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Commander Keene posted:Well, the show refused to allow evolved Pokemon to have nice things. Ash's Pikachu refused to evolve, and most of his other evolved Pokemon either stopped listening to him, left, or both. that plus more elaborate designs means more work for the animators
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Commander Keene posted:Well, the show refused to allow evolved Pokemon to have nice things. Ash's Pikachu refused to evolve, and most of his other evolved Pokemon either stopped listening to him, left, or both. Of course, the fact that Pokemon that Ash himself caught are disobeying him despite that only supposed to be a thing that happens with traded Pokemon is just another piece of evidence for the secret message of the enitre anime. Namely, that Ash is a horrible, horrible Pokemon trainer and that you should buy the games instead.
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Sep 1, 2018 08:22
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Hmm. Ash wasn't Charmander's original trainer though, he adopted it from that jerkwad who left it in the rain. Are there later examples of Pokémon disobeying him? Charizard is the only one I can remember from the first couple of seasons.
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Sep 1, 2018 08:50
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Charmeleon/Charizard was the disobedient Pokemon that stuck around longest, but I'm pretty sure Primeape was even before that. And it left the episode that it gained respect for Ash. I don't know if Haunter counts, because I can't remember if it was ever officially his Pokemon or if it was just following him around for some reason. I know Ash wanted it around to fight Sabrina (silly Ash, Haunter's no good against a Psychic gym), but I can't remember if Ash caught it or if it was just playing pranks on him or something. I stopped watching the anime soon after the Kanto league, so I don't know if there were any after that. Commander Keene fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Sep 1, 2018 |
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Sep 1, 2018 09:40
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Commander Keene posted:Charmeleon/Charizard was the disobedient Pokemon that stuck around longest, but I'm pretty sure Primeape was even before that. And it left the episode that it gained respect for Ash. I don't know if Haunter counts, because I can't remember if it was ever officially his Pokemon or if it was just following him around for some reason. I know Ash wanted it around to fight Sabrina (silly Ash, Haunter's no good against a Psychic gym), but I can't remember if Ash caught it or if it was just playing pranks on him or something. During Johto, Charizard was mostly away doing its own thing, but sometimes it was brought into an episode as a deus ex machina.
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Sep 1, 2018 09:55
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Commander Keene posted:Charmeleon/Charizard was the disobedient Pokemon that stuck around longest, but I'm pretty sure Primeape was even before that. And it left the episode that it gained respect for Ash. I don't know if Haunter counts, because I can't remember if it was ever officially his Pokemon or if it was just following him around for some reason. I know Ash wanted it around to fight Sabrina (silly Ash, Haunter's no good against a Psychic gym), but I can't remember if Ash caught it or if it was just playing pranks on him or something. Ash didn't actually catch Haunter. It just followed him. It's kind of funny. In the entire run of the anime, the only types that Ash has never officially captured and trained are Fairy (which I can understand, since they're so much newer), and Ghost, though that could change if his Rowlet makes it to it's final form. I wonder why they've never let him have a Ghost type?
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Sep 1, 2018 18:21
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Too spooky for the goody-two-shoes protagonist, I'd imagine.
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Sep 1, 2018 19:26
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Vandar posted:I wonder why they've never let him have a Ghost type? Because they aren't cute and small-child-friendly, I assume. Rowlet's final form will be acceptable, if it gets that far, because Rowlet itself is adorable. Otherwise the ghosts range from 'mischievous enough to be very minor 'villains' in single episodes' to 'too creepy'. In the opinion of someone who hasn't realised that kids like creepy. Ash's teams all start out as small and cute and round and cuddly, and Decidueye is the first ghost type to do that. Except Pumpkaboo, but they gave that to Jesse. Edit: and Litwick, but the pokedex entries for that put it clearly in single-episode-villain territory.
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Sep 1, 2018 19:31
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No reason they have to give him a Ghost and evolve it, they could always keep it in it's unevolved state. They've given him stuff like Gliscor and Glalie that fall onto the creepy side of things, anyway. Or they could have given him a Golett/Golurk because Ash getting to battle with a giant mech would have been incredibly rad.  It just seems kind of weird to me, that's all.
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Sep 1, 2018 19:50
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Lord Koth posted:Status effects are of course an option, but that can be both RNG-based and tedious, and basically boils down to just sleep or paralyze. Poison in particular isn't very useful for reasons, and it's immune to burn due to typing. Only Fire-types are immune to burn because of type. Everything else is fair game for being burnt, barring Water Veil or whatever. It might be nifty because it cuts Attack in half, and while Water is a special type, every non-Water-type move Misty's Pokemon has is Normal and thus physical. I mean, it's a pain to apply, but.
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Sep 1, 2018 20:22
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Seyser Koze posted:...So that didn't go too well. Kaz just appeared out of nowhere without warning and his dudes were both higher level than me. This has become his most infamous trait and it fills me with joy to see a blind reaction to it.  WampaPartyEX posted:Ah, Starmie. The first real hurdle of the remakes for everyone who didn't take Bulbasaur. It was pretty nasty in the original too, though at least Bubblebeam didn't confuse you. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Sep 3, 2018 |
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Sep 3, 2018 00:24
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:It was pretty nasty in the original too, though at least Bubblebeam didn't confuse you. ...Starmie confuses you? Also, the next update is going to be a little bit because it sucks and nothing happens and it's full of disappointment. Look forward to it!
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Sep 3, 2018 08:15
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Water Pulse, assuming you survive it, has a 20% chance of inflicting confusion.
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Sep 3, 2018 10:29
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Commander Keene posted:Well, the show refused to allow evolved Pokemon to have nice things. Ash's Pikachu refused to evolve, and most of his other evolved Pokemon either stopped listening to him, left, or both. I had always assumed it was because the writers didn't want Ash's team getting too powerful, lest he end up steamrolling everything he comes across.
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Cockmaster posted:I had always assumed it was because the writers didn't want Ash's team getting too powerful, lest he end up steamrolling everything he comes across. I think it's much more likely that they want to keep Ash's team largely within the marketable first-form Pokemon, but they also want to give the illusion that he's progressing as a trainer, so evolved Pokemon usually either stop listening to him and/or find something more important than a perpetual journey across the world to finally find a league Ash is capable of winning. Hell, Butterfree hosed off in order to get laid.
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Sep 4, 2018 03:27
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Vandar posted:It's kind of funny. In the entire run of the anime, the only types that Ash has never officially captured and trained are Fairy (which I can understand, since they're so much newer) He had a Goodra. Edit: Nevermind, I thought Goodra was part fairy.
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Sep 4, 2018 03:53
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Cockmaster posted:I had always assumed it was because the writers didn't want Ash's team getting too powerful, lest he end up steamrolling everything he comes across. Ash's Pikachu has beaten Legendaries and Pseudo-Legendaries.
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Sep 4, 2018 03:56
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Plus excessive continuity makes the show harder to approach for it's constantly rotating market of 7-10 year olds. "Ash caught this Pokemon before you were born" isn't much of a selling point.
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Sep 4, 2018 04:16
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That's why they should've switched to someone new after the Orange Islands.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:That's why they should've switched to someone new after the Orange Islands.
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Commander Keene posted:even in the games, Red shows up in GSC/HGSS and (I hear) in Gen 7 in Alola. Red and Green (Blue) both show up in the endgame as 20-somethings. Sadly Leaf does not. 
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:That's why they should've switched to someone new after the Orange Islands. keeping ash around keeps merchandise with him evergreen having him start fresh each gen helps market the new 'mons pokemon anime is about marketing things to kids before anything else
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Cockmaster posted:I had always assumed it was because the writers didn't want Ash's team getting too powerful, lest he end up steamrolling everything he comes across. Ash had a team of all fully evolved Pokemon (except Pikachu) at the end of the X/Y Anime. He still lost in the Kalos League.
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Omnicrom posted:Ash had a team of all fully evolved Pokemon (except Pikachu) at the end of the X/Y Anime. He still lost in the Kalos League. Ash will never win any real Pokemon League, even with a fuckin' Uber 'mon he literally powered up with his fighting spirit.
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ApeHawk posted:Ash will never win any real Pokemon League, even with a fuckin' Uber 'mon he literally powered up with his fighting spirit. That's because he taught Greninja cut and used it as his trump card.
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Commander Keene posted:Power levels are super easy to handwave. It's not like the anime has to obey the game's exact mechanics, or that the writers are afraid to take liberties with the source material (see: Ash's fight with Brock, or "Aim for the horn!"). We don't even have any way to know the Pokemon's stats (or even level) exactly, even counting stuff like "oh, Charmeleon evolved last episode and this one takes place right after, so he must be Level 16", or "X Pokemon uses Y move, so he must be at least Level Z". Wasn't there an episode somewhere in Johto or something where some kid battled using a computer that would scan the Pokemon and show their exact stats? I think the lesson in the anime was that he'd lose everything because he only used stats and not his instinct/Heart of the Cards/whatever.
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Sep 4, 2018 18:16
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The Scizor "Finish it off with False Swipe" guy? I think I remember that.
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e: nvm, overthinking things and caring too much
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Sep 5, 2018 05:28
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Bible Ian Black posted:or if Ash Ketchum could beat Goku in a fight or whatever. Just use a poison attack on him. Only a matter of time. All the power in the universe doesn't make you immune to poison. Alternately, Confusion and let him KO himself. EDIT: I meant this as a joke, not an invitation to debate.
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Patter Song posted:Just use a poison attack on him. Only a matter of time. All the power in the universe doesn't make you immune to poison. Yeah I realized a little too late that "woops don't post something when nobody gives a poo poo" but I'm just afraid of things spiraling down into Reborn Thread territory where the OP puts everyone on time out. (also destiny bond)
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Sep 5, 2018 05:33
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Honestly if you guys can refrain from spending pages "ironically" sharing your esoteric knowledge of weird internet porn in an effort to prove that you're totally more normal than people who look at weird internet porn, we should be fine. There might be some gaps between updates (case in point) and if people want to talk about stuff that's cool. (I reserve the right to close the thread anyway because I'm spiteful and arbitrary like that.)
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Seyser Koze posted:Honestly if you guys can refrain from spending pages "ironically" sharing your esoteric knowledge of weird internet porn in an effort to prove that you're totally more normal than people who look at weird internet porn, we should be fine. Do I want to know what this is about...?
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Epicmissingno posted:Do I want to know what this is about...? Pokemon fans are the worst goons, except for all the other kinds of worst goons.
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Seyser Koze posted:Honestly if you guys can refrain from spending pages "ironically" sharing your esoteric knowledge of weird internet porn in an effort to prove that you're totally more normal than people who look at weird internet porn, we should be fine. Well then what am I supposed to discuss?! 
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OP what's the rule for discussing things that emulation means you can't do normally? There are certain pokemon that need to be traded to be evolved so they won't evolve in an emulated game unless you do something with cheating features. Should we bring that up if you catch one?
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Sep 6, 2018 14:17
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If you need to do link cable stuff with a GBA Emulator, VBALink exists. I think a Gameshark snapshot could be used to transfer save data.
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Sep 6, 2018 18:43
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Faylone posted:If you need to do link cable stuff with a GBA Emulator, VBALink exists. I think a Gameshark snapshot could be used to transfer save data. Make sure to disable pause on defocus before trying that with two instances running together. Otherwise they will desync immediately.
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Sep 6, 2018 19:15
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Faylone posted:If you need to do link cable stuff with a GBA Emulator, VBALink exists. Unless it's somehow changed very recently (it won't have because VBALink has not been updated in years), this doesn't work for anything more recent than like maybe Crystal if even that.
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Dragonatrix posted:Unless it's somehow changed very recently (it won't have because VBALink has not been updated in years), this doesn't work for anything more recent than like maybe Crystal if even that. I think that might be backwards. I know VBA Link works fine for the GBA games (I've used it successfully with all of the gen 3 games, including this one), but I'm not sure if there's any link cable emulation that works for the earlier Gameboy/GBC games. It may well exist, but as far as I know VBA Link in particular doesn't support them.
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The VBALink site lists Fire Red among the games that it will work with. As for older stuff, at least Bizhawk can do trades between Red and Blue fine, since there's a TAS that does so to complete the pokedex in both in under 4 hours without glitching anything.
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