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Virtual Russian posted:Lets start selling LAV's to inner city gangs in the US? Let’s void the Safe Third Country agreement with them. Hit Trump where it really hurts 
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infernal machines posted:~*reads article about the us president outright stating that they're unwilling to negotiate in any way*~ This is exactly what I'm saying, I don't think they have to negotiate with us at all. A big hit to the auto industry or oil might be enough to pop our only other industry, housing. The states have a great economy, top notch, diversified, innovative and chugging right along. Nothing Canada can do affects the US in a noticeable way and even if we could, it would hurt us 10x more. They are a juggernaut, we are a banana republic of lovely oil that only pipes to the US, overpriced houses, cars that americans make here and send back because we have banana republic wages (in USD) and cronjob twitter based IT. It'd be fun to see trudeau walk away like "we're not a 53rd state, canadian sovereignty blablabal going to be difficult, irrational, trade war". Might be his best chance to get re-elected before the factories and jobs move back down.
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Aug 31, 2018 17:49
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Postess with the Mostest posted:This is exactly what I'm saying, I don't think they have to negotiate with us at all. A big hit to the auto industry or oil might be enough to pop our only other industry, housing. The states have a great economy, top notch, diversified, innovative and chugging right along. Nothing Canada can do affects the US in a noticeable way and even if we could, it would hurt us 10x more. They are a juggernaut, we are a banana republic of lovely oil that only pipes to the US, overpriced houses, cars that americans make here and send back because we have banana republic wages (in USD) and cronjob twitter based IT. Bring on the housing collapse! Housing shouldn't be a luxury commodity and gently caress speculators.
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Aug 31, 2018 17:55
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i too agree that we should sit back and watch the results of america's strategy of starting trade wars on every front simultaneously. perhaps we can even take this opportunity to diversify our own trade away from the 800lb syphilitic gorilla of international affairs, or not, whatever.
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Aug 31, 2018 17:55
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infernal machines posted:i too agree that we should sit back and watch the results of america's strategy of starting trade wars on every front simultaneously. Yeah, America will never be the same, trade wars will be a norm for republicans from here to the end. We should cozy up to the EU some more or something, maybe develop a just and independent economy?
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Aug 31, 2018 17:57
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Virtual Russian posted:Bring on the housing collapse! Housing shouldn't be a luxury commodity and gently caress speculators. if you live in the gtha or gvrd you'll be fighting gangs of cannibals in the streets if things collapse badly enough to make housing "affordable" Virtual Russian posted:We should cozy up to the EU some more or something, maybe develop a just and independent economy? i'd like to think we could try
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Aug 31, 2018 17:58
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Lamborghini and Ferrari demolition Derby. fuerdai being lynched in the streets wearing Supreme burlap sacks and dunce caps.
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Aug 31, 2018 18:00
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infernal machines posted:if you live in the gtha or gvrd you'll be fighting gangs of cannibals in the streets if things collapse badly enough to make housing "affordable" As a Canadian I naturally live in one of those zones, and that would own so much. Also I might be able to get a home that way. All joking aside, we need a massive overhaul of how we approach housing. Where I am there are condos going up constantly, but units get bought up by speculators and sit empty. The building that went in a year back a block down from me has been sold out for 9 months now, but at night only ever has like two lights on. The house across from me has been sold three times in a year, no ones moved in, just some cosmetic work and gets flipped each time. There is tons of housing, its just insanely overpriced due to speculation causing artificial shortages. A crash in which a gov't bailout prevented people from losing their home, but in which speculators lost everything would rule so much.
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Aug 31, 2018 18:07
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Virtual Russian posted:As a Canadian I naturally live in one of those zones, and that would own so much. Also I might be able to get a home that way. lol that you think in a crash the government would save homeowners instead of speculators
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Aug 31, 2018 18:21
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vyelkin posted:lol that you think in a crash the government would save homeowners instead of speculators yeah we would need a different government. Really though, just embrace that a massive crash is coming and no ones going to be saved.
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Aug 31, 2018 18:22
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https://twitter.com/CBCKatie/status/1035580380844314624
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Aug 31, 2018 18:52
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vyelkin posted:this part is also particularly relevant I love how this was mainly discovered by accident when "stick your head in it to kill yourself" coal-burning ovens started being phased out and statisticians suddenly realized the suicide rate dropped significantly and never went back up, now that a literal suicide box wasn't standard in every kitchen.
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Aug 31, 2018 19:41
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Chrystia Freeland to hold press conference from Canadian Embassy in Washington at 4:30p (eastern, I'm sure) The location says everything we need to know, right?
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Aug 31, 2018 20:20
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https://twitter.com/jpags/status/1035607252248481792 This doesn't really sound like a winning strategy
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Aug 31, 2018 20:22
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James Baud posted:Chrystia Freeland to hold press conference from Canadian Embassy in Washington at 4:30p (eastern, I'm sure) that it's like the fall of saigon and they're going to be riding helicopters out of there? here's hoping
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Aug 31, 2018 20:22
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Hand Knit posted:https://twitter.com/jpags/status/1035607252248481792 their legal argument is that the charter actually doesn't apply to municipal elections because it's up to the province if they even have them seriously
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Aug 31, 2018 20:23
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infernal machines posted:their legal argument is that the charter actually doesn't apply to municipal elections because it's up to the province if they even have them is there law standing against that, or just centuries of common sense?
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Aug 31, 2018 20:28
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Subjunctive posted:is there law standing against that, or just centuries of common sense? It strikes me as a hell of a leap from "cities are creatures of the province" to "the charter does not apply to cities."
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Aug 31, 2018 20:32
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Hand Knit posted:It strikes me as a hell of a leap from "cities are creatures of the province" to "the charter does not apply to cities." does the charter apply to students electing class presidents? I genuinely don’t know if everything called an “election” is covered by the charter analysis
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Aug 31, 2018 20:34
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Subjunctive posted:does the charter apply to students electing class presidents? I genuinely don’t know if everything called an “election” is covered by the charter analysis that is a bold equivalence.
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Aug 31, 2018 20:37
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Hand Knit posted:that is a bold equivalence. That's true, school children probably wouldn't have elected rob ford
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Aug 31, 2018 20:39
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https://twitter.com/goldsbie/status/1035605804752281600 The judge seems to disagree but I don't know the legal basis for that belief. https://twitter.com/goldsbie/status/1035610257962217473 https://twitter.com/goldsbie/status/1035613138643808256 No you! Is certainly an interesting legal strategy.
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Aug 31, 2018 20:41
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Hand Knit posted:that is a bold equivalence. I’m not saying it’s how I would rule. I’m asking what the law and precedent say. students are elected to the boards of governors of Ontario colleges, which are also products of the Province. does the charter analysis of effective representation apply to those elections? I don’t know, and I’m curious, so I’m asking e: ^^ well if he puts it in his ruling then we’ll have dicta at least!
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Aug 31, 2018 20:42
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Sounds like you guys are getting freaking owned today
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Aug 31, 2018 20:42
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I don't think it's a completely specious argument, but guess we'll find out. There's no entitlement to a civic-level elected government, lots (but not millions) of people live in areas that don't have one.
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Aug 31, 2018 20:43
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Subjunctive posted:I’m not saying it’s how I would rule. I’m asking what the law and precedent say. students are elected to the boards of governors of Ontario colleges, which are also products of the Province. does the charter analysis of effective representation apply to those elections? I don’t know, and I’m curious, so I’m asking Yeah, there definitely appears to be a disagreement between the Province's counsel and the judge re: that point. I imagine if there's an appeal after the ruling on the Province's part it'll focus on that.
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Aug 31, 2018 20:44
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James Baud posted:I don't think it's a completely specious argument, but guess we'll find out. the judge is stating that if you create a civic-level elected government, then the charter applies to it. https://twitter.com/JohnLorinc/status/1035610987561332736 infernal machines has issued a correction as of 20:50 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Aug 31, 2018 20:45
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Lol. Now civic-level elected government is not a level of government. Good hustle out there https://twitter.com/progresstoronto/status/1035608204015620096
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Aug 31, 2018 20:54
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This makes sense tbf. The province of Ontario shouldn't be allowed to arbitrarily say "Okay we're designating a municipality that happens to cover the entire province, this is one of our powers. Also, this municipality doesn't have elected officials. And it's going to violate all your charter rights because if the charter applies to the operations of this municipality then the court is creating a new level of government"
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Aug 31, 2018 20:56
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“all your charter rights” aren’t at issue. they are not claiming that residents of Toronto are exempt from Charter protections that they would have elsewhere
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Aug 31, 2018 21:02
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Aug 31, 2018 21:02
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Subjunctive posted:“all your charter rights” aren’t at issue. they are not claiming that residents of Toronto are exempt from Charter protections that they would have elsewhere except in cases where they wouldn't, such as https://twitter.com/LaurenPelley/status/1035610272369659904
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Aug 31, 2018 21:04
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and on cue, everyone's favourite fuckstains take the podium https://twitter.com/jpags/status/1035619485955379200
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Aug 31, 2018 21:10
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ctf's counsel is arguing subjunctive's point re: electoral bodies, just because they exist doesn't mean the charter applies because there's a bunch where no consideration is given to the charter. https://twitter.com/goldsbie/status/1035620954951634944
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Aug 31, 2018 21:14
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Good god who gives a gently caress about Toronto
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Aug 31, 2018 21:19
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well since it's a constitutional issue that effects every municipality in the country, you might. but hey, here's this https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1035597354395680774
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Aug 31, 2018 21:20
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infernal machines posted:well since it's a constitutional issue that effects every municipality in the country, you might. I mean he's not completely wrong. Those comments were off the record, and Bloomberg did honour that. I just think they kind of happened to fall into Daniel Dale's lap out of an accidentally open Bloomberg briefcase.
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Aug 31, 2018 21:24
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I got news for you: municipal government is useless
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Aug 31, 2018 21:24
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Arivia posted:I mean he's not completely wrong. Those comments were off the record, and Bloomberg did honour that. I just think they kind of happened to fall into Daniel Dale's lap out of an accidentally open Bloomberg briefcase. powerful understanding BLATANTLY VIOLATED
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infernal machines posted:ctf's counsel is arguing subjunctive's point re: electoral bodies, just because they exist doesn't mean the charter applies because there's a bunch where no consideration is given to the charter. i think the correct response by the judge would be "thanks for bringing these 50 other unconstitutional bodies to my attention so I can include them in my sweeping judgement"
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