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Yeah turbos feel like NA now.
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I think they still feel different-but-good in a way. The power hits way earlier in the revs, at the cost of a little less top end and throttle response. Comparing the new caymans to the older crop is p revelating for example.
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Aug 24, 2018 20:28
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I find them boring to drive, I've realized I just prefer less powerful NA cars that like to rev.
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Aug 24, 2018 20:31
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BlackMK4 posted:To be fair, turbos have come a long way in the past ten years, let alone twenty. It's not like it used to be where they were all laggy and came on in a huge hit. My father’s mid-life-crisis-mobile was a 1984-1/2 Datsun/Nissan Pulsar Turbo (it had a “DATSUN by Nissan ” badge on the decklid). It was my first turbo. First time I took it out - in South Philadelphia - I was winding it out in second gear when the turbo lag...ended. I nearly piled it into a trolley stop island. Scared the poo poo out of me.
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Aug 24, 2018 23:21
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PainterofCrap posted:My father’s mid-life-crisis-mobile was a 1984-1/2 Datsun/Nissan Pulsar Turbo (it had a “DATSUN by Nissan ” badge on the decklid). Was that the one with the swapable hatchback?
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Aug 24, 2018 23:51
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BloodBag posted:The duratec 3.0 that was in my mazda 6 resembles this comment. What a fuckin slug of an engine.  Look at this guy who never drove a Vulcan-powered anvil. The Duratec was the cat's rear end for a while.Edit: Wow, actually beaten.
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Aug 25, 2018 02:51
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The CVH 2.0 in my 99 Escort was thrashed by the K20A2 in my RSX five years later. Same displacement and twice the power with slightly better fuel economy. That's when I decided to never buy American again.
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Aug 25, 2018 03:05
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Mister Kingdom posted:Was that the one with the swapable hatchback? No...that was the NX. The Pulsar was tiny. What killed it was, the 5-speed gearbox wasn’t beefy enough to handle the hockey-stick torque curve & it kept blowing intermediary shaft bearings. My dad had it rebuilt twice before I inherited the car when he died...it had already lost second gear by the time I picked it up. The turbo variant was only made in that half- year & finding transmissions involved a grail search & big bucks. I miss that l’il turbosneaker. PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Aug 25, 2018 |
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Aug 25, 2018 04:28
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Those were sold here as the Pulsar ET Turbo. Torque steer for days. The Pulsar GTi-R that came out in 1990 continued the proud Nissan tradition of transverse engine cars that were too powerful for their drivetrains. They ate rear diffs and wheel bearings constantly.
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Aug 25, 2018 05:02
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BloodBag posted:The duratec 3.0 that was in my mazda 6 resembles this comment. What a fuckin slug of an engine. Eh? Mine scoots along well enough so long as you get it up above 3.5k rpm so the vvt kicks in. I actually took it out and hammered on it to see what it would do 0-60 and it pulled 7.5-8s fairly reliably despite the terrible jatco slushbox in it. Not fast, but not slow either. Just right for a 14 year old, 128k mile family wagon imo. And still quicker than my truck.
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Aug 25, 2018 07:05
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BlackMK4 posted:I find them boring to drive, I've realized I just prefer less powerful NA cars that like to rev. Thing is most of the current commuter type NA engines don't like to rev much either - the Skyactiv 2.5 in my Mazda 3 is an example of such
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Aug 25, 2018 07:12
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dissss posted:Thing is most of the current commuter type NA engines don't like to rev much either - the Skyactiv 2.5 in my Mazda 3 is an example of such
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Aug 25, 2018 16:47
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Midjack posted:The CVH 2.0 in my 99 Escort was thrashed by the K20A2 in my RSX five years later. Same displacement and twice the power with slightly better fuel economy. That's when I decided to never buy American again. Dude, that was the last gasp (well, the first gen Focus was) of an engine designed in Europe in the 1970s. The K-series was introduced in 2001. Not exactly apples to apples.
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Godholio posted:Dude, that was the last gasp (well, the first gen Focus was) of an engine designed in Europe in the 1970s. The K-series was introduced in 2001. Not exactly apples to apples. Looking back at the intervening 14 years and even counting my Subaru debacle, it's still been the right choice.
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Aug 25, 2018 19:15
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dissss posted:Thing is most of the current commuter type NA engines don't like to rev much either - the Skyactiv 2.5 in my Mazda 3 is an example of such My commuter revs to 8700  But yeah, you are definitely right.
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Aug 25, 2018 20:17
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Darchangel posted:....why? It was a good car! The starter breaking is a thing that happens. It was broken for 3 months because you can't really repair a starter and I didn't have any money for a new one despite working 3 jobs and there were enough hills around that I rarely had trouble pop starting the thing. The car had a bazillion miles on it and aside from the starter and the clutch nothing ever broke on that thing and it was reliable as hell. The clutch is a wear item so I don't hold that against it. If you were asking about the 88 Escort, it was the first car I ever bought back in 1997 and I had no money then either. R-Type posted:shortspecialbus What does regdate have to do with it?  Beach Bum posted:The Prizm is just a GM Corolla, with that venerable 4A motor. They really weren't terrible cars, they just weren't Hondas. More or less, yeah. It was a decent car all things considered, especially for the price I got it at. Darchangel posted:I would miss a cheap, reliable car, but not so much junk that broke, and stayed that way for extended periods. It stayed broke because I didn't know how to repair a starter and I couldn't afford a new one. Not the car's fault. Even with that problem I had little trouble with it, pop-starting isn't difficult. The Door Frame posted:It's like Mr. Regular says, it's often not about the car itself, but more about what the car means to you, and the memories that you have attached to it and the period the car came from. They have a certain character and charm that let's us overlook their very obvious flaws That's definitely a lot of it. I had that car through a large chunk of my 20's and there's lots of memories where it either features prominently or at least is in the background. I talked about the couple problems it had in like 8 years of ownership without really anything else, which probably gives a skewed perspective. It drove well and I was never worried it would leave me stranded somewhere. It was also easy to do general maintenance on and even the starter was easy once I had money for one. ssb fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Aug 25, 2018 |
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Aug 25, 2018 20:48
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BlackMK4 posted:My commuter revs to 8700 Mine only revs to 7000, but makes peak power at 6750. Good excuse to buzz the limiter on the slip road halfway through my commute. 
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Aug 25, 2018 21:29
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evil_bunnY posted:Most turbos die shortly above midrange too (small ones spool quick and die early). Try driving a small diesel and you will instantly believe that yes, cars can be purely emotionless appliance. A gob of torque at spoolup and then absolutely nothing.
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Aug 26, 2018 19:24
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Fram: Not just our filters are complete poo poo.
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Aug 27, 2018 00:58
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I followed an older Lexus GS300 for a while today and the horrible mechanical failure is that the rear fog lamps (pale pink so they look just like the reverse lamps) were wired to come on with the brake lamps. At least, I assume it was a failure. There's no way that the car came that way from the factory, right?
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Aug 28, 2018 02:03
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Sagebrush posted:I followed an older Lexus GS300 for a while today and the horrible mechanical failure is that the rear fog lamps (pale pink so they look just like the reverse lamps) were wired to come on with the brake lamps. There's such a thing as rear fog lamps?
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Aug 28, 2018 02:06
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I know just what he's talking about, certain years for those cars had the inner brake lights fade from red to pink/white and it looks a lot like reverse lights.
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Aug 28, 2018 02:09
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Inner brake lights? Those aren't rear fogs? Why would you need five brake lights
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Aug 28, 2018 02:13
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Why the gently caress would you need rear fogs in the first place???
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Aug 28, 2018 02:14
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Most german cars come with rear fogs?
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Aug 28, 2018 02:16
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Why the gently caress would you need rear fogs in the first place??? It's a Europe thing as far as I know.
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Aug 28, 2018 02:17
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Why the gently caress would you need rear fogs in the first place??? Lots of cars have them. Hyundai Excels came with them for one trim level. An every dumb motherfucker that has them on their car leaves them on at all times, regardless of road conditions. I guess destroying what little night vision the guy behind you might have had is necessary when driving through dusk traffic 
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Aug 28, 2018 02:20
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Why the gently caress would you need rear fogs in the first place??? e: It's actually illegal to use them when it's not foggy here.
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Aug 28, 2018 02:23
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Memento posted:Lots of cars have them. Hyundai Excels came with them for one trim level. That's why I'm boggled. I usually keep my front fog lights on when I'm driving on rural roads at night because they give me more coverage on the shoulders where animals might be lurking, but I can't see any real improvement in my driving safety by having bright lights shining BEHIND me. I mean, if you're worried about seeing what's behind you, that's what backup lights that turn on while you're already in reverse are for. And you should probably have illumination on your license plate. But what's the loving point of lighting up the space you just vacated?
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:That's why I'm boggled. I usually keep my front fog lights on when I'm driving on rural roads at night because they give me more coverage on the shoulders where animals might be lurking, but I can't see any real improvement in my driving safety by having bright lights shining BEHIND me. I mean, if you're worried about seeing what's behind you, that's what backup lights that turn on while you're already in reverse are for. And you should probably have illumination on your license plate. But what's the loving point of lighting up the space you just vacated? It's not about lighting up anything. It's a beacon for the car behind you in foggy conditions when your taillights might not be enough.
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If it's insanely foggy and you're doing 30 in a 60 zone, I can get it. But it basically doesn't ever get that foggy in 99% of the places that sell cars with them equipped.
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Sagebrush posted:Inner brake lights? Those aren't rear fogs? It's not uncommon for cars to have part of the brake light on the rear hatch/trunklid, they just usually are "attached" to the rest of the brake light, so it looks like 1 big lense. Not sure why Toyota thought having them completely separate was a good idea, but they did a similar setup in the is300 as well. Not sure why the is300 don't have the same fading issue the gs300 did.
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Deteriorata posted:It's not about lighting up anything. It's a beacon for the car behind you in foggy conditions when your taillights might not be enough. I've lived in foggy and snowy places most of my life, and I've never had to worry about that as long as I don't overdrive my headlights. But okay.
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Memento posted:Lots of cars have them. Hyundai Excels came with them for one trim level. There was a guy on a car forum years ago who was asking how to mod his car so the reverse lights were always on because he thought it would look cool. When told it would piss off anyone who drove behind him, he gave the typical "I don't care, it's my car, I can do what I want"
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Sagebrush posted:Inner brake lights? Those aren't rear fogs? My guess is that they are required in certain Euro countries (but not in the US) and Lexus didn't want to make two different versions of the rear fascia. So, they wired them as additional brake lights in markets that don't require rear fogs. European versions of my BMW came with rear fogs, which are located in unused sections of the taillights in US cars (there's a blank plate there instead). I drilled it out and added them because EDM YO (and also because I almost got rear ended once at high speed on an extremely foggy day by a dipshit who was driving way too fast in it). The idea is not to improve rear visibility for the driver, it's to allow other drivers to see you from further out in an effort to prevent (or at least cut down on) accidents in heavy fog. e:fb
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Cojawfee posted:There was a guy on a car forum years ago who was asking how to mod his car so the reverse lights were always on because he thought it would look cool. When told it would piss off anyone who drove behind him, he gave the typical "I don't care, it's my car, I can do what I want" Oh that's easy, just drive a late-70s Holden Gemini with the 5-speed gearbox. I've seen a few of those going down the highway in fifth, reverse lights blazing away. Something to do with the shifter getting a little loose as they age and impinging on the reverse light switch on top of the gearbox.
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Aug 28, 2018 03:02
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Fermented Tinal posted:Fram: Not just our filters are complete poo poo. Heh. Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKm-wcxkl5U A 288 GTO running with a Fram filter.
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The reason some idiots drive with rear fogs on is because "cool" people always drive with foglights on, and beeing cool, they just pull on the light switch really cool and put it in the full fog mode that includes the rears without realizing. It's sad and fun at the same time, because here people will flash their highbeams pretty frequently because of it, and poo poo drivers are just to retarded to get it. Hell, I once was behind a guy with really bright LED rear foglights and was flashing at him for like 5 minutes, got an opportunity to pass so the truck behind me (with like 50 auxillary floodlights wired to the highbeams) took over. Guy still didn't get it. 
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Aug 28, 2018 06:48
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Rear fog lights are amazing when they are used as intended. I've driven through fog where it'd be very easy to get rear-ended if the bright fog light wasn't shining and showing the position. For the very same reason it's something that you very rarely use. Front fog lights is something that most idiots here (despite it being illegal and dangerous) drive around with in combination with their normal low beam lights. It's too much light and in conditions like rain it's kinda like driving around with full beams on all the time. All because it looks "cool".
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Subarus with eyesight will temporarily turn a single fog light on when turning at night, stated theory is it improves the camera's ability to track the corner. If it needs that light, why aren't they on all the time or why not make the cameras more sensitive?  I wonder what that looks like to oncoming traffic, some dumbass flickering a single lamp on then off.
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