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Japan would be a useless Ally in any European war. They'll never ship troops over and they're navy wouldn't arrive in time to be of any use. Also the land they could occupy in a war vs Russia would be complete garbage and wouldn't turn the tide at all, If they even bothered to ship any troops anyway. We need a strong European Ally if we have any hope to survive the DM, Moroccan, and Russian axis. If we can't find one then we need the most heavily guarded border and the strongest navy in the world to defend ourselves. Don't forget that if we fight by ourselves, our navy would have to fight both the DM and Morrocan navies combined which isn't impossible but would be very difficult and costly.
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I'm pretty sure the Great War is just going to be the Russians going "gently caress it" and deciding to annex everything between St. Petersburg and Qadis. e: Also, in terms of flavor, it will be interesting to see how this war gets remembered. Except for Russia and Andalus, everyone seems to have suffered really severe occupations and humiliations. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Aug 18, 2018 20:28
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If we sphere Morocco they can't do poo poo to us since you need to have less than 100 relations to war dec on someone, do a full charm offensive on Russia and we could he able to work ourselves into an alliance with them, or at least disrupt their alliance with the dm
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Aug 18, 2018 20:36
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Zikan posted:thank you for this delicious poison pill so voting socialist isn't a complete no brainer yeah i think this plus the threat of reactionary revolt and such might make a good argument for voting moderate, it's too early to turtle up and give the world the finger while passing reforms that many powerful countries and lots of our citizens won't like. that's playing with fire, and i think the history of al-andalus suggests that when we play with fire we burn down our entire peninsula bottom line is, our past votes for conservatives and such got us the territory we wanted, but those votes still have consequences in-game. even if hashim can navigate an instantaneous 180-degree political reorientation in-game, which i imagine he could, i don't think he'd do it in this LP, he certainly hasn't done it thus far. there are powerful people in al-andalus who have been building careers, families, and ideologies under reactionary governments for generations, and they're probably at the height of their prestige right now. it might take a few decades to rein all that in safely while dealing with the foreign political climate
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Agean90 posted:Morocco's no longer a gp you say? *extremely mortal Kombat voice* SPHERE THEM We might be able to sphere them for a little while, but our relations are as bad as they'll get so it'll take years, and they'll probably be back in GP contention before long. Ikasuhito posted:Oh hey, I just realized that Provence became a republic. When did that happen? Sometime in the late 1870s I think? Probably should've included it, but I'll try and sneak something into the next update.
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And so continues the long standing tradition of voting out the parties that have been successful. Surely, the goons cry out in a red chorus, the socialists will build a utopia. I eagerly await the reactionary backlash and subsequent purges, and will be happy to cast another royalist vote if that’s the way the wind is blowing.
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Aug 18, 2018 21:14
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I don't think we can be safe in Iberia without a top-notch navy, and the socialists not wanting to ally with non-socialist states would also be a big threat to our security, unless Russia goes red or something.
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Aug 18, 2018 21:20
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Congratulations everyone! We united Andalus! I'd rather have Tangier than Kilwa, but whatever. I'm sad the SGU hates us now, they're cool and i wanted to help them unite Germany  Oh well, if we're fishing for allies i support reaching out for the Celts and maaybe Russia. We need alliances, or else we risk losing the stuff we just got.
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Aug 18, 2018 21:22
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I don't give a poo poo how impractical it is. Sphere Morroco. I'll go fully Royalist if I have to damnit. I never thought I'd say those words.
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on a random note, i was curious about the irl narbuna (Narbonne) and apparently they were a big port city until the 1300's, when a dam the Romans had built 1000 years before finally blew out, the river and the coastline silted up, and the town suddenly lost its commercial reaison d'etre. they had to stop building a cathedral halfway through: i'd like to imagine that in this world tirruni or someone built half a mosque right up next to it i need to reread the LP, i guess, but i feel like this stretch of coast has been at the center of a weird bi-religious western Mediterranean ecumene that developed instead of what we know as irl Christendom for centuries now, and i wonder if it's got some specific significance to it that barcelona or marseille wouldn't wikipedia told me to attribute the author of this work so i'm totally gonna do it, im a good boy By Benh LIEU SONG - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=4325485 here's the link to the 4005x2946 original oystertoadfish fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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loving love Fiona Apple posted:Japan would be a useless Ally in any European war. They'll never ship troops over and they're navy wouldn't arrive in time to be of any use. Also the land they could occupy in a war vs Russia would be complete garbage and wouldn't turn the tide at all, If they even bothered to ship any troops anyway. You really underestimate how useful it is to bait the AI to sending half its army running back and forth across eurasia.
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Aug 18, 2018 21:47
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Assuming that we don't go socialist (and thereby shooting ourselves in the foot) why not try allying Hannover? They're back to GP status, maybe they've recovered enough to be useful?
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Aug 18, 2018 21:48
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Can't you not build up influence with a country you have a truce with? We couldn't even START sphering Morocco until five years after the war ended. BTW, if Hannover's AI were remotely competent, it could form Germany right now just with sphering SGU and the minors. Hannover doesn't have a truce with SGU but Dual Monarchy and Russia, the only two countries that'd be interested in doing so, do.
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Red John posted:And so continues the long standing tradition of voting out the parties that have been successful. Surely, the goons cry out in a red chorus, the socialists will build a utopia. In terms of reforms Al-Andalus is a loving horrible place to live in compared to most of real Europe in the late 19th century, which is an offensively low bar. I just would like our factories to not be powered entirely by children working 16 hour days.
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Aug 18, 2018 21:53
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I would have thought 30-ish years of liberal rule would be helping us climb out of the reactionary cesspit but I guess even when Al-Andalus wins its people can't have nice things.
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Aren't the Imperialists moving us steadily to the left in terms of reforms though? I thought they were the 'safe' liberal party, unlike the Socialists who want FULL REVOLUTION NOW!1!!!!!
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CommissarMega posted:Aren't the Imperialists moving us steadily to the left in terms of reforms though? I thought they were the 'safe' liberal party, unlike the Socialists who want FULL REVOLUTION NOW!1!!!!! Nope, liberals in Victoria don't support any kind of social reform, because someone decided that the way that parties work had to be totally symmetric. So they will give everyone the vote but no state education / healthcare / working hours restrictions, unless a huge chunk of the population is rebelling over it. And socialists don't have anything to do with revolution, they just want the state to interfere with markets.
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The world as a whole seems pretty horrible, even by the low standards of our own world. I'm not sure what social reforms have been passed elsewhere, but there seems to be hellwars every few decades and the world only just managed to shake off the influence of a multi-continent, expansionist slave empire.
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CommissarMega posted:I thought they were the 'safe' liberal party, unlike the Socialists who want FULL REVOLUTION NOW!1!!!!! Communists are the party of revolution now. Socialists are social democrats, ie, the safe feel good party.
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Not all revolutions must be bloody. Should the government be wise and listen to the people no blood must be shed for progress.
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Patter Song posted:Can't you not build up influence with a country you have a truce with? We couldn't even START sphering Morocco until five years after the war ended. Crap, I always forget about that. In that case, the Royalists would probably start advocating for preventive wars against Morocco, using any excuse to keep them down and ensure they don't challenge Al Andalus again. The other parties would definitely want to avoid another large-scale war though, with only the Imperialists pouncing at opportune moments to snipe valuable colonies.
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ChaseSP posted:Not all revolutions must be bloody. Should the government be wise and listen to the people no blood must be shed for progress. I think history has shown us that the Andalusi government is the exact opposite of wise and only manages to succeed through sheer persistence.
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Grizzwold posted:I think history has shown us that the Andalusi government is the exact opposite of wise and only manages to succeed through sheer persistence. I think what history has actually shown us is that the Merchants/Imperialists were right all along.
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Would socialists be interested in political reforms? I feel like getting full on democracy would be a really good idea before going full socialist. Right now the Sultan and the Royalists are way too strong and could set things back massively with reactionary moves.
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The Celts are a pretty great ally why dont we ally with them now?
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Morrow posted:The Celts are a pretty great ally why dont we ally with them now? You only want winners and/or giant manpower pools as allies. Celts as likely to do what they did this war again i.e. collapse and feed war score
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After over a century, Ibera is united once more. ...It's so beautiful, someone get our poets on this.
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Can't we just vote Socialists in, unban Communism, and then vote Communists in for a strong navy
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habeasdorkus posted:Would socialists be interested in political reforms? I feel like getting full on democracy would be a really good idea before going full socialist. Right now the Sultan and the Royalists are way too strong and could set things back massively with reactionary moves. Just like liberals will only vote for social reforms under high militancy, socialists will need the population to be on the verge of rebelling before they consider passing any political reforms. So right now even though together they outnumber the conservatives and reactionaries in the Majils nothing's getting done because they refuse to work with each other.
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Grizzwold posted:Just like liberals will only vote for social reforms under high militancy, socialists will need the population to be on the verge of rebelling before they consider passing any political reforms. So right now even though together they outnumber the conservatives and reactionaries in the Majils nothing's getting done because they refuse to work with each other. To be fair that is the realest representation of Lib-Left relations ever
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Our gains in this war were paid for not only with Andalusi blood, but with the blood of all of Europe's commonfolk. Now is not the time to crown a king, but instead to make a world where all men are kings. The time of the People is here.
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Clearly the best allies are the ones we dont have at any given point. Though the SGU and Celts made for good decoys, which is usually what our role is in these kind of wars.
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It makes lots of sense and is a very cool and good mechanic that Socialists prefer to hang out with Conservatives and Reactionaries to make sure that only the capitalists and hereditary nobility are allowed to have any political power rather than working with Liberals to pass reforms. :cryingvictoria2logo:
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Jack2142 posted:We should make friends with the Russians I totally agree, we don't need the Germans their losers, time to make an alliance with the Russians and also time to seize all the other lands that have been lost. Also the imperialists didn't humiliate the Berbers, is this got anything to do with the Vizier possibly being a Libyan? Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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who nearly won the war of its useless allies. They also were the only ones to try to give us Iberia decades ago.
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Crazycryodude posted:It makes lots of sense and is a very cool and good mechanic that Socialists prefer to hang out with Conservatives and Reactionaries to make sure that only the capitalists and hereditary nobility are allowed to have any political power rather than working with Liberals to pass reforms. I actually like to pretend the reason Socialists won't pass political reforms is because the political reforms aren't "good enough" so they drag their heels and refuse to work with Liberals.
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Yeah, it can kinda make sense like that here and there, but then they'll also do poo poo like have the Liberals pushing to legalize Socialist trade unions and the literal Socialist Party will go "nah trade unions are a political reform, let's actively work to keep socialist unions illegal", or theoretically you could have Liberals trying to abolish chattel slavery and the Socialists fighting against them.
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Hashim posted:Socialists will defend their borders, but they're not gonna spend vast sums of money expanding and modernising the navy, not when there are factories that need opening and railways that need constructing. They'll probably build a few fortresses too, though not as much as the Moderates would. This is like the only vicky2 lp where boats have been good and useful so gently caress the socialists if we really are gonna go full isolationist.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:I'm thinking voting Socialists is incredibly important, if for no other reason than they will never ATTACK into mountains, just dig into them while researching all the fort/dig in bonus techs we've overlooked. We've got a drat fine state, a drat fine navy, and drat fine borders now. Let's grab all the high-end manufacturing techs and become a shining city on a hill. gently caress whatever all the other Euro powers want, we're no longer interested in their petty self destructive squabbles. We honestly might need a term of Royalists eventually. I'm deeply concerned by how France managed to spin around and knock out some of our armies with superior miltech at the end there.
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Yea, I always play Vicky 2 with a mod (Age of Politics) which makes the parties voting preferences make more sense (socalists support political reforms, liberals moderately support social reforms, and are more effected by militancy in if they will reform than conservatives - reactionaries never will)
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Yea, I always play Vicky 2 with a mod (Age of Politics) which makes the parties voting preferences make more sense (socalists support political reforms, liberals moderately support social reforms, and are more effected by militancy in if they will reform than conservatives - reactionaries never will) Liberals being vehemently against social reforms is pretty accurate to the period, though.
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