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steinrokkan posted:Can modern PCs boot without a detected keyboard? I guess the one "advantage" of a console over a PC is that its whole system can be controlled with a glorified TV remote, which is actually an disadvantage if you are interested in using sensible, non-maddening controls for young and navigating menus instead. I'm pretty sure you can make the PC boot straight into Steam Big Picture.
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Aug 29, 2018 16:02
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Twelve Batmans posted:Story is very much over-valued in games and people who think games have amazing stories probably don't read or consume anything else with much narrative value. How does this make any lick of sense? It's like saying that "Story is very much over-valued in movies and people who think movies have amazing stories probably don't read or consume anything else with much narrative value." You'd think that it probably depends on whether or not the author of the piece of media in question tried to make a good story or not and then whether or not they were skilled enough to to so. That's not even mentioning the kind of storytelling that literally only video games can deliver. There even have been a few games that properly take advantage of that.
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Aug 29, 2018 16:08
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2house2fly posted:Nintendo came up with modern controller design in 1990. And while Sony and Microsoft have been content to just replicate Nintendo's SNES controller with some minor adjustments to what the buttons are labelled, Nintendo kept experimenting and innovating, never treating controller design as a settled question that could just be iterated on in tiny ways for the rest of time. They even settled the question themselves with the Gamecube controller, the best controller ever, but they still kept on trying. Let's salute Nintendo Sure, but you neglect to mention that nintendo controllers suck rear end. Away all Goats posted:But Nintendo fans aren't insufferable, generally Source your quotes. TheScott2K posted:What do Apple users have to do with videogames 
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Aug 29, 2018 16:14
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Jack Trades posted:How does this make any lick of sense? It's like saying that "Story is very much over-valued in movies and people who think movies have amazing stories probably don't read or consume anything else with much narrative value." It's actually not like that at all.
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Aug 29, 2018 16:19
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Shibawanko posted:Decorating your PC in RGB colored paraphernalia is the result of repressed femininity in male gamers I love that all my gear has all these dumb diodes that sure look beautiful in my fully enclosed case.
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Aug 29, 2018 16:32
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Inverse posted:I think stories in video games are entirely over rated and I think game balance is the most important part of a game. Game balance is a weird topic to discuss because, from everything I've read by game designers, designers have a very different priority than players think they do. Because it's completely impossible for a game to be truly balanced--there are far too many variables for that to ever happen, even in a single-player game--developers instead try to tweak game balance so that the most players possible have a fun experience. Even if that experience isn't quite balanced, if it's fun and people keep playing, mission accomplished. It's also interesting to me that some developers intentionally tweak balance just to shift up a competitive game's meta, even if it's a "don't fix what isn't broken" situation. Even if the game is reasonably balanced, it can get stale if the meta stagnates for too long, and keeping the game interesting and engaging is more important from a developer's perspective than maintaining something close to perfect balance. I'm not a developer myself so I can't speak to whether this is true everywhere, but it's a common theme in everything I've read. Games cheat all the time to make sure that players stay engaged and have the best chance of enjoying their time with the game, and that's no less true of competitive games.
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Aug 29, 2018 16:35
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Jack Trades posted:How does this make any lick of sense? It's like saying that "Story is very much over-valued in movies and people who think movies have amazing stories probably don't read or consume anything else with much narrative value." Saying that story is over-valued is not the same as saying it's bad/shouldn't exist. But when I think of all my favorite games "Story" is not what makes any of them my favorite. It's all systems, gameplay, visuals, etc. The story that all these elements may create when combined might be novel or interesting, but it is nowhere near as interesting as the system or that system's creation itself. Anyone I've met that says they love a game for it's story tends to more commonly play walking sims/visual novels/Telltale games- which are generally very lazily-crafted games. They don't need to be mechanically robust since you're generally just moving around menus/decisions and then watching something play out for you. If you took away the story from the these games they would have absolutely no mechanical value/distinguishing features about them. Meanwhile if you took the story away from a game like Ninja Gaiden (the later 3D games) or Vanquish you still have a very open-ended and robust engine to goof around with and make cool poo poo happen.
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The Soul Reaver series is probably the best balance of story and gameplay.
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videogame stories are almost always terrible and if you're a fan of them then you're terrible
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Twelve Batmans posted:Saying that story is over-valued is not the same as saying it's bad/shouldn't exist. But when I think of all my favorite games "Story" is not what makes any of them my favorite. It's all systems, gameplay, visuals, etc. The story that all these elements may create when combined might be novel or interesting, but it is nowhere near as interesting as the system or that system's creation itself. What's it like to know that these lazily crafted games are better than your precious "systems" (lol)? Telltale games and walking simulators are garbage but it's hilarious to assert that games are inherently better / worse based on one magic criterion.
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Aug 29, 2018 16:43
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signalnoise posted:Using location only, which button is confirm, and which button is cancel? Right is confirm, bottom is cancel.
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Aug 29, 2018 16:45
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The Dualshock controller is very overrated. The DPad is very bad.
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Aug 29, 2018 16:48
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I think it's ok for the control interfaces for different machines to not be exactly the same
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steinrokkan posted:What's it like to know that these lazily crafted games are better than your precious "systems" (lol)? Yeah you're right. That would be really dumb if I said that for games in general and wasn't blatantly using the anecdotes of my own personal taste to explain what I meant. That would be real loving retarded if someone read it that way too.  I mean I like old JRPG's and even have one or two of them in my top 10 GOAT list, but even though those are supposed to be "story-driven"- the story is my least favorite part of them. I like making crazy dumb builds and breaking them. I didn't replay FF7 multiple times and max out save file timers because I wanted to watch Aeris die again. lol
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Twelve Batmans posted:I mean I like old JRPG's and even have one or two of them in my top 10 GOAT list, but even though those are supposed to be "story-driven"- the story is my least favorite part of them. I like making crazy dumb builds and breaking them. I didn't replay FF7 multiple times and max out save file timers because I wanted to watch Aeris die again. lol Just because you have never replayed a game primarily for it's story and not it's gameplay doesn't mean that nobody else does that. Nier Automata for example has very real but also very mediocre gameplay and that's a game I replayed several times from start to finish because I enjoy it's story.
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Jack Trades posted:Just because you have never replayed a game primarily for it's story and not it's gameplay doesn't mean that nobody else does that. Uuuuh, duh? I thought this was the opinions thread. Where people offer their own divergent takes on a similar hobby and we all discuss it! Mine is that personally I've never seen story as the most important aspect of any videogame that I consider "good" wrt replayability. But if other people wanna enjoy it then by all means, go hog-wild! also for Neir Automata having mediocre gameplay I guess you must just suck or hate fun because myself and 3 other people I know have beaten that game and it's full of all kinds of wild poo poo you can do.
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Jack Trades posted:How does this make any lick of sense? It's like saying that "Story is very much over-valued in movies and people who think movies have amazing stories probably don't read or consume anything else with much narrative value." sorry dude talk about how great video game stories are all you want, it's still not going to make anyone want to read your wow fanfic
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Twelve Batmans posted:also for Neir Automata having mediocre gameplay I guess you must just suck or hate fun because myself and 3 other people I know have beaten that game and it's full of all kinds of wild poo poo you can do. I'm just more used to the depth of other Platinum games such as Revengeance or Bayonetta. Or maybe I just need to git gud and the game suddenly will become more difficult and complex.
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Twelve Batmans posted:also for Neir Automata having mediocre gameplay I guess you must just suck or hate fun because myself and 3 other people I know have beaten that game and it's full of all kinds of wild poo poo you can do. I'd argue that the range of things you can do is only part of what makes the gameplay good. Nier Automata does let you pull off a ton of wild stuff, but I don't think that the enemy and combat design really lets the player's potential move set shine. That's what, at least to me, puts it behind other Platinum-developed games like Bayonetta. It's still fun to play with, though, and the overall experience of the game is fantastic.
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Aug 29, 2018 17:14
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Jack Trades posted:I'm just more used to the depth of other Platinum games such as Revengeance or Bayonetta. I'm more used to the depth of DMC and Ninja Gaiden games (at the risk of creating a hellhole MY HACK N SLASH IS THE BEST /v/ thread) so I was pleasantly surprised with Automata's mechanical depth especially compared to other games in the series/from that creator. I suppose I just considered it a step up from every other Yoko Taro game that's even been made. God bless the man, but the janky weapon-swapping system in Drakengard 3 wasn't anywhere near as bad the game dropping to 8FPS everytime two enemies got on the screen.
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Automatas gameplay is definitely fun despite its simplicity. Platinum knows it's stuff. It's just a shame they locked dodge offset behind a mid game chip and the fact that you get a combat substitute button later doesn't help either.
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The only RPG's whose stories I enjoy are the Soulblazer series and maybe Chrono Trigger. The rest is mostly poo poo.
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The Legend of Dragoon is the best rpg
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a bone to pick posted:The Legend of Dragoon is the best rpg It's so weird that Sony never made a sequel.
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Sardonik posted:Roses are red Which one though
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Dross posted:Which one though Luv Mix was my go-to for a long long time but I started liking the SP Jungle-mix Version.
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My favorite Konami Original song that first appeared in DDR is probably AM-3P, which was also my first heavy AAA.
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Inverse posted:I think stories in video games are entirely over rated and I think game balance is the most important part of a game. Twelve Batmans posted:Story is very much over-valued in games and people who think games have amazing stories probably don't read or consume anything else with much narrative value. These are good opinions
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Aug 29, 2018 18:36
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I play games to make numbers go up
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Aug 29, 2018 18:41
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Platinum games are bad because having to hit the buttons fast hurts my fingers after a while. Dark souls is good because it doesn't hurt me physically, just emotionally, the way I like it.
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Phone games like bejeweled-style things can be perfectly entertaining or even clever. Not all of them even try to rip you off that badly and can be completed just fine without spending anything
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Aug 29, 2018 20:16
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Dragonball Fighterz is a terrible fighting game.
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The kinect was pretty cool. Also the kinect should have been a head tracking option on as many games as possible it kicked rear end in forza 4.
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Aug 29, 2018 21:47
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Shibawanko posted:Phone games like bejeweled-style things can be perfectly entertaining or even clever. Not all of them even try to rip you off that badly and can be completed just fine without spending anything Bull poo poo. Name one?
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A lot of the early Kairosoft games are decent little sims. They're not earth shattering but they're a step above most and they're also pretty cute.
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claiming that video games always have worse story than books only proves that you don't read many books
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QuarkJets posted:claiming that video games always have worse story than books only proves that you don't read many books I will readily admit that most of the books I read are trash But attempting to directly compare fundamentally different methods of storytelling is dumb. Just enjoy the thing or don’t.
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QuarkJets posted:claiming that video games always have worse story than books only proves that you don't read many books There are even books about video games with worse stories than the video games they are based on. Shitloads of em.
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QuarkJets posted:claiming that video games always have worse story than books only proves that you don't read many books I'm sure some of them do but in my opinion I don't want to delve deep into a story when I'm playing a video game i just want a double barrel shotgun and pump lead into a zombie or demon or whahoo platform my way into some peach's castles.
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