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MrOnBicycle posted:Yeah I really doubt the average is anywhere close to 180hp. I'd guess between 100-140hp. Stats rules everything around me. Nidhg00670000 posted:Avg displacement on new cars sold in Sweden is 1797 cm3, only Luxemburg buy larger engines in Europe. Compare with for example Denmark at 1385 cm3. New Swedish cars have on avg 149,6 hp, in Denmark it's 104,7 hp. Just saying.
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Mmm, a period go-faster build in general would be really interesting. OHV conversions for flathead V8s and so on.
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Since the euro displacement tangent sprung up again, let me tell you the tales and wonders of the beatiful world of Italian car ownership. You pay an ownership tax based on the power AND the euro emission class. If you have an engine with more than 185 kW (252 HP) you pay 20€ for each kW extra after 185. You pay your insurance based on a matrix of values (sex, age, city, years since the last accident, safety equipment installed on the vehicle and displacement) where the second most important is displacement(the main one is age, until 30 yrs old you get classified as hormone fuelled teenager and you get hosed by the insurance rates). The third tax package is on fuels, i'll let you take a look at our madness in this wiki article https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accisa_sui_carburanti just to let that sink in, yes we are still paying taxes motivated to cover the war expenses for the ethiopian colony wars in the 1935-36(but to avoid looking like idiots we officially unified the 12 motivations into a unified tax package in 1995). We had a lot of other clever ideas over the years with engine restrictions, we had a "supertax" back in the petrol crisis years where you got an hefty extra tax if you got more than 2l displacement so you had even maseratis, ferraris, lamborghinis and so on with itty bitty engines in order to avoid paying the tax. We recently introduced a learner license limit so that new drivers cannot drive a car with a engine power over 70kW and a power to weight ratio better than 55kW per ton making a lot of families unable to let their kid use the family car(most fiats were too powerful for their weight so they had to create a depowered variant of the 1.2l fire engine for the punto and the panda to avoid being cut from their golden goose of families buying the first car for their kids). Just to give you an example, my old Suzuki swift 4x4, with a tiny euro4 petrol engine and 67kw costs me 173€/year in ownership taxes alone(insurance is a cool 5 hundo and I have passed my thirties since quite a while  ).
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Godholio posted:My 300hp 327 dynoed 205 at the wheels in '09 or 10. The changeover from Gross HP to SAE Net HP was 1971. It’s pretty easy to see in GM cars where the engines and compression ratio, etc. didn’t change from ‘70 to ‘71, like my Olds Cutlass. My factory-rated 310 (gross) HP Olds 350 CI V8 put down a bit over 215 HP at the rear wheels, with headers, dual exhaust, mild cam, and intake. That same engine in ‘71 was rated at closer to 250 HP net at the flywheel. Phone posting, so I don’t have exact numbers, but it was a significant difference. Gross HP numbers were with open exhaust manifolds and no accessories at all, and hand picked and tuned. SAE net required all accessories and belts, and full exhaust as installed. Emissions hit shortly after that, killing rated HP even more.
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Kafouille posted:Here in France the tax is now CO2 + Horsepower. I plugged the numbers for a Hellcat in the calculator, it would cost around 21000 Euro to register it. €8712.40/year in Italy
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My engines are 7.5 and 7.3 liters, and produce so god drat much of everything, and they're $87/year each because i live in a free country 
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Couldn't get a picture of it, but I saw someone driving a pre-OIF, 2 door HMMWV. It was registered as a road vehicle and just riding with the top down, which is super cool to me. It's been a while since I saw one in person, and I forgot how big and loud those things are Super loving slow though, and the vehicle didn't seem to like braking very much. Even from a few cars away, I could see him fighting the brake bias as he came to a stop from 35mph
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The Door Frame posted:Couldn't get a picture of it, but I saw someone driving a pre-OIF, 2 door HMMWV. It was registered as a road vehicle and just riding with the top down, which is super cool to me. It's been a while since I saw one in person, and I forgot how big and loud those things are There are like, a million being filtered through govplanet. https://www.govplanet.com/Humvees?kwtag=categorycarousel It was hilarious for a while seeing everybody thinking they were gonna make a pile of money buying, pimping, and reselling them, but everybody knows they're hot garbage. It seems even the "nice" ones go under $10k these days.
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Powershift posted:There are like, a million being filtered through govplanet. Oh, you can walk away with one for a few grand? That's much less cool than I thought it was. Still, kudos to him for buying it, registering it, and actually driving it
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Powershift posted:My engines are 7.5 and 7.3 liters, and produce so god drat much of everything, and they're $87/year each because i live in a free country 30 years or older is tax exempt because I live in a free country 
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Nidhg00670000 posted:30 years or older is tax exempt because I live in a free country my 7.3 is only 19 years old 
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Nidhg00670000 posted:Stats rules everything around me. Cool! I was trying to google some stats but only found displacement. Well wasn't that far off!
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Powershift posted:There are like, a million being filtered through govplanet. The thought has crossed my mind to buy one as a work truck. Then I remember the last 6.5 GM diesel I touched, what a hunk of poo poo. 55mph on the interstate would probably get old, too.
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Powershift posted:My engines are 7.5 and 7.3 liters, and produce so god drat much of everything, and they're $87/year each because i live in a free  IDK how bad it would be in Ontario since I've never owned a car here, but I'm sure it's far, far, worse, especially in the GTA. Anyway, have some cool pics: https://petrolicious.com/articles/take-a-tour-through-the-ultimate-automotive-candy-store-at-techno-classica    
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What is that? 
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Clearly it's a STEENBUCK
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Isdera
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:Clearly it's a STEENBUCK Every car should have a street sign affixed to its front end
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Going back to the M5, where the hell are they running 10-second quarter miles with no cage? You can’t do that at any strip I’ve ever been to. Just what the hell is a person supposed to actually do with all this power?
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Dadliest Worrier posted:Going back to the M5, where the hell are they running 10-second quarter miles with no cage? You can’t do that at any strip I’ve ever been to. Just what the hell is a person supposed to actually do with all this power? -Be a belligerent soccer mom. -race overeager kids at red lights -never actually use that power, car is permanently locked in comfort mode. -wrap it around a fancy tree when you do Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Aug 26, 2018 |
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   That would be a pretty cool garage addition if I had a big snowy driveway up north.
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Dadliest Worrier posted:Going back to the M5, where the hell are they running 10-second quarter miles with no cage? You can’t do that at any strip I’ve ever been to. Just what the hell is a person supposed to actually do with all this power? nah, the better questions is what will it do on real tires and a prepped track with a couple of kids in the back
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Dennis McClaren posted:
I guess you get in by climbing over the seatback through the hatch?
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You can't see the operator in that photo, because he's an infant lying on the floor. They built it around him, and he will grow into it.
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BlackMK4 posted:nah, the better questions is what will it do on real tires and a prepped track with a couple of kids in the back Shaken baby syndrome
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Rigged Death Trap posted:-never actually use that power, car is permanently locked in comfort mode. It’s depressing how much fuel is wasted on AMG and M cars that are just 4,000-lb display cases for the most expensive badging. The owners would have better cars if they’d just settle for the S550 or 550i or whatever.
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Craptacular posted:I guess you get in by climbing over the seatback through the hatch? No hatch. That is rear engined.
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Dadliest Worrier posted:It’s depressing how much fuel is wasted on AMG and M cars that are just 4,000-lb display cases for the most expensive badging. The owners would have better cars if they’d just settle for the S550 or 550i or whatever. Yes but then we get to buy them cheap and hoon them. There's a low mileage 2006 SL85 near me that I'm keeping my eye on as long as nobody snatches it up before I can get the money set aside.
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The only engine thats ever truly made me say wow was that 4G63 some nutball squeezed 2,000 hp out of.
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INCHI DICKARI posted:The only engine thats ever truly made me say wow was that 4G63 some nutball squeezed 2,000 hp out of. Was that the one with like titanium camshafts and beryllium valve seats and poo poo? loving lunacy.
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Dadliest Worrier posted:Going back to the M5, where the hell are they running 10-second quarter miles with no cage? You can’t do that at any strip I’ve ever been to. Just what the hell is a person supposed to actually do with all this power? One and done boasting. INCHI DICKARI posted:The only engine thats ever truly made me say wow was that 4G63 some nutball squeezed 2,000 hp out of. HOW????
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madeintaipei posted:The thought has crossed my mind to buy one as a work truck. Then I remember the last 6.5 GM diesel I touched, what a hunk of poo poo. 55mph on the interstate would probably get old, too. There's a dude who lives in my apartment complex who has one, who paid for two covered parking spots so he could park it under cover (it won't fit in a single one). It is the cleanest one I've ever seen, I'm pretty sure he repainted not only the body but the undercarriage as well. All of the bits on the body look factory new. It's NEVER dirty, I'm fairly certain he doesn't drive it except for a quick 20 minute drive every weekend. Same dude owns a big late-model white Yukon in full bro-dozer mode, also always completely spotless and with the undercarriage detailed.
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OK, who has this and is it  ? quote:Sounds of Sanford - Jets, Dragsters, Hot Rods. Fleetwood Records FSLP 3008 12’ LP Vinyl Record 1963
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INCHI DICKARI posted:The only engine thats ever truly made me say wow was that 4G63 some nutball squeezed 2,000 hp out of. Source your drat quotes
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Chris Knight posted:Fixed  also, 14 of 69 nice.
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iospace posted:Source your drat quotes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy0eQh8TYgk
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Holy poo poo. Does that turbo count as a trim level?
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I'm the tachometer that needs another 10k RPM.BitBasher posted:Holy poo poo. Does that turbo count as a trim level? 
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