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Epicurius posted:Apparently, whenever the actors tried to emote, Lucas would tell them to tone it down. It kind of makes sense, then, that the younger actors, like Portman and Christiansen would play their roles so flatly, while more experienced actors, like McGregor and McDiarmid had the self confidence to ignore Lucas's direction and actually act. They emote less than Spock. I put that not entirely on Lucas though, the entire bent at that time (and for the decade after, maybe it's swinging back) is that "good acting" is "understated" i.e. bland a.f.
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Phylodox posted:along with Ian McDiarmid I demand an Emperor-Sisko crossover event. So much scenery would be consumed that you'd swear they were Langoliers.
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Anakin emotes though, very alarmingly at times. He comes off as a total weirdo, way off kilter, seething with barely repressed hate. I think Portman and McGregor’s comparatively emotionally flat performances are intended to play into this. McGregor plays a doctrinaire Jedi knight who believes that emotion is a morally corruptive force. The comparison to Spock is apt, it’s not that he doesn’t feel emotions but that he bottles them up and only really releases them under enormous strain or, more often, through a filter of sarcastic humor. Even then, when Obi-wan really loses control, McGregor plays him pretty well, even if he couldn’t quite manage to get choked up while saying “younglings”. Portman meanwhile plays Padme, a liberal “politician...and they’re not to be trusted” who forsakes direct action in favor of a legislative career, ultimately achieving nothing and serving as an unwitting pawn of a coup d’etat. She’s a natural dissembler (remember she spends almost the entire first movie impersonating Keira Knightley and vice versa) who insists on hiding her emotions for practical reasons (her career and Anakin’s religious calling would be imperiled by them). Unfortunately she mostly just sounds bored and when she gets to emotionally boil over in Revenge, it’s not nearly as well-written a freakout as Obi-wan gets. These two are nice people in their own way, but as best buds to an emotional powderkeg like Anakin, they are simply disastrous. They teach him to bottle up his feelings until his latent hate for society explodes into fascism, mass slaughter, and UNLIMITED POWEEEEEEEEER.
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Yeah it’s great. Everyone around him stubbornly keeps insisting that his emotional expression is bad and he should stop doing that while willfully ignoring his emotional and moral disintegration as he murders, illicitly marries and betrays his way to selfish gratification. e: everyone that is except his good buddy Sheev. Who just wants him to dew it. skasion fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Aug 14, 2018 |
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Aug 14, 2018 20:45
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One of the things I prefer about Star Trek is that its fans don't go shoulder deep into a pile of poo poo trying to find Hamlet.
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When Star Trek wants you to go looking for Hamlet, it’ll have a character hold up a big book that says Hamlet on it and quote from Hamlet.
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And typically it will be noted Shakespeare thespian Sir Patrick Stewart.
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Pick posted:Anakin is such red flag city it's amazing. Completely believable now too looking at the last decade of mass shooters
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Completely believable now too looking at the last decade of mass shooters Prescient 
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skasion posted:When Star Trek wants you to go looking for Hamlet, it’ll have a character hold up a big book that says Hamlet on it and quote from Hamlet. DrNutt posted:And typically it will be noted Shakespeare thespian Sir Patrick Stewart. I seriously thought this was hyperbole, then I went digging... 
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Pick posted:Prescient He's basically a handsome slightly more put together Adam Lanza. It's a pretty radical change to the character that I'm sure made people angry. He wasn't some badass that went out and hunted down the Jedi. The Jedi got shot in the back by clones. He just went in a school and killed a bunch of children. Of course then in Rogue One he's an unstoppable badass who quips one liners
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Doggles posted:I seriously thought this was hyperbole, then I went digging...
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Doggles posted:I seriously thought this was hyperbole, then I went digging... Who the hell would read Shakespeare when you could watch a holorecording? You could sit in the actual Globe and watch a version that's absolutely period appropriate, with guys wearing women's clothes and talking ridiculously fast. The ideal means to take in Shakespeare is right down the hall and you're carrying around this... this totem?
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I had a dream I took Janeway to the 2013 Auburn-Alabama football game on the holodeck. I had two tickets and Tom Paris, who's idea it was, had to cancel, so I asked her if she'd like to go. Why would I have tickets to a holodeck game.
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skasion posted:When Star Trek wants you to go looking for Hamlet, it’ll have a character hold up a big book that says Hamlet on it and quote from Hamlet. I'll take luxury space socialism over three interminable movies about muppets who can't figure out if it's bad that the chosen one tortures cats
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Brawnfire posted:Who the hell would read Shakespeare when you could watch a holorecording? You could sit in the actual Globe and watch a version that's absolutely period appropriate, with guys wearing women's clothes and talking ridiculously fast. The ideal means to take in Shakespeare is right down the hall and you're carrying around this... this totem? I read this in Picard's voice and it owned.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:He's basically a handsome slightly more put together Adam Lanza. He’s an unstoppable badass who quips one liners in the original movies and the prequels also, he’s always quipping one liners and unstoppably being badass (that is to say, murdering people). It’s just a lot easier to take one liners and badassery more seriously when they come from a faceless seven foot tall knight in gleaming black armor who sounds like James Earl Jones. The point of old man Darth at the end of Return is to show that he was really just some guy, he was kind of chubby and had a mumbly normal voice, and his terrifying appearance and manner were just smoke and mirrors to frighten others away from him.
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:I had a dream I took Janeway to the 2013 Auburn-Alabama football game on the holodeck. This is better than at least a third of canon voyager episodes.
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They JUST cast Spock? Season 2 is supposed to air in January.
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Zesty posted:They JUST cast Spock? Season 2 is supposed to air in January. He's probably only in the back half of the episodes, have they said if they're going to split the season in two releases again?
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I don’t see how he would only be in the later parts of the season. He’s on the Enterprise, it’s right there right now. If anything he should only be in the first episode! (this will not happen)
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skasion posted:I don’t see how he would only be in the later parts of the season. He’s on the Enterprise, it’s right there right now. If anything he should only be in the first episode! (this will not happen) The trailer says he requested shore leave or something, he's literally on vacation at the start of the season it seems.
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They’ve already been explicit that Spock is not on the Enterprise in the premiere, he’s off doing something relating to the season’s big arc.
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Spock’s busy getting laid on Riza, probably.
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Gonz posted:Spock’s busy getting laid on Riza, probably. At this stage in the timeline, Risa still bears its short-lived "hip" moniker Riza, as suggested by the Risa Tourist Board before they were arrested and sexycuted.
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Spock is having Pon Farr and they will talk about it
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The Bloop posted:Spock is having Pon Farr and they will talk about it Next time on STARRRRRRR Trek: The Sex Generation
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Dammit, where's that compiled list of the worst UPN Voyager intros?
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Pick posted:Dammit, where's that compiled list of the worst UPN Voyager intros? This? MorgaineDax posted:More of my favourite terrible UPN Voyager promos. Basically any episode that's good, they make look terrible, and any episode that references sex is non-stop porno.
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sorry but YOU BECAME SEXUALLY AROUSED IN MY BODY?! followed by Picardo's face does not belong in any worst of anything list
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MorgaineDax posted:The hilarious promo for Counterpoint where Janeway has to hide telepaths. The ending narration is gold. In a similar vein, check out the contortions they go through to make "11:59" exciting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlnzatGpUAY
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quote:Doc tries to teach Seven how to date. Star Trek Voyager--"We're running out of poo poo to do in the Delta Quadrant."
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Drink-Mix Man posted:In a similar vein, check out the contortions they go through to make "11:59" exciting: Janeway comes from a long line of women who sleep with the enemy apparently.
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Finished Voyager season 3. It got a bit lackluster towards the end but otherwise was enjoyable. I sense a downward spiral coming soon.
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skasion posted:He’s an unstoppable badass who quips one liners in the original movies and the prequels also, he’s always quipping one liners and unstoppably being badass (that is to say, murdering people). It’s just a lot easier to take one liners and badassery more seriously when they come from a faceless seven foot tall knight in gleaming black armor who sounds like James Earl Jones. The point of old man Darth at the end of Return is to show that he was really just some guy, he was kind of chubby and had a mumbly normal voice, and his terrifying appearance and manner were just smoke and mirrors to frighten others away from him. Yeah it's not like "we would be honored if you would join us" wasn't a Bond villain level one liner.
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Sir Lemming posted:This? Cursed videos. And yes, thanks!
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Windows 98 posted:Finished Voyager season 3. It got a bit lackluster towards the end but otherwise was enjoyable. I sense a downward spiral coming soon. It really depends on how you look at it. The prevailing feeling within the production at the time was that the show had not been good so far and that changes needed to be made (and were). The result is in some ways more entertaining but also sillier and more frustrating, which is saying a lot given how the show was to begin with. It fixes some big problems but that exposes the ones it doesn’t fix in a really glaring way. The big saving grace of the second half of the show is Seven of Nine, but the other side of that is that it virtually becomes the Seven of Nine show at times. skasion fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Jesus the music for those promos was just dire. I mean so was everything else, but jesus
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