

In August 2012, Garcia declared his intention to investigate the bidding process and decision to respectively award the right to host the 2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cup to Russia and Qatar by the FIFA Executive Committee.[21] Garcia delivered his consequent 350-page report in September 2014, and Eckert subsequently announced that it would not be made public for legal reasons.[22]

On November 13, 2014, Eckert released a 42-page summary of his findings after reviewing Garcia's report. The summary cleared both Russia and Qatar of any wrongdoing during the bidding for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups,[23] leaving Russia and Qatar free to stage their respective World Cups.[24]

FIFA welcomed "the fact that a degree of closure has been reached," while the Associated Press wrote that the Eckert summary "was denounced by critics as a whitewash."[24] Hours after the Eckert summary was released, Garcia himself criticized it for being "materially incomplete" with "erroneous representations of the facts and conclusions," while declaring his intention to appeal to FIFA's Appeal Committee.[23] On December 16, 2014, FIFA's Appeal Committee dismissed Garcia's appeal against the Eckert summary as "not admissible." FIFA also stated that Eckert's summary was "neither legally binding nor appealable."[25] A day later, Garcia resigned from his role as FIFA ethics investigator in protest of FIFA's conduct, citing a "lack of leadership" and lost confidence in the independence of Eckert from FIFA.[26]

In June 2015, Swiss authorities said the report was of little value.[27]

Bolding mine. It was Hans-Joachim Eckert who released the summary that cleared of wrong-doing and then wouldn't release it.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 19:39

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

B.B. Rodriguez posted:

Isn't that not the case at all? Michael Garcia did this:

Bolding mine. It was Hans-Joachim Eckert who released the summary that cleared of wrong-doing and then wouldn't release it.

Oh sorry let me apologize for impugning the honour of the man who found loads of evidence of FIFA bribes that could have ruined the organization and then did nothing about it

# ? Jul 30, 2018 19:45

B.B. Rodriguez: Aug 8, 2005; Bender: "I was God once." God: "Yes, I saw. You were doing well until everyone died."

vyelkin posted:

Oh sorry let me apologize for impugning the honour of the man who found loads of evidence of FIFA bribes that could have ruined the organization and then did nothing about it

quote:

FIFA welcomed "the fact that a degree of closure has been reached," while the Associated Press wrote that the Eckert summary "was denounced by critics as a whitewash."[24] Hours after the Eckert summary was released, Garcia himself criticized it for being "materially incomplete" with "erroneous representations of the facts and conclusions," while declaring his intention to appeal to FIFA's Appeal Committee.[23] On December 16, 2014, FIFA's Appeal Committee dismissed Garcia's appeal against the Eckert summary as "not admissible." FIFA also stated that Eckert's summary was "neither legally binding nor appealable."[25] A day later, Garcia resigned from his role as FIFA ethics investigator in protest of FIFA's conduct, citing a "lack of leadership" and lost confidence in the independence of Eckert from FIFA.[26]

I urge you to read that again.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 20:05

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vyelkin posted:

Odds are that if FIFA is pressured into doing an investigation over this, they also will find no evidence of wrongdoing. However, the situation has changed since last time around, and maybe Infantino is looking for an excuse to gently caress over Qatar, maybe to suck up to the Saudis and the US, maybe to open up a new round of fast-paced bribery as countries try to replace Qatar at the last minute.

outraged people get to sneer at Qatar and feel good about themselves, and bribe-takers get another chance to call everybody on their bribe rolodex. this, my friends, is what we call a "win win"

# ? Jul 30, 2018 20:09

TheBigAristotle: Feb 8, 2007; I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money.
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qsvui posted:

i would be fine with the russia 2018 being the last world cup ever

Well then how's it going to come home?

# ? Jul 30, 2018 20:18

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TheBigAristotle posted:

Well then how's it going to come home?

We joke, but the fact that the British press keeps publishing these stories and embarrassing FIFA is the reason why England is never going to get the tournament again.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 20:38

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

B.B. Rodriguez posted:

I urge you to read that again.

Oh, I read it. It says he found 350 pages' worth of bribes and then when FIFA decided not to air his report exposing them all as horribly corrupt he appealed within FIFA, then when they predictably said no again he threw his hands in the air, said "oh well I guess that's that" and went home and never showed the evidence to anyone outside FIFA. Great job dude.

# ? Jul 30, 2018 21:57

Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

qsvui posted:

i would be fine with the russia 2018 being the last world cup ever

same

# ? Jul 30, 2018 22:46

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Pook Good Mook posted:

We joke, but the fact that the British press keeps publishing these stories and embarrassing FIFA is the reason why England is never going to get the tournament again.

Close, but it�s actually oil money and massive corruption.

# ? Jul 31, 2018 00:06