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Maybe this is lefty echo chamber talk but surely if they switch leaders to the potato they're absolutely hosed next election
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Maybe this is lefty echo chamber talk but surely if they switch leaders to the potato they're absolutely hosed next election I keep thinking they might have a win if they hammer the race angle enough. Tampa is painfully clear in my memory.
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Aug 17, 2018 01:43
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Maybe this is lefty echo chamber talk but surely if they switch leaders to the potato they're absolutely hosed next election It's not the lefty echo chamber, his polling as preferred leader even among liberal voters is terrible.
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Aug 17, 2018 01:48
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quote:Q. Which of the following do you think would make the best leader of the Liberal Party? http://www.essentialvision.com.au/best-leader-liberal-party-2
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Aug 17, 2018 01:56
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Starshark posted:I keep thinking they might have a win if they hammer the race angle enough. Tampa is painfully clear in my memory. I think that while elements of the right are more vocal now, in general the millenials coming of age and starting to become a larger cohort would make this approach far less effective. Also Dutton and the other far right idiots are way way way worse at not saying the quiet part loud. So UWA cancelled the trans-hate-fiesta scheduled for campus appearance later today. They concocted a bs excuse about security and risk management concerns, but it doesn't really matter - protest wins again.
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Aug 17, 2018 02:02
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Maybe this is lefty echo chamber talk but surely if they switch leaders to the potato they're absolutely hosed next election Kinda tempted to dig into the archives and find peoples posts along the same lines from when Abbott was made leader of the Libs.
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Aug 17, 2018 02:06
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Senor Tron posted:Kinda tempted to dig into the archives and find peoples posts along the same lines from when Abbott was made leader of the Libs. Essential Poll just before Abbott rolled Turnbull. Abbott was much more popular then than Dutton is now, and Abbott winning the leadership was a bit of a fluke in itself. Plus Labor worked really hard at losing the 2010 election.
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Aug 17, 2018 02:20
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Don Dongington posted:I think that while elements of the right are more vocal now, in general the millenials coming of age and starting to become a larger cohort would make this approach far less effective. don't you think it would be better though to let these people talk and not silence them though huh sunlight is the best disinfectant
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Aug 17, 2018 02:29
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Essential Poll just before Abbott rolled Turnbull. In the Auspol thread we were celebrating it as the Libs dooming themselves for a thousand years. chyaroh posted:This is gonna get interesting, Tony Abbot defeats Malcolm Turnbull by one vote, 42-41. Only took them 49 minutes, and Joe Hockey lost out in the first round. Will Rudd be able to keep a straight face for the next few weeks? duck monster posted:Australian politics just got hilarious. Orkin Mang posted:The sound you just heard was the collective cheering of the Labor party. I really didn't think they'd vote in Abbott and marginalise the party so dramatically, but here we are. What an awesome past couple of days. Farmidillo posted:Good luck Libs, you're going to need it with Tony "I hate women" Abbot in charge. miss_chaos posted:Oh my god, Abbot is going to get wasted by Rudd. This guy is going to be steamrolled on every possible angle. Senor Tron posted:I know Rudd has been pretty consistent in saying he wouldn't call a double dissolution, but this really makes it more certain for me he will drag out the election for as long as possible. Put up with more short term obstruction for longer term benefit of the Liberals losing more voters. miss_chaos posted:Hockey's press conference is excellent. Happycataclysm posted:As someone with a firm track record of voting Liberal (shock!), there is no way I could have voted for that oaf Hockey, and DEFINITELY not the backwards uber-conservative Abbot. The Libs have just laid down and hosed themselves out of the already minor chance they had for the next election. Hookshot posted:I wish we still had the Embassy in LF It's not a perfect analogy, but given the hell timeline we're living in I wouldn't be banking everything on Dutton losing the Libs votes.
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Aug 17, 2018 02:33
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I really hope Dutton challenges, no matter what happens Australia wins
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Aug 17, 2018 02:40
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I too remember thinking Abbott was going to be self destructive  I didn't realise how self destructive Rudd was, and how out of his depth Rudd was when things didn't go his way.
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I love that people can present a coherent, evidence based argument that Abbott rolling Turnbull in 2010 is an absolutely garbage comparison to Dutton doing the same thing in 2018, and Auspol posters will still call the next election for Dutton. Magnificent. Edit: I think part of the issue with 2010 was that we all had far less reason to be quite so heavily engaged in politics, to the level we are now. Sure, Labor were doing their absolute best to gently caress progressive politics in the eye for the next decade, but for the most part it wasn't a case of every day, something worse like it is now. Don Dongington fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Aug 17, 2018 |
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I think the general public of today are more environmentally conscious thank 8 years ago. Abbott got in when coal was hip but now people are just sick of hearing about coal and just want to execute the electricity companies.
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Don Dongington posted:I love that people can present a coherent, evidence based argument that Abbott rolling Turnbull in 2010 is an absolutely garbage comparison to Dutton doing the same thing in 2018, and Auspol posters will still call the next election for Dutton. Framing this post so when Dutton is elected in a landslide and abolishes the senate we can all point at it and remember the better times. Before the great darkness. Remember I was right about Trump.
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Aug 17, 2018 03:14
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Trump and Abbott both happened before 2018, where anything is possible and the more bad it is the more likely though. The margins were actually super thin for both, and exit polling put them within the margin of error iirc. Blind optimism was a problem for me both times. This IS different though. While I'm not going to claim it's impossible for the Liberals to make up the ground they've lost, which is NOT well reflected in current polling (look at the difference between polls for the recent by election and the actual outcomes if you need proof of the delta between newspoll's 2pp and the likely real world outcome). A shrewd operator like Howard or a pre-brainworms Abbott might have been able to turn this around. Bishop? If her own party didn't white-ant the poo poo out of her. Hell, if it wasn't for the gang of far right shitheels white-anting Turnbull, he'd probably be doing better. I don't see the current liberal/national party room coming back from this. I'm not going to toxx on it because 2018, but Dutton definitely isn't their winning solution. He's a bully, and he won't be able to unite the party behind him any better than Abbott could.
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Aug 17, 2018 03:20
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hooman posted:UWA's rating on facebook has gone from 4.9 to 3.7 in 2 days. UWA just cancelled the speaking thing e: Apparently on a technicality, but I am guessing that the Uni is probably glad that they could cancel the booking
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Aug 17, 2018 03:22
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GoldStandardConure posted:Framing this post so when Dutton is elected in a landslide and abolishes the senate we can all point at it and remember the better times. Before the great darkness. OK, Cassandra.
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Aug 17, 2018 03:24
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Recoome posted:UWA just cancelled the speaking thing It almost reads like the VC asked her operations manager to find a solution to cancel the event without making it look like she gave in to pressure, doesn't it.
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Aug 17, 2018 03:29
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Don Dongington posted:I love that people can present a coherent, evidence based argument that Abbott rolling Turnbull in 2010 is an absolutely garbage comparison to Dutton doing the same thing in 2018, and Auspol posters will still call the next election for Dutton. Would you Toxx yourself for if it happens? It probably won't, the evidence says it won't, but in a world where Brexit is happening, Trump is US president and Tony Abbott became PM anyone who rules anything out is mad. edit: You already addressed it.
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Yeah. Toxxing for election results in 2018 is kinda batshit. That said, it's only :tenbux: - but we lose so much more than that so I wouldn't wanna jinx it. In order to get to a place where Dutton becomes PM, we're talking about a stolen election. Not the way the Libs usually do it, through a coordinated media campaign of deceit - I mean the way the Republicans do it. Voter suppression, fraud, hacking, foreign collusion etc. It would mean the AFP and ASIO and other elements of the Home Affairs portfolio working to impugn the democratic process. While the infrastructure is there to support this, thanks to BOTH parties voting for it, Labor must be fairly convinced the checks and balances in place are sufficient to prevent it, or they wouldn't have voted for it, even if it would have given the libs/media a platform to campaign on.
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Aug 17, 2018 03:45
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The resemblance to Himmler is uncanny.
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Aug 17, 2018 04:06
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Peter Dutton will collaborate with Indonesian Boat Smugglers to hack the election and win a majority. Bill Shorten will be publicly hanged. Tax breaks for potato farmers.
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Anidav posted:Peter Dutton will collaborate with Indonesian Boat Smugglers to hack the election and win a majority. As long as anyone who moderates a forum is publicly shamed and sent to a gulag, then I can deal with it
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Aug 17, 2018 04:17
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The potato being PM sounds like our version. Of Trump but with less money.
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I'm not sure comparing an Australia election to a UK or US one is fair, they have opt in voting, we have compulsory voting. And barring anyone whose just skipped out on enrolling for year after year, we don't have a large number of people who go 'well, it'll probably be alright so I won't vote'.
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Dutton 4 fuhrer Vote 1
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Konomex posted:I'm not sure comparing an Australia election to a UK or US one is fair, they have opt in voting, we have compulsory voting. And barring anyone whose just skipped out on enrolling for year after year, we don't have a large number of people who go 'well, it'll probably be alright so I won't vote'. I feel like compulsory voting and the additional choice provided by STV make it even more astonishing we keep voting against our own interests
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I mean we have compulsory voting in that if you bother to enrol and don't show up on the day you get a fine. We still have a massive cohort of 18-25 year olds who either don't enrol or vote informally. They also don't take part in polls for the most part though, and the mass-enrolment during the SSM plebiscite may have some interesting side-effects.
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Aug 17, 2018 04:36
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Anidav posted:Tax breaks for potato farmers. tony galati can gently caress off
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Senor Tron posted:It's not a perfect analogy, but given the hell timeline we're living in I wouldn't be banking everything on Dutton losing the Libs votes. Never discount the hierarchial drones deciding "he's a bastard but he's OUR bastard". If the Libs can sell the threat to them well, that can be enough to corral the swingers. On the other hand, a whole bunch of millenials signed up to vote thanks to the plebiscite backfiring, and Dutton is so polarising it might offset that factor. We can only know with a vote.
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ewe2 posted:If the Libs can sell the threat to them well, that can be enough to corral the swingers. I find it's hard to tie swingers to a single option
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Konomex posted:I'm not sure comparing an Australia election to a UK or US one is fair, they have opt in voting, we have compulsory voting. And barring anyone whose just skipped out on enrolling for year after year, we don't have a large number of people who go 'well, it'll probably be alright so I won't vote'. Literally just over 9% of those enrolled at the 2016 election didn't vote (~approx.1.3m people). https://www.aec.gov.au/About_AEC/research/files/voter-turnout-2016.pdf Don Dongington posted:I mean we have compulsory voting in that if you bother to enrol and don't show up on the day you get a fine. From the same, only an average of 4% of votes were informal - 616000 people. Not hugely significant.
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https://thenewdaily.com.au/money/finance-news/2018/08/16/nbn-morrow-backflip-regional/ Lol the government actually had to oppose it for him to climb down. Just imagine what $20 extra for rural voters would have done. MysticalMachineGun posted:I find it's hard to tie swingers to a single option "swingers" in this sense being the Liberal voters who still think they are moderates.
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GoldStandardConure posted:don't you think it would be better though to let these people talk and not silence them though huh sunlight is the best disinfectant Nah, gently caress that  bullshit.
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snoremac posted:The resemblance to Himmler is uncanny.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Nah, gently caress that i wasn't serious
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