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Idk theres some commonality in being really into Logic and Reason. Hadn't seen that article before either, I had been under the impression Alexander was less of a dipahit than the other lesswrong esque people. (The tranahumanism is still kinda weird tho)
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pidan posted:It also has a tendency to "openly discuss" all kinds of things that are not generally considered open to discussion, like the benefits of fascism. the reason some ideas aren't discussed isn't that they're suppressed by The Cathedral, it's that if you read more history you know they end in failure. this is so irrespective of your moral stance. (Assume fascism is morally neutral. According to Eco, they are incapable of truly judging their own military capacity or that of their enemies. If he's correct, that's a sub optimal way to fight a war.) this is also what i think is wrong with the enlightenment part of the dark enlightenment, the technological utopia. human beings are fallible and so are their products, history is indefinitely complex and most of that complexity takes the form of people not being as good at what they do as they thought they would be. but this entire community eschews history as a discipline so they can reinvent the wheel from first principles if you are intelligent it is immoral to be that poorly read HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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StashAugustine posted:Idk theres some commonality in being really into Logic and Reason. Hadn't seen that article before either, I had been under the impression Alexander was less of a dipahit than the other lesswrong esque people. (The tranahumanism is still kinda weird tho) Hey, I want my laser eyes and chrome butt
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HEY GUNS posted:i have lived in non-DE environments all my life and in academia for most of it. people say "oh these ideas are so taboo, let's explore the forbidden ideas" but in my experience everyone i know has been open to thought experiments of all kinds. it's difficult to discuss plato's Republic or Laws without talking about authoritarianism for instance, and it would be intellectually dishonest (and therefore immoral) not to For some reason "what if black people are inherently inferior" is treated as unexplored territory that only bold logicmasters dare touch, and not the primary focus of social sciences for the first fifty years of their existence.
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JcDent posted:Hey, I want my laser eyes and chrome butt Settle down there, laputan machine
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P-Mack posted:For some reason "what if black people are inherently inferior" is treated as unexplored territory that only bold logicmasters dare touch, and not the primary focus of social sciences for the first fifty years of their existence.
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Gänswein: Benedict did not 'confirm' Vigano testimonyquote:Vatican City, Aug 28, 2018 / 05:10 pm (CNA).- Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI’s personal secretary said Tuesday that the former pope has not commented on a testimony released Saturday by a former Vatican ambassador, and that he has no plans to do so. lol. despite how amazingly incompetent this hit job is, it performed its purpose in emboldening the reactionaries. who are now Extremely Concerned about the victims of abuse...whom they are currently using as a cudgel against a pope they never liked in the first place e: there have been two major advocacy groups so far that have made statements to the effect of "this is dumb, why are you old men fighting, let's get back to talking about investigating abuse 'cause we were getting somewhere with that finally" The Phlegmatist fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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to get an elderly german to say that, one must be very blatant indeed
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HEY GUNS posted:the counterpoint to this is i have seen some internet leftists say that there is no such thing as differences of intelligence, capacity, or talent among human beings, which is also absurd i think the leftist stance is that under capitalism, it is impossible to determine if there are such differences between individuals, because the largest contributor to poor test scores, failure to graduate (either high school or college), and poor life outcomes in general is poverty. are there some people more talented than others, or are some people economically well off enough to practice consistently? are some people smarter than others, or are some people able to have parents who have the free time to engage with their kids schoolwork and encourage them in their efforts? there are people able to shine under poverty, but how many more would be able to without poverty?
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HEY GUNS posted:this is also what i think is wrong with the enlightenment part of the dark enlightenment, the technological utopia. Almost none of the DE are techno-utopists or transhumanists, they only care about hating others and technology (save for their dark web safe space) rarely scratches that itch well enough.
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Senju Kannon posted:i think the leftist stance is that under capitalism, it is impossible to determine if there are such differences between individuals, because the largest contributor to poor test scores, failure to graduate (either high school or college), and poor life outcomes in general is poverty. are there some people more talented than others, or are some people economically well off enough to practice consistently? are some people smarter than others, or are some people able to have parents who have the free time to engage with their kids schoolwork and encourage them in their efforts? there are people able to shine under poverty, but how many more would be able to without poverty? Well obviously some people just suck, as evidenced by how many rich, privileged, yet incredibly dumb people there are. But yeah there's so many factors in play that it's really hard to pull any given one out. Which is why it's really hosed up that given this huge mess of confusing data to work with people zero in on trying to prove a 0.005% race/IQ correlation. Yes you're "just asking questions" but why did you pick that question out of a million others that haven't been answered? You're "just stating the facts" but there's a hundred other facts you could have stated that may have been more interesting. Given a long and inglorious history of this kind of poo poo directly harming people, there's zero reason to tolerate it as up for friendly civil debate. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/the-real-problem-with-charles-murray-and-the-bell-curve/ This puts it more eloquently than I can-the problem with Murray et al isn't that they have the wrong regression line on the graph on page 234 (even if they very well do), it's hey dude why on earth are you even doing this in the first place.
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Tias posted:Almost none of the DE are techno-utopists or transhumanists, they only care about hating others and technology (save for their dark web safe space) rarely scratches that itch well enough. edit: the DE talk about racist transhumanism but the guys who write patriot fiction talk about living a morally pure existance in the woods. they're not the same even though they're both racists HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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HEY GUNS posted:they really are, that's the difference between them and your garden-variety reactionary, scientific racist, or neo-Nazi. Hell it's bled into the mainstream alt-right, there are alt-rightists who keep talking about how we would all live in a dyson sphere now if black people didn't exist I think Tias is thinking of the other strain of these weirdos, the ones who want a monarchist neo-feudal pastoral utopia, like Dreher's Benedict Option but explicitly racist.
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P-Mack posted:I think Tias is thinking of the other strain of these weirdos, the ones who want a monarchist neo-feudal pastoral utopia, like Dreher's Benedict Option but explicitly racist. nothing bites you like a racist distortion of yourself
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“who are you?” “i’m you but racist”
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Has anybody actually tried reading Moldbug's manifesto? I could only get through parts three or four. It's even more tl;dr than tl;dr.Tias posted:Almost none of the DE are techno-utopists or transhumanists, they only care about hating others and technology (save for their dark web safe space) rarely scratches that itch well enough. Or maybe it's not weird, because if tech companies have proven anything, it's that they do not have a healthy relationship with democracy and justice. Senju Kannon posted:“who are you?” Keromaru5 fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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the lord's believers did nothing wrong
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The Phlegmatist posted:the lord's believers did nothing wrong In SMAC? They didn't really. Miriam and Lal are really the only two faction leaders not to embrace full transhumanist dehumanizing horror.
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Senju Kannon posted:“who are you?” speaking of, i bring you a peace offering, you'll love this https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/3ucp8y/i_was_beat_up_by_left_anarchists_in_greece/
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Epicurius posted:In SMAC? They didn't really. Miriam and Lal are really the only two faction leaders not to embrace full transhumanist dehumanizing horror. Miriam gets a bad rap because her AI in-game was such a dick.
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P-Mack posted:Miriam gets a bad rap because her AI in-game was such a dick. Super aggressive, IIRC?
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quote:speaking of, i bring you a peace offering, you'll love this that story is actually appropriate for this thread, as it would definitely get canonized if the yospos bitcoin thread ever assembled a Bitcoin Stories bible
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Lutha Mahtin posted:that story is actually appropriate for this thread, as it would definitely get canonized if the yospos bitcoin thread ever assembled a Bitcoin Stories bible And now, a reading from the Book of French Engineer in Brazil
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Deidre did some dark poo poo to get there but the Transcendence ending is the only happy ending to AC also Miriam's final quote heavily implies that she commits suicide and urges her followers to do the same once she no longer believes her war against scientific progress is winnable
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HEY GUNS posted:i know, right? like if someone with your beliefs met an an-cap or a guy who read herman hoppe. like you after you step into the baited trap or ate the poisoned apple i love that story so much those greek anarchists gave that fucker so much hospitality
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Epicurius posted:In SMAC? They didn't really. Miriam and Lal are really the only two faction leaders not to embrace full transhumanist dehumanizing horror. Tbh it's getting pretty tempting to start spraypainting "We Must Dissent" on things.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Deidre did some dark poo poo to get there but the Transcendence ending is the only happy ending to AC SMAC had some deep themes which would have been better in literally any other medium because I don't think a lot of people realized just how dark that game was. The weird Objectivist/Dark Enlightenment/Transhumanist thing is honestly the most evil modern ideology that exists, and a lot of techbros just eat that poo poo up. It's like you shove the tedious John Galt speech right into Shadowrun and think "yeah this is ethical."
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The Phlegmatist posted:The weird Objectivist/Dark Enlightenment/Transhumanist thing is honestly the most evil modern ideology that exists, and a lot of techbros just eat that poo poo up. It's like you shove the tedious John Galt speech right into Shadowrun and think "yeah this is ethical."
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to back up my claim about Transcendence a bit
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HEY GUNS posted:calvinism is the most evil ideology imo techbros subscribe to calvinism except it's an IQ test instead of a seemingly-capricious God
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HEY GUNS posted:calvinism is the most evil ideology imo I have no idea how Calvinism caught on.
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being able to be saved without any effort, or be damned regardless? it’s a theology that demands little and expects less
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Senju Kannon posted:being able to be saved without any effort, or be damned regardless? it’s a theology that demands little and expects less not to be rude, but isn't the possibility of being saved just for asking one of the major selling points of your sect?
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It just seems designed to inflict maximum misery, either by someone who is certain they're saved regardless and so can justify whatever awful poo poo they want to do, or by other people driving themselves to distraction fretting over if they're saved or not and trying to confirm it for themselves by conforming like mad.
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pidan fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Senju Kannon posted:being able to be saved without any effort, or be damned regardless? it’s a theology that demands little and expects less ugly snort
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The Phlegmatist posted:techbros subscribe to calvinism except it's an IQ test instead of a seemingly-capricious God
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pidan posted:See in the 16th century the weather in central Europe became really bad and people were basically constantly beset by the four horsemen and I guess "why do bad things happen to good people" became a very pressing question then. the early modern ruled
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HEY GUNS posted:iq has to do with things you do and accomplish. damning someone before you create them with nothing to do with the morality of their future deeds is the worst thing it is possible to imagine a deity doing okay so what happens when peter thiel starts up his breeding program so he can eat people's stem cells
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