Succzone: If they take away your vote, there's only one way to take it back: VOTE

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MeatwadIsGod: Sep 30, 2004; Foretold by Gyromancy

loquacius posted:

I remain a Warren apologist and my take is still that she IS advocating for change even if she's said and done some off-color things that might give some people ITT cause to distrust her, and there's a decent chance she's gonna be our best choice in a couple years

Unless God forbid Bernie Sanders dies within the next couple years she is absolutely not our best choice, assuming she runs at all. Her consumer protection advocacy seems good but stuff like this bill is more of the same weak tea Dem reform. It's just more delicate pruning on the branches of a rotten tree.

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:12

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Agean90: Jun 28, 2008

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Unless God forbid Bernie Sanders dies within the next couple years she is absolutely not our best choice, assuming she runs at all. Her consumer protection advocacy seems good but stuff like this bill is more of the same weak tea Dem reform. It's just more delicate pruning on the branches of a rotten tree.

if Bernie dies itll suck but it's not a disaster becausenbow we have a new generation of decent politicians starting to make themselves known. OCASIO!

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:14

Mandoric: Mar 15, 2003

image of buff black dude and buff white dude shaking hands, except they're labeled "socialists" and "editorial pages" and the handshake is labeled "elizabeth warren is the absolute furthest the radical wing of the liberal party should be allowed to go, maybe a little too far"

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:18

Barry Convex: Sep 1, 2005; Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!

of course Tapper regurgitates the Mercatus talking points lol
https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1030469801066426370?s=21

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:20

MeatwadIsGod: Sep 30, 2004; Foretold by Gyromancy

Mandoric posted:

image of buff black dude and buff white dude shaking hands

My man go watch Predator

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:21

docbeard: Jul 19, 2011

MeatwadIsGod posted:

My man go watch Praydator

And empty 'em dreamcatchers while you're at it

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:21

Gunshow Poophole: Sep 14, 2008; OMBUDSMAN
POSTERS LOCAL 42069; Clapping Larry

Succers in my feed bitching about AOC having... Security concerns?

Im not sure what this is about

http://www.qchron.com/editions/queenswide/ocasio-cortez-bans-press-from-town-hall/article_e59fba26-ddd9-559a-af62-e11dd76e1191.html

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:27

loquacius: Oct 21, 2008

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Unless God forbid Bernie Sanders dies within the next couple years she is absolutely not our best choice, assuming she runs at all. Her consumer protection advocacy seems good but stuff like this bill is more of the same weak tea Dem reform. It's just more delicate pruning on the branches of a rotten tree.

The scenario I was describing was "Bernie decides he is too old and can't handle another campaign"; he's the only leftist other than Warren who is in a position to make a serious run at it right now unless somebody can catch 2016 Bernie lightning in a bottle again, and even if that were the case I'm not sure who I'd want it to be given that AOC is still too young

and also, point of order, and I'm saying this as a ryde-or-die Bernie Bro from the beginning: I don't think Bernie Sanders would Take Down Capitalism either. Short of an actual factual real-rear end Eleven-Eleven's-worst-nightmare violent revolution, some bold and comprehensive reform of the finance, education, insurance, and bandwidth industries paired with stronger labor union presence, campaign finance reform, and a reorganization of the American left's priorities to actually try to take it further is the best we could expect from him, and I don't think this makes him (or me) particularly cowardly because it's a lot to accomplish.

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:30

EugeneJ: Feb 5, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

Gunshow Poophole posted:

Succers in my feed bitching about AOC having... Security concerns?

Im not sure what this is about

http://www.qchron.com/editions/queenswide/ocasio-cortez-bans-press-from-town-hall/article_e59fba26-ddd9-559a-af62-e11dd76e1191.html

Good - I hope she uses White Noise machines while telling people how to start a revolution

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:30

Ruzihm: Aug 11, 2010; Group up and push mid, proletariat!

Barry Convex posted:

of course Tapper regurgitates the Mercatus talking points lol
https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1030469801066426370?s=21

wowie

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:31

PsychedelicWarlord: Sep 8, 2016

Barry Convex posted:

of course Tapper regurgitates the Mercatus talking points lol
https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1030469801066426370?s=21

Tapper is so awful. He's taking the Mercatus guy's damage control as gospel truth. Jesus

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:31

Ruzihm: Aug 11, 2010; Group up and push mid, proletariat!

Barry Convex posted:

of course Tapper regurgitates the Mercatus talking points lol
https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1030469801066426370?s=21

oh no hospital owners might not be able to afford their yachts :qq:

Edit: and even doctors still get a fat check

quote:

What If Doctors Got Paid Only Medicare Rates?
By Dr. Nilesh Kalyanaraman
August 31, 2011 at 1:52pm. 10 Comment(s) [ yeah i know its an old source]
Categorized in: Payment Reform

Whenever I think of our health care system I think of Dr. Frankenstein�s monster, assembled from an assortment of parts, trying to find and give love but reviled by all. Short of killing the monster, how do you fix it?

One of the biggest problems with our health care system is the unchecked growth of health care costs. We know that Medicare does a better job of controlling health care costs than private insurers. Along with this comes lower reimbursement rates for doctors which leads to the oft reported phenomenon of doctors not accepting new Medicare patients or dropping out of Medicare altogether.

Every time I read one of these stories I wonder why doctors can�t make a living based on their reimbursements. What would happen if we were paid Medicare rates for every patient we see? Would we really lose money or would we just be getting less than what we�re getting now? If so, how much less?

I was pleasantly surprised when about a month ago I came across a study looking at just this question: What if every doctor was paid Medicare rates? This study was published in March 2010 (I can�t believe I missed it) by the Urban Institute and the Medical Group Management Association for the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC). It used reported physician compensation along with RVUs to calculate what annual compensation (take home pay) would be if all services were paid for under Medicare rates. They took into account regional payment differences, practice expenses, and non-RVU based income.

They projected that if the average physician accepted payment based on the Medicare Fee Schedule her annual compensation (her take home pay) would be roughly $240,000. That�s sounds like a very nice yearly income. So why do some doctors not like Medicare reimbursement rates? It�s because that total represents a 12% loss in income from $272,000.

Let�s look at some more data. Take a look at the annual incomes for the following specialties and think about whether you consider these amounts fair compensations:

Orthopedics: $457,000

ENT: $380,000

Neurosurgery: $689,000

Radiology: $488,000

Those look like great incomes to me, and in fact, all four of these incomes would put you in the top 4% of incomes in the U.S. I picked these four because these would be the hardest hit under a universal Medicare payment plan, they all would take over a 20% hit in annual income. Here�s what the table looks like with the change in income:

Orthopedics: $362,000 -20.8% from $457,000

ENT: $282,000 -25.6% from $380,000

Neurosurgery: $462,000 -32.8% from $689,000

Radiology: $389,000 -20.2% from $488,000

Lest you think I�m unfairly biased against specialties, here�s what will happen to the three primary care fields:

Family medicine: $169,000 -10.6% from $189,000

Internal medicine: $175,000 -7.9% from $190,000

Pediatrics: $180,000 -8.5% from $197,000

These are not insignificant drops in income and I�m sympathetic to the idea that this would be a deep hit to doctors, myself included. If we�re going to curb health care costs (overall health care costs are rising at an unsustainable rate) we�re going to have to look at not just how doctors get paid but also how much they get paid. The point of highlighting this paper is to show that Medicare rates for all, on an absolute level, would provide an excellent income for doctors. It�s only because we get paid so much more that Medicare rates seem stingy.

It may be painful but at some point, we as a profession need to recognize that we are getting compensated very well and that we too will have to make sacrifices to maintain the solvency of our health care system. One of our duties in caring for our patients is making sure they can afford the care they need and if that means that I have to drop from the 94th to the 92nd percentile in income, I�m willing to take the hit.

Ruzihm fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Aug 17, 2018

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:36

loquacius: Oct 21, 2008

Ruzihm posted:

oh no hospital owners might not be able to afford their yachts

Imagine watching Scrubs and thinking Dr Kelso is the protagonist

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:38

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Barry Convex posted:

of course Tapper regurgitates the Mercatus talking points lol
https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1030469801066426370?s=21

fact check: some rich people said it was bad, so it is

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:38

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Condiv posted:

I know, I�m agreeing with you

oh my bad then

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:39

MeatwadIsGod: Sep 30, 2004; Foretold by Gyromancy

loquacius posted:

The scenario I was describing was "Bernie decides he is too old and can't handle another campaign"; he's the only leftist other than Warren who is in a position to make a serious run at it right now unless somebody can catch 2016 Bernie lightning in a bottle again, and even if that were the case I'm not sure who I'd want it to be given that AOC is still too young

and also, point of order, and I'm saying this as a ryde-or-die Bernie Bro from the beginning: I don't think Bernie Sanders would Take Down Capitalism either. Short of an actual factual real-rear end Eleven-Eleven's-worst-nightmare violent revolution, some bold and comprehensive reform of the finance, education, insurance, and bandwidth industries paired with stronger labor union presence, campaign finance reform, and a reorganization of the American left's priorities to actually try to take it further is the best we could expect from him, and I don't think this makes him (or me) particularly cowardly because it's a lot to accomplish.

Oh for sure. It's grim but I don't see capitalism getting overthrown without violent revolution or a major cataclysm. Sanders wants a 21st century New Deal which puts him lightyears ahead of any other Democratic candidate imo. If his administration could accomplish even 20 percent of his policies we'd have a far better quality of life and would be less of a nightmare compared to other developed countries.

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:41

A Handed Missus: Aug 6, 2012

Barry Convex posted:

of course Tapper regurgitates the Mercatus talking points lol
https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1030469801066426370?s=21

Tapper is so bad

�Whataboutism� Runs Amok as Jake Tapper Rattles Off Trump Talking Points

quote:

Borrowing straight from Trump administration talking points, Tapper reported on the UN voting 128 to 9 in an emergency session against the US moving its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem�a gesture effectively solidifying 50 years of illegal military occupation�by heavily implying antisemitism was to blame. In the segment, Tapper employed a popular, superficially appealing pro-Israel talking point that the UN was �singling out� Israel at the expense of other Bad Countries. �Among the 128 countries that voted to condemn the US on this issue,� Tapper charged, �were some countries with some questionable records of their own.�

He then listed Official Bad Guy countries Venezuela and Syria, along with their alleged crimes, as well as Yemen�a bizarre choice, since Yemen�s UN votes are cast by a government-in-name-only that�s been displaced by a rebellion, and hence isn�t responsible for much of anything. It would have made more sense to list Saudi Arabia, whose war on Yemen has killed thousands of civilians there, but the Saudis were suspiciously absent from Tapper�s segment.

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:42

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

yellow peril and black power were indistinguishable in tone during the 1960s and 70s. the black panther party got started selling maos red book in Berkeley for example, and their policy platform influenced the formation of Chinese radical left groups like the red guards in San Francisco and I Wor Kuhn in NYC.

at the same time, the liberal white media began pushing the model minority myth (first use of the term was in TIME Magazine: “those Asian American whiz kids”) and using them as a wedge to divide and conquer. add in a few more decades of nonprofit and foundation driven woke politics and the democrats cynically adopting a “black faces in high places” policy of tokenism and representation. you end up now with the memory hole worthy concept that black and asian people have always been in conflict with each other, and the asian american liberal political base being almost indistinguishable from the white one when it comes to white guilt and patronizing black people as the platonic ideal of victims.

not attacking those moments specifically, just adding context to that idiots idea that revolutions are bad for the marginalized when this country’s glorious history has been completely abysmal for the marginalized

sorry, I didn't mean to say that blacks and asians have always been in conflict in America. was just pointing out that they often are now, because white liberals have a bad habit of assuming that all non-whites have automatic solidarity with each other, when the reality is far more complicated. see also: the liberal tendency to lump a bunch of ethnic communities together under the single "Hispanic" label

Terror Sweat posted:

The model minority thing is a myth, every American hates all other races that aren’t them

its a "house slaves vs field slaves" thing. by granting one minority slightly better treatment than the others, that group becomes fearful and protective of that privilege and acts to keep the other minority groups from ascending to that position too. by directing different levels of discrimination at different groups, white society turns those groups against each other, as the higher-privilege groups become less willing to support pushes for equality from the lower-privilege groups. for example, even though Asian-Americans still face discrimination in the admissions process to elite universities, they still fare far better than African-Americans - and have therefore become supporters of the white efforts to dismantle affirmative action. the same thing happened in the Jewish-American community some decades back, and was a major factor in the breakdown of Jewish-black solidarity

and of course, there's an economic component to all this too, because the varying privilege levels are often organized along economic class lines, and the members of those groups that lead the charge to break down solidarity are typically the well-off ones. business owners, elite university attendees, sitting politicians. the breakdown of solidarity starts at the top, and the powerful influence and public reach of the rich means that it easily flows downhill from there

# ? Aug 17, 2018 16:48

Percelus: Sep 9, 2012; My command, your wish is

Ruzihm posted:

oh no hospital owners might not be able to afford their yachts

Edit: and even doctors still get a fat check

i'm fine with doctors getting a fat check under UHC, except for ben shapiro's wife - she has to work for nothing at gunpoint

# ? Aug 17, 2018 17:00

Lastgirl: Sep 7, 1997; Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Barry Convex posted:

of course Tapper regurgitates the Mercatus talking points lol
https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1030469801066426370?s=21

more and more I loathe Jake Tapper ever since he moderated the Parkland town hall and gave the NRA freebies

# ? Aug 17, 2018 17:33

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

meanwhile, the opposition party in the UK is putting out this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattzarb/status/1030401888368373760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

# ? Aug 17, 2018 17:45

Concerned Citizen: Jul 22, 2007; Ramrod XTreme

https://twitter.com/JohnKDelaney/status/1030482227765760000

# ? Aug 17, 2018 17:45

Ruzihm: Aug 11, 2010; Group up and push mid, proletariat!

Taintrunner posted:

meanwhile, the opposition party in the UK is putting out this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattzarb/status/1030401888368373760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

same but capitalism as a whole

# ? Aug 17, 2018 17:52

Calibanibal: Aug 25, 2015

IMHO: ghouls are worse than goblins

# ? Aug 17, 2018 18:13

baquerd: Jul 2, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

Main Paineframe posted:

sorry, I didn't mean to say that blacks and asians have always been in conflict in America. was just pointing out that they often are now, because white liberals have a bad habit of assuming that all non-whites have automatic solidarity with each other, when the reality is far more complicated. see also: the liberal tendency to lump a bunch of ethnic communities together under the single "Hispanic" label

In most of Asia, no one would blink twice at blatant racism against blacks. It's just generally taken as a given over there.

# ? Aug 17, 2018 18:16

Percelus: Sep 9, 2012; My command, your wish is

when the masses of incel chinese men start getting african mail order brides i think racial sentiment might change a little

# ? Aug 17, 2018 18:21

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

# ? Aug 17, 2018 18:26

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Calibanibal posted:

IMHO: ghouls are worse than goblins

the save-or-paralyze is the worst part unless you're an elf

# ? Aug 17, 2018 18:32

The Ol Spicy Keychain: Jan 17, 2013; I MEPHISTO MY OWN ASSHOLE

https://twitter.com/danpfeiffer/status/1030487594285510661

tfw the russia probe is the first thing on your mind when trump is floating the idea of more blackwater war criminals running amok in Afghanistan

# ? Aug 17, 2018 18:38

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

really queer Christmas posted:

hmm Nixon seems bad then, maybe nyc dsa shouldn’t have endorsed her then

NYC DSA specifically did not endorse Cynthia Nixon and stated that they only endorse socialists

They did say she was clearly the better choice of the two primary candidates but idk I guess that is not the same thing as an endorsement.

She really hosed herself horribly by picking a fight with the MTA unions though jfc. I hope that mistake was not a fatal one.

# ? Aug 17, 2018 18:58

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

NYC DSA absolutely did endorse her, unfortunately

# ? Aug 17, 2018 19:02

Squizzle: Apr 24, 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIOBPR6V7W4

# ? Aug 17, 2018 19:12

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

GalacticAcid posted:

NYC DSA absolutely did endorse her, unfortunately

i thought some branches voted to endorse but the citywide org as a whole didn't

# ? Aug 17, 2018 19:13

Barry Convex: Sep 1, 2005; Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!

Raskolnikov38 posted:

i thought some branches voted to endorse but the citywide org as a whole didn't

nope you got it backwards

at least my branch (North Brooklyn) voted against endorsement

# ? Aug 17, 2018 19:23

Gene Hackman Fan: Dec 27, 2002; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Calibanibal posted:

IMHO: ghouls are worse than goblins

To be fair, both games were pretty difficult to begin with � not to mention that you have to essentially beat them twice.

# ? Aug 17, 2018 19:27

Shear Modulus: Jun 9, 2010

goblins never come alone though. they come in packs

# ? Aug 17, 2018 19:36

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

https://twitter.com/peterfeld/status/1030474020976844805

# ? Aug 17, 2018 19:36

tenderjerk: Nov 6, 2008; Can't post for 360 days!

SKULL.GIF posted:

https://twitter.com/peterfeld/status/1030474020976844805

this is embarrassing as heck and dems deserve all of the misfortune

# ? Aug 17, 2018 19:41

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

Raskolnikov38 posted:

i thought some branches voted to endorse but the citywide org as a whole didn't

Barry Convex posted:

nope you got it backwards

at least my branch (North Brooklyn) voted against endorsement

Barry is correct.

Queens voted No as well, as did I think Bronx Upper Manhattan

Manhattan voted yes and the city wide org voted yes, including with the votes of representatives of my branch (Queens). I guess I should note that I decided to officially leave the organization after that

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really queer Christmas: Apr 22, 2014

SKULL.GIF posted:

https://twitter.com/peterfeld/status/1030474020976844805

why would they forget 2020? they�re gonna go hard for the succ voters and establishment support.

# ? Aug 17, 2018 19:44

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