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Leavemywife posted:I've never gotten why the fridge scene bugged people. It's the kind of pulpy poo poo that Indiana Jones is made of; it's so patently ridiculous, it's not worth getting upset about. Besides, that fridge was high grade lead, made in America in the 50s (Crystal Skull was 50s, right?), so it's a very solid, high quality piece of work. I wouldn't say I get upset about it (he says, in one of the "post things you get worked up about" threads) but I still think it's kinda dumb. Even as a kid I found the boat scene in Temple kinda dumb, I think it's just a different threshold for what sort of unrealistic shenanigans people will accept. The fridge is really two different unrealistic things - surviving the blast, and surviving being flung through the air and bouncing loads of times. Both are implausible, but the latter is visually implausible, which makes it worse Also it's Indy 4, nobody is giving that movie a fair shake after all that build up.
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I can't really argue that the scene isn't dumb, but I think it's the kind of dumb you just roll with in a movie. I always liked the raft scene, mostly because it'd be awesome to ride a roller coaster based on that.
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Aug 28, 2018 13:10
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How did the pilots in Temple of Doom know to crash their plane? Did Lao Che call ahead or was his wave on the tarmac all they needed to know? And if I'm recalling correctly on the map path for the plane they stop at a couple of cities. There was lots of opportunity to kill Indy in ways that didn't involve a plane or risking your neck jumping into a mountain wilderness with a circa 1930's era parachute. The raft was the most plausible part of that storyline.
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Aug 28, 2018 13:17
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Krispy Wafer posted:How did the pilots in Temple of Doom know to crash their plane? Did Lao Che call ahead or was his wave on the tarmac all they needed to know? And if I'm recalling correctly on the map path for the plane they stop at a couple of cities. There was lots of opportunity to kill Indy in ways that didn't involve a plane or risking your neck jumping into a mountain wilderness with a circa 1930's era parachute. poo poo Indy gets lowered into a chamber of lava with only a small hole at the top. Just being lifted over the hole at the top would have killed him.
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Aug 28, 2018 14:40
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That was Willie not Indy. And she should have been charbroiled like the guy who went in before her.
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The fridge scene is fine except for the cgi groundhog things. They were completely unnecessary and really pull you out of the movie. Much like the loving monkeys. I can handle the ants though, and I actually kinda liked the jungle caravan and the motorcycle chase towards the beginning is fantastic. The movie has a lot going for it, it just has some really painfully bad stuff in it.
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Indy 4 is a pretty decent movie right up until the dry sand pit. Then it starts to fall apart. But the area 51 stuff and the university chase and the tomb stuff is all fine.
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Aug 28, 2018 21:34
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Aphrodite posted:He actually gets in the U-Boat. That was my assumption. Do people think he just like...held onto a submarine while it did sub things underwater? 
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Aug 28, 2018 23:49
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A giant rolling boulder? That's absurd.
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Aug 28, 2018 23:58
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Len posted:That was my assumption. Do people think he just like...held onto a submarine while it did sub things underwater? It was in the novelization. He tied himself to the periscope with his whip and was basically dragged along.
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Leavemywife posted:So, face melting Arks, Holy Grails, a man having his heart pulled from his chest and it's still beating are all perfectly fine, but a flying fridge (that should have killed him, yes) is where you draw the line? On a narrative level the specific properties of the grail and ark were established in advance, and behave in a way consistent with what the audience expects. If a large portion of the audience finds something jarring or nonsensical, there's a failure of communication on the part of the filmmaker. (For instance, panning over a sign on the side of the fridge saying that it was made of 100% recycled lead would change audience expectations for how slapstick the scene was supposed to be.) quote:a man having his heart pulled from his chest and it's still beating That's how hearts actually work. The beating is self regulating to a large degree, and continues even after it's removed from the body.
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CannonFodder posted:A giant rolling boulder? That's absurd. Plus pneumatically powered arrows? Rubber disintegrates after 2-10 years if not maintained. The arrows from the wall should have had the same pathetic dribble as my cum. Aphrodite posted:He actually gets in the U-Boat. PROVE IT!
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Aug 29, 2018 00:01
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Remulak posted:Plus pneumatically powered arrows? Rubber disintegrates after 2-10 years if not maintained. The arrows from the wall should have had the same pathetic dribble as my cum. The spike trap being triggered by someone stepping into a light beam always got me.
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Aug 29, 2018 00:02
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Aphrodite posted:He actually gets in the U-Boat. https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/4060/how-did-indiana-jones-manage-to-follow-marion-to-the-island
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Davros1 posted:It was in the novelization. He tied himself to the periscope with his whip and was basically dragged along. Well that's a silly thing to think because looking it up the periscope stayed above water the entire time so it wasn't like he held his breath and also apparently uboats at the time spent most of their time above water running on diesel engines. So again people think he just like held his breath?
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Aug 29, 2018 00:08
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Milo and POTUS posted:https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/4060/how-did-indiana-jones-manage-to-follow-marion-to-the-island Wasn’t filmed, it can be whatever I want.
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Aug 29, 2018 00:29
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Seems like it was but whatever. He's not going to hide on a uboat though
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Aug 29, 2018 00:47
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Milo and POTUS posted:Seems like it was but whatever. He's not going to hide on a uboat though Especially since he didn't get an uniform until they docked. I don't think U-boats went underwater unless they had to since they were diesel and would otherwise need to run on battery power. Even during wartime more subs were probably sunk using radar than sonar. Still, I like the idea of him clinging to the periscope and only narrowly being missed by the guy scanning the scope.
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U-Boats don't travel with their periscope up or for extended periods underwater either so I guess we're at an impasse.
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Aug 29, 2018 00:53
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That's because they're worried about gas mileage
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Aug 29, 2018 01:58
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Tunicate posted:That's how hearts actually work. The beating is self regulating to a large degree, and continues even after it's removed from the body. I didn't actually know that. I figured with the heart disconnected, it wouldn't do much of anything. Cool!
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Krispy Wafer posted:Especially since he didn't get an uniform until they docked. They traveled above the water on diesel most of the time. There would be someone at the top of the conning tower on watch the whole time. This was set when the U-Boats still commanded the seas. Before radar. Someone on watch would have seen him for sure. Plus, they do trim dives on a schedule so that they can crash dive when they have to. Of course it's nonsense. But, it's Indiana Jones. If it was realistic, it would be really boring.
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Technically U-boats are submersibles, which can dive but need to spend much of their time at the surface to recharge their batteries with diesel engines. Until they invented a Snorkel apparatus which allowed them to keep at least most of the sub underwater for as long as necessary. Also, batteries improved so they could dive for longer. So him hanging onto the periscope could allow him to be dragged along without drowning.
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Aug 29, 2018 03:06
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Bar Crow posted:Having the fridge fly through the air and bounce against the desert ruins it. Surviving an A-bomb blast is more believable that surviving an impact like that. Just have him emerge from the flaming wreckage of the fake town ...melted eyeballs running down his face. He may have been named after the dog, but now he's one of the alligator people.
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Leavemywife posted:
I'm a commercial fisherman and see it all the time. Gut a halibut and see it's heart beating on the table, squirming away with its three chambers.
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mostlygray posted:They traveled above the water on diesel most of the time. There would be someone at the top of the conning tower on watch the whole time. This was set when the U-Boats still commanded the seas. Before radar. Someone on watch would have seen him for sure. Plus, they do trim dives on a schedule so that they can crash dive when they have to. Of course it's nonsense. It was also pre-war I'm 100% sure. That doesn't mean they didn't do it because, hey, practice, but if they submerged it was probably so they could sneak into the sub pen without being shadowed.
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Milo and POTUS posted:That's because they're worried about gas mileage Probably a good idea to keep a charge on the batteries vs. using them all the time and then popping up for fresh air and being stuck that way. Plus everybody smoked back then and drat that would suck.
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Aug 29, 2018 04:31
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Actually, it's Frankenstein's Monster.
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Leavemywife posted:
Also, according to the film, if the original host bursts into flames, then the separated heart will too!
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Aug 29, 2018 07:14
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I don't see what that time traveling Demetri Martin comic is supposed to prove.
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The Matrix was written by two trans women and is a metaphor for gender transition. At the time of it's writing and release, the primary prescribed Estrogen for feminizing hormone replacement therapy looked like this:
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That's pink.
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I thought it was about computer dudes doing sweet flips and whatnot. Though that does make an interesting comparison as everyone’s favorite dick pill is colloquially referred to as “the little blue pill”.
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Warbird posted:I thought it was about computer dudes doing sweet flips and whatnot. Though that does make an interesting comparison as everyone’s favorite dick pill is colloquially referred to as “the little blue pill”. Nope, trans coming out allegory. Additionally Smith, the literal avatar of "the system", always deadnames him by calling him the name he was assigned at birth, instead of the real name he chose for himself. vvv That too vvv Gynocentric Regime has a new favorite as of 17:13 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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Aug 29, 2018 17:09
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Switch was supposed to change genders inside / outside the Matrix.
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Aug 29, 2018 17:12
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Gynocentric Regime posted:Nope, trans coming out allegory. Additionally Smith, the literal avatar of "the system", always deadnames him by calling him the name he was assigned at birth, instead of the real name he chose for himself.
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Gynocentric Regime posted:Nope, trans coming out allegory. Additionally Smith, the literal avatar of "the system", always deadnames him by calling him the name he was assigned at birth, instead of the real name he chose for himself. With a lot of emphasis and relish on the Mister Anderson, no less. (No idea how true/intentional any of this is but it's plausible and interesting.)
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Gynocentric Regime posted:The Matrix was written by two trans women
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