barkbell posted:

It’s an all beef diet she’s going to get colon cancer lol

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“A terribly, terribly bad idea.”

Gilbert has done extensive research on how the trillions of microbes in our guts digest food, and the look on his face when I told him about the all-beef diet was unamused. He began rattling off the expected ramifications: “Your body would start to have severe dysregulation, within six months, of the majority of the processes that deal with metabolism; you would have no short-chain fatty acids in your cells; most of the by-products of gastrointestinal polysaccharide fermentation would shut down, so you wouldn’t be able to regulate your hormone levels; you’d enter into cardiac issues due to alterations in cell receptors; your microbiota would just be devastated.”

While much of the internet has been following this story in a somewhat snide way, Gilbert appeared genuinely concerned and saddened: “If she does not die of colon cancer or some other severe cardiometabolic disease, the life—I can’t imagine.”

...

Peterson told me it took several weeks for her to get used to the beef-only approach, and that the relief of her medical symptoms overpowers any sense of missing food. If even a tiny amount of anything else finds its way into her mouth, she will be ill, she says. This happened when she tried to eat an organic olive, and again recently when she was at a restaurant that put pepper on her steak.

“I was like, whatever, it’s just pepper,” she told me. Then she had a reaction that lasted three weeks and included joint pain, acne, and anxiety.

Apart from having to exist in a world where the possibility of pepper exposure looms, the only other social downside she notices is that she hates asking people to accommodate her diet. So she will usually eat before she goes to a dinner party, she told me, “but then I’ll go drink and enjoy the party.”

“Drink, as in, water?”

“I can also, strangely enough, tolerate vodka and bourbon.”

The idea that alcohol, one of the most well-documented toxic substances, is among the few things that Peterson’s body will tolerate may be illuminating. It implies that when it comes to dieting, the inherent properties of the substances ingested can be less important than the eater’s conceptualizations of them—as either tolerable or intolerable, good or bad. What’s actually therapeutic may be the act of elimination itself.

Groovelord Neato posted:

the atlantic had a pretty good article about her dumb diet.


https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/08/the-peterson-family-meat-cleanse/567613/

Morphix posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study

poo poo's been known for a while, more than 10% of your monthly protein from animal sources and you're chances of almost every cancer jumps by like 90%. The books based on this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Cornell%E2%80%93Oxford_Project

anyway, can't recommend the book enough. stop eating so much meat, it's going to loving kill you and burn up the planet

Morphix posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study

poo poo's been known for a while, more than 10% of your monthly protein from animal sources and you're chances of almost every cancer jumps by like 90%. The books based on this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Cornell%E2%80%93Oxford_Project

anyway, can't recommend the book enough. stop eating so much meat, it's going to loving kill you and burn up the planet

piratepilates posted:

serious question: how would you get 90% of your monthly protein from non-animal sources without massively lowering the amount of protein you eat? a single serving of chicken breast can have like 30-40g of protein in it, you'd be hard pressed to get close to that amount in a single salad.

Seltzer posted:

I'm almost positive the china study is bullshit but I don't care enough to do the research as to why.

Morphix posted:

rice? I mean look at Asian countries diets before Western diets are introduced. The rates of cancer are non-existent. If you want to bulk and be ripped, you eat protein from vegetable sources. The research says you can basically treat vegetable protein like it's weed, you can't have too much of it, your body won't od. But with meat protein, it just absorbs too quickly and your cells have a higher chance of mutating because of this quick uptake. The book actually talks about this quite a bit, if you want the fastest fastest absorbing protein, you'd want human protein. Of course there is a lot of research that's shown what cannibalism does to a species.

But yes, in general people would not be as big/fat/whatever, because meat protein, the reason is it's so bad, is because your body absorbs it so quickly, which causes the higher chance of pre-cancerous cells developing.


It's not. The dudes credentials are loving top notch. The only 'critique' ive ever read was some rear end in a top hat misrepresenting the doctors analysis because he admits in the first chapter that he believes western medicines approach to isolating single issues, or at least weighing it much heavier than large holisitc studies that are macro in nature is foolish and doesn't really help when dealing with giving out large dietary advice. You need the advice that works for the largest group of people if health is your number one goal.

but like the dude isn't some alt-med quack. Basically this book was largely ignored, because it's conclusions are pretty easy to digest. He has more data to back it up than any other epidemiological study to have ever been conducted. So if you want to base your info on data, this dude china study is the source. As he ran it back in the 80s.

barkbell posted:

"Conclusion
If both whole-food vegan diets and non-Westernized omnivorous diets yield similar health benefits

Morphix posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study

poo poo's been known for a while, more than 10% of your monthly protein from animal sources and you're chances of almost every cancer jumps by like 90%. The books based on this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Cornell%E2%80%93Oxford_Project

anyway, can't recommend the book enough. stop eating so much meat, it's going to loving kill you and burn up the planet

Seltzer posted:

Say gently caress one more time and we'll believe you

Seltzer posted:

Say gently caress one more time and we'll believe you

Megazver posted:

vegans are adorable

Grant DaNasty posted:

Diamond Dallas Page is supposed to be on next week. That should be fun as long as he doesn’t go into full “DDP Yoga shill mode”.

mike12345 posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xY_D8SMNtE

e: oops didn't see

Lambert posted:

Let me link this ONE WEIRD STUDY that shows how you have to eat to BEAT CANCER. Doctors hate it!

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The first two major studies were led by T. Colin Campbell, professor of nutritional biochemistry at Cornell, who summarized the results in his book, The China Study (2004). Other lead researchers were Chen Junshi, Deputy Director of Institute of Nutrition and Food Hygiene at the Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine in Beijing, Richard Peto of the University of Oxford, and Li Junyao of the China Cancer Institute

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In May 1990, The New York Times termed the study "the Grand Prix of epidemiology"

Morphix posted:

The books author led this famous ONE WEIRD STUDY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Cornell%E2%80%93Oxford_Project


Which turns out is the largest study of it's size ever done.



it's cool to use science to learn things, unless the thing we learn contradicts my diet and stupid taste preferences. than all bets are off, gently caress you single largest source of environmental pollution and one of the leading cause of global warming, I'm gonna be a selfish piece of poo poo with my unsustainable eating habits because ~I do what I want~. I've literally built my entire loving persona on the food I eat, it's all I loving haaaaaaaave maaaan, le bacon epic win SIR, LE BACON EPIC WIN!

edit- just as a sidenote, whether you read the book or not, it's your health, do what you want. But really examine your own defensiveness about food, I'm not trying to diminish the more esoteric points of food consumption, and that it may be more than just the meal, it's the experience, and all that is great. I'm talking about strictly from a utalitarian stand point, you want an easy way to lose and maintain weight loss? Cut down meat. You want to save a few bucks on eating out? Cut down on meat. You want to lower your risk for every western disease on the books, eat less meat. There isn't a cardiologist in the world who will tell you to eat more meat after a surgery, why do you think they don't say the same thing about beans and lentils. It's not the protein load, it's the loving source.

bango skank posted:

nice meltdown

Morphix posted:

The books author led this famous ONE WEIRD STUDY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Cornell%E2%80%93Oxford_Project


Which turns out is the largest study of it's size ever done.

Malaria posted:

Apparently Joe is going to have Bernie Sanders on the podcast.

Megazver posted:

legit excited about this tbh

Hooplah posted:

Malaria posted:

same


I wonder if we will get the Joe that agrees with everything the person says or confrontational Joe.

I imagine he will be polite and just go with it.

Morphix posted:

I've never heard of a single epic Meat Eater (TM) proclaim loudly how he's the alpha male because meat is his choice of diet and all other diets are bullshit and wrong and how his diet is the best and doctors are the real liars with their anti-gains agenda.

Morphix posted:

no you're right, I only ever hear vegans talking about their diets and how epic everything is



I've never heard of a single epic Meat Eater (TM) proclaim loudly how he's the alpha male because meat is his choice of diet and all other diets are bullshit and wrong and how his diet is the best and doctors are the real liars with their anti-gains agenda.

1st AD posted:

Dude we had Kermit Petersen’s daughter on just 4 days ago

Malaria posted:

Somebody has never heard of Jordan Peterson