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Bloody Pancreas posted:I've never heard of Boss Monster. If it's Munchkin's-level bad that's one thing, but I haven't seen anything in this KS campaign to make me wary... The only advantage is has over Munchkin is that it ends sooner. ...but that just means you can play again!!! 
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GrandpaPants posted:The only advantage is has over Munchkin is that it ends sooner. Honestly I don't get the hate for boss monster that SA brings. It's got flaws and if you play it to win seriously it probably sucks, but eh. The theme is cool and the cards are fun, we always pull it out on casual gamer friends/couples for a good time.
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Aug 10, 2018 02:11
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FirstAidKite posted:I thought people liked Saya no Uta Saya No Uta is definitely an interesting story. It's also a rape-heavy porn featuring a character who appears to be physically 13 (and if I recall correctly, they are actually even younger) who is the "star" of many of the sex scenes. So, it's child porn and rape fantasy attached to an otherwise decent bit of horror writing.
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Aug 10, 2018 02:29
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Bodanarko posted:Honestly I don't get the hate for boss monster that SA brings. It's got flaws and if you play it to win seriously it probably sucks, but eh. "It's fun to play with friends" describes every game ever and if you and your friends enjoy it, that's great and don't let anyone stop you from playing. A game can be fun to play with friends though and still be a bad game. There are a large amount of boardgames available, many of which have cool themes and 'fun cards' that don't fall apart if you 'play it to win seriously' (or in Boss Monster's case just play it, at all) - so why not play one of those? You don't have to give up good game design to also play a game with a good theme!
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Mode 7 posted:"It's fun to play with friends" describes every game ever and if you and your friends enjoy it, that's great and don't let anyone stop you from playing. A game can be fun to play with friends though and still be a bad game. There are a large amount of boardgames available, many of which have cool themes and 'fun cards' that don't fall apart if you 'play it to win seriously' (or in Boss Monster's case just play it, at all) - so why not play one of those? You don't have to give up good game design to also play a game with a good theme! I think it's more "games with a strong theme can carry underwhelming design" than an argument for mutual exclusiveness.
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Aug 10, 2018 03:35
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Rip_Van_Winkle posted:I think it's more "games with a strong theme can carry underwhelming design" than an argument for mutual exclusiveness. Yeah this. The theme and concept are accessible to normies and it is fun despite its flaws, leaning heavily on the theme to get there.
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Aug 10, 2018 04:44
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Usually board game theme refers to flavor text, artwork, and miniatures. Rarely does the theme carry over to the actual gameplay. At that point, when theme is the only good part of the game, you'd be better of treating it as an art collection than a game. Show off the cool pixel art and spare us the disappointing game-play. But at least Boss Monster is far better than the Oregon Trail Card Game. Boss Monster has some choices underneath the flood of randomness. The Oregon Trail Card Game really is co-operative Candy Land.
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Aug 10, 2018 05:12
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people that get real upset about others having wrong fun make me laugh. so thanks for all the good times
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Aug 10, 2018 05:24
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If you enjoy Boss Monster, good for you, who cares. But you can't in good conscience dispute people warning potential buyers of the developer's next game that Boss Monster was relatively braindead.
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oriongates posted:Saya No Uta is definitely an interesting story. Ah, my friend explained that as it being a game with porn but that the porn was explicitly meant to be uncomfortable and disgusting due to being about a hideous meat creature shoggoth thing that only looks attractive because of the main character's brain damage that causes him to see the rest of the world as horribly ugly meaty flesh
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Aug 10, 2018 08:14
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That's all technically true, but it's also just an excuse by weebs to enjoy weird porn. Same as the explanations for American comicbook costumes for women.
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Aug 10, 2018 08:18
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I'd say it's probably more "happy coincidence". It just so happens if you aren't into horrifying porn, you'll feel horrified in a way that kind of fits in with the horror elements of the story. But it's also still literally explicit child porn. No amount of story justification really makes it much better.
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boss monster bad, madoka good.
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Finally got a shipping notification for Brass. Just in time to miss my Sunday group. Should be here for Wednesday though.
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Terrible Opinions posted:That's all technically true, but it's also just an excuse by weebs to enjoy weird porn. Same as the explanations for American comicbook costumes for women. what an extraordinarily odd comparison
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Jedit posted:Finally got a shipping notification for Brass. Just in time to miss my Sunday group. Should be here for Wednesday though. Played my first game tonight. I am in love. Frustrated, but in love.
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JazzFlight posted:I'm a backer, but I still think it's weird you don't have a picture of what the game looks like on the table on your campaign page. You have to watch the videos to get an idea when it should be the first thing you see when you scroll down. This is from a few pages back, but I wanted to thank you guys for pointing this out for us. We updated the Radiant Kickstarter page to include play photos and a diagram of how the cards are played on the table thanks to feedback from this thread. We really appreciate it!
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Joe Slowboat posted:Tuxedo Catfish has the right of it: Madoka is a show about how magical girls are good, and a universe that refuses to let them hope is bad and should be turned into a more standard Magical Girl setting by the intervention of Mahayana Buddha Madoka, whose entire story is literally Gautama leaving seclusion and realizing that the world contains inescapable suffering, and refusing to accept that, leading to becoming a cosmic principle of hope and ensuring that magical girl wishes can come true without eventually collapsing into despair. Which is pretty literally the concept of the Great Vehicle, that people can be saved from suffering even if they can't personally be totally detached, because of the intercession of a benevolent Buddha. Same but also Kamen Rider Gaim which does the same thing except instead of a alien-cat thing, it's a DJ; instead of magical girl powers, it's fruit themed locks that can summon other dimensional monsters that can also be used to transform; and instead of a cycle of hope into despair, it's a cycle of survival to the fittest taken to a stupid degree. Both also end with the MC pretty much buggering off and leaving everyone behind to make sure the cycle of suffering ends.
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Xelkelvos posted:Same but also Kamen Rider Gaim which does the same thing except instead of a alien-cat thing, it's a DJ; instead of magical girl powers, it's fruit themed locks that can summon other dimensional monsters that can also be used to transform; and instead of a cycle of hope into despair, it's a cycle of survival to the fittest taken to a stupid degree. Both also end with the MC pretty much buggering off and leaving everyone behind to make sure the cycle of suffering ends. I think 'extreme fruit darwinism' is a pretty different beast from 'Mahayana Buddhism' but, also, that sounds wild.
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Aug 13, 2018 18:23
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Another ugly dice Kickstarter has (mostly) finished imploding. quote:We just felt we needed to put an update on the project that did not turn out the way we intended. We have had all the dice and other products sitting here in our attic for years because I lost all the money from the project because two Chinese companies screwed us and I paid everything out of my pocket to get the project completed as promised. When we explained to our kickstarter backers on the update no one cared or wanted to help me a little to pay for the shipping cost to send the project to you. I just searched my name on the internet and I see all this nonsense about ripoff or scammed if you read the kickstarter update you would’ve seen the situation, I never stole a dime from anyone on this planet I probably did business with the wrong people in my lifetime and have been screwed because of it. I am too talented to be a thief and my work can speak for themselves because every little detail you see on these pieces is from my own creativity and design also my other work was done with my bare hands without any experience so what I am trying to say is the work you have seen for these projects is all mine. I am not a scam artist, a thief, ripoff or a crook I am a businessman, I’m kind and I am far more honest than most of you, sometimes life is unfortunate by dealing with third parties, but that doesn’t mean I’m not a smart businessman. Don’t think you know me because you backed a project of mine. I feel bad for the guy, but that's some nice tantrum there. I'd link the page but he posted pictures of his shipping labels with what I assume is his address.
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What ugly dice, and yes, what a tantrum. If you had just charged shipping up front like a sensible human being you wouldn't be in this mess, angry internet guy.
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Aug 13, 2018 22:27
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So is that D20 result a one or a five?
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That Old Tree posted:Another ugly dice Kickstarter has (mostly) finished imploding. Yeah, needless to say, I was very surprised to get that update email. I've already emailed them to see if they can give me my order, but no response yet.
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Aug 14, 2018 07:06
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Huh. The Monster Dice kickstarter sort of fizzled too, with people not yet having received dice some months after they were due, or occasionally receiving warped samples. What's with dice and the difficulty to deliver?
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The Knot Dice guy had a few updates about mold and materials testing for his project. They went back and forth several times before finding something satisfactory, and that was just for a batch of pretty D6's embossed with bits of knotwork. I had to look the Monster Dice kickstarter up, and I winced. That much detail on pieces that tiny? I doubt the manufacturer was using 3D printing the way he did with the prototypes, and those things look like a nightmare to produce with traditional moulds.
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It's a physical product in a custom shape with fairly strict demands on durability and consistent shape. Often made in shapes that may or may not be designed by someone who understands what is or isn't feasible within those limits. To get them made in significant quantities at reasonable prices it pretty much requires overseas productions, which means those same designers must be able to choose a company to produce them and often have no real ability to figure out which companies could meet their demands. Since they can't be produced on demand they must be made in bulk, then stored and shipped by the designer, a fact that few designers consider when estimating shipping/handling costs (and that's before changes made to shipping costs between when the project funds and actually ships). So, a specialty product made by enthusiastic amateurs. Always a risk.
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People consistently gently caress up getting shirts made for their Kickstarter. It's hardly surprising specialty niche products are even bigger stumbling blocks. Even, it seems, when those gimmicky doo-dads are literally the entire point of your Kickstarter.
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That Old Tree posted:People consistently gently caress up getting shirts made for their Kickstarter. It's hardly surprising specialty niche products are even bigger stumbling blocks. Even, it seems, when those gimmicky doo-dads are literally the entire point of your Kickstarter. I pretty much stopped backing any expensive tech-based product that doesn't come from a company with a proven track record years ago. Board games seem to have a much better track record overall, though.
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I have actually received every single kickstarter I've joined so far. I'm still waiting for a few games that are over their time periods, Deep Space D6, Cerebria and Spirits of the Forest, but they're at least still giving updates. I think my worst experience so far has been Steven Lichman vol. 2, it was delivered 1 year late, but it is very nice and high quality. Root was the first Kickstarter I received before it was due! Just in time to take to GenCon.
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I'm still waiting on my OblivAeon from Sentinels of the Multiverse, but I backed late so I'm sure I'm going to be one of the last ones out. Until then I will forlornly press my nose against the glass as others unbox their copies, only to imagine the wonderful adventures I might have facing down such a dread foe.
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I have a couple of failures on my list. My oldest one is the Super Dungeon Explore: Legends debacle, where Ninja Division/Soda Pop Miniatures is destroying all of their company's goodwill over the past few years.
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JazzFlight posted:I have a couple of failures on my list. My oldest one is the Super Dungeon Explore: Legends debacle, where Ninja Division/Soda Pop Miniatures is destroying all of their company's goodwill over the past few years. What happened with that game, I'd be lying if I said I didn't like interesting kickstarter drama
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JazzFlight posted:I have a couple of failures on my list. My oldest one is the Super Dungeon Explore: Legends debacle, where Ninja Division/Soda Pop Miniatures is destroying all of their company's goodwill over the past few years. Wait, ND / SodaPop had goodwill? First I've heard of it... Looks like I'm going to be suffering my first failure myself, the Dark Age Outpost. Creator seems to have gone silent and previous updates were about how he was getting screwed over by the mould makers drastically increasing their fees from the original quotes. AFAIK it hasn't even entered production yet and is years late.
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Zark the Damned posted:Wait, ND / SodaPop had goodwill? First I've heard of it... With the Robotech Miniatures thing, I automatically assumed it was Kevin's fault because I've been familiar with Palladium Games for longer than a week. Then I heard it was Soda Pop they'd gone in with. It was a match made in an entirely unsatisfactory afterlife.
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I've been fortunate enough to have no Kickstarter duds, although the longest period I ever waited for a Kickstarter was several years. I backed Battle Chef Brigade in 2014 and it didn't deliver until the end of 2017. Of course that was a video game so that's a different beast than a board game. I am still waiting on Yokai Quest, which might be the longest time I've waited for a board game on Kickstarter, but they are still sending updates so I'm not really worried.
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The longest I’ve waited is for the Deep Space D-6 one, but as someone said, they’re doing regular updates so I’m not too bothered.
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Hey folks! I've just launched my new kickstarter - Legacy: The Next World. It's three new books for Legacy: Life Among the Ruins, including a bunch of rules tweaks, playbooks, adventures, essays, and a brand new Slavic fantasy setting for the game. Check the campaign page for a load of book and game previews, and more information about what you can see in each book. I'm eternally grateful to TG for giving me my start as a game designer, and it's very exciting to launch my first game under my new name/identity. It would mean a great deal if you could click through and check the page out.
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Flavivirus posted:Hey folks! I've just launched my new kickstarter - Legacy: The Next World. I just wanted to say I played Non Compliant at gencon 2 weeks ago and had a most excellent time. Really looking forward to digging in to the system more!
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ZachAttack posted:I just wanted to say I played Non Compliant at gencon 2 weeks ago and had a most excellent time. Really looking forward to digging in to the system more! Hey awesome, I never heard from the gm how that went so it’s great to hear you had a good time!
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Part of me hopes they eventually do a Horus Heresy setting book, or even the Great Crusade. There is definitely a lot they can do that I would be interested in.
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