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Alchenar posted:https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals/7/Hot%20Spots/Documents/Russia/2017-07-The-Russian-Way-of-War-Grau-Bartles.pdf drat, the Russians are weird (when you come from Western perspective). So, your soldiers are conscripts, right, who have some skills needed for the military straight outta professional school and military adjacent sporting hobbies (parachutism, etc). Your warrant/professional NCOs are all specialized... well, specialists. The greatest burden of leadership falls on officers, so LT and up. The units are smaller to better work with officer ability to lead, but also staffs are smaller, so... 
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JcDent posted:drat, the Russians are weird (when you come from Western perspective). So, your soldiers are conscripts, right, who have some skills needed for the military straight outta professional school and military adjacent sporting hobbies (parachutism, etc). Your warrant/professional NCOs are all specialized... well, specialists. The greatest burden of leadership falls on officers, so LT and up. The units are smaller to better work with officer ability to lead, but also staffs are smaller, so... It's a system designed to generate and direct mass in a way that makes all of the attempted finesse and devolved decision making of Western militaries irrelevant.
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Sep 4, 2018 11:29
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Nenonen posted:The thing is, it's hard for any private person to give a non-suspicious explanation to collecting guns. But when a gun collector masturbates to the thought that their pieces might have been used to take life out of human beings, it becomes really creepy very fast, and makes you wonder if the person is fit to own weapons and if you should report them to some authority or another. Guns are, mechanically, neat. Also, I grew up watching and learning about the particular examples that I currently own. Also also, they are fun to shoot. Not really suspicious 
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Sep 4, 2018 15:08
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Guns are, mechanically, neat. Also, I grew up watching and learning about the particular examples that I currently own. You kind of failed to adress the actual point, which is that said collector masturbated to the thought that their weapons might have killed someone. That's less 'not really suspicious' and more 'has the mind of a serial killer'
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Sep 4, 2018 15:30
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There seems to be a significant premium paid for battlefield relics that actually saw combat*. Are we to assume that all of these collectors are latent serial killers? That seems a little bit silly! * based on watching pawn stars and antiques roadshow
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Sep 4, 2018 15:34
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For the record, the original wording was along the lines of "fairly sure most of them have put a hole in a german at some point or another" Which is pretty accurate shorthand for "these probably saw combat," inflating it into some masturbatory fantasy about ventilating the perfidious boche is pretty lame.
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Sep 4, 2018 15:46
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Tias posted:You kind of failed to adress the actual point, which is that said collector masturbated to the thought that their weapons might have killed someone. That's less 'not really suspicious' and more 'has the mind of a serial killer' Whatever keeps the urges at bay, I guess. I, on the other hand, prefer searching unit rosters and personal diaries/logs to see where and when exactly my firearm was used, and then revel in all the bloodshed it has caused, and witnessed. I don't necessarily masturbate to it, but ... 
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On the subject of guns, many men name their firearms after women. This got me thinking, aren't most guns male? My reasoning is that a male gun utilizes the "Closed Bolt" system, while a female gun would be an "Open Bolt" gun. Am I wrong? Can someone help me out with this? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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man if you all are clutching at your pearls from a comment like that please don't ever interact with actual soldiers in an actual combat zone, you'd be positively HORRIFIED at their casual and even sometimes insensitive outlook on death and violence
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Sep 4, 2018 16:01
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FAUXTON posted:For the record, the original wording was along the lines of "fairly sure most of them have put a hole in a german at some point or another" I’m pretty positive my Mosin saw combat. It’s not a fantasy (though killing Nazis is a perfectly fine fantasy), but just acknowledging the reality of buying surplus. An arsenal refurbished Mosin built in 1938 has an extremely high chance to have seen combat, to the point where it would be more surprising if it didn’t.
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Sep 4, 2018 16:05
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it would be extremely weird if the kind of guns i like ever saw combat
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Jobbo_Fett posted:On the subject of guns, many men name their firearms after women. This got me thinking, aren't most guns male? My reasoning is that a male gun utilizes the "Closed Bolt" system, while a female gun would be an "Open Bolt" gun. Now I'm weirded out that my open-bolt gun is named Mac. bewbies posted:man if you all are clutching at your pearls from a comment like that please don't ever interact with actual soldiers in an actual combat zone, you'd be positively HORRIFIED at their casual and even sometimes insensitive outlook on death and violence Weird thing is that goons on other forums masturbate to the idea of punching Nazis. In this one if you wonder, idly, if your gun was actually used for Nazi-killing you're a serial killer.
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Phanatic posted:Now I'm weirded out that my open-bolt gun is named Mac. Hey they don't all change their names afterwards
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Here's a test for milhist folks: Give me symbology for this unit type: Group Army. The main combat power of the notional Group Army consists of four to six Combined Arms Brigades (CAB). These brigades are supported by one Artillery Brigade, one Air Defense Brigade, an Aviation Brigade, a Special Operations Brigade, an Engineer and Chemical Defense Brigade, and a Service Support Brigade, consisting of logistics, transportation, medical, repair, ammunition, communications, UAV, and electronic warfare units. The 2017 reorganization placed a greater emphasis on System Warfare capabilities at the Group Army level, providing much more extensive suite of electronic warfare (EW) and cyber capabilities, long-range reconnaissance, and long-range fires under the direct control of Group Army commanders. Group Army commanders can now support their assigned Combined Arms Brigades with a significant suite of capabilities able to influence operations across all domains. Commander is a two-star. It is roughly between a NATO division and corps in size, and is not comparable to an old timey army group. I...don't even know.
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You can take these pearls I'm clutching from my cold, dead hands. Which will be very easy to do, as I will be dead at the time.
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Sep 4, 2018 16:24
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chitoryu12 posted:killing Nazis is a perfectly fine fantasy New thread title, please.
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Sep 4, 2018 16:27
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bewbies posted:Here's a test for milhist folks: All I got: 
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bewbies posted:man if you all are clutching at your pearls from a comment like that please don't ever interact with actual soldiers in an actual combat zone, you'd be positively HORRIFIED at their casual and even sometimes insensitive outlook on death and violence That's kind of the point though, people who know what killing is like are aware that they're joking - a lovely couch potato gun collector is fantasizing about murder, which is sort of a different bag. This is SA, I doubt anyone is actually offended as much as disappointed about that kind of thing.
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Xarbala posted:You can take these pearls I'm clutching from my cold, dead hands. Have you tried to move a body part which is in rigor mortis? Cold dead hands that are holding something smaller than themselves are no joke.
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Sep 4, 2018 16:33
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Trin Tragula posted:Have you tried to move a body part which is in rigor mortis? Cold dead hands that are holding something smaller than themselves are no joke. It appears I underestimate the strength of a dead me.
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Sep 4, 2018 16:34
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Phanatic posted:All I got: perfect
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Tias posted:That's kind of the point though, people who know what killing is like are aware that they're joking - a lovely couch potato gun collector is fantasizing about murder, I'm pretty sure the Nazis who were killed in combat do not count as murder victims.
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FWIW I think it's a little bit tasteless but escalating it up to 'masturbating about guns having killed people' is more than a little bit trollish in terms of phrasing and honestly I wish this conversation is over.
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HEY GUNS posted:it would be extremely weird if the kind of guns i like ever saw combat Combat against a window still counts
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Tias posted:That's kind of the point though, people who know what killing is like are aware that they're joking - a lovely couch potato gun collector is fantasizing about murder, which is sort of a different bag. This is SA, I doubt anyone is actually offended as much as disappointed about that kind of thing. There’s a long way to go from “these guns we’re probably used in a war” (which is what the quoted phrase parses as, as someone already pointed out) and fantasizing about murder. Even if you don’t want to parse “pretty sure they’ve all put a hole in a German” as shorthand for having seen combat it’s just a statement of fact. A lot of surplus guns might have been use to kill people. That’s a thing you have to deal with collecting that stuff. If you collect surplus guns the fact that poo poo you own might have killed someone is something you have to deal with eventually. It’s one of those things you’ll never know but have to figure out your own approach to. It’s a person to person thing and there isn’t any single correct answer. I’m fine owning Nazi guns, for example, but I had a Yugoslav SKS with a serb cross carved on the side that I got rid of because it weirded me out. Some people do fetishize that stuff in an ugly way. You really don’t need to go far to find that if it’s what you’re looking for. That said, I’ve seen that particular poster in TFR for something like a decade now and they’ve never been that. The worst thing you can lay at at their feet just based on Internet posting is being a bit of an Anglophile. I can see why they’ve noped out of this conversation but you’re really reaching for something to condemn here. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Sep 4, 2018 |
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FAUXTON posted:Combat against a window still counts I cut another notch in my pistol for each window shot out with it
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StandardVC10 posted:I cut another notch in my pistol for each window shot out with it amateur, you're supposed to open the window and then shoot out of it
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Or go like Varusteleka and really emphasize the history.quote:Unbelieveable thing consisting of canteen, cup and a two-piece mess tin. Good stuff for good price if you are not in a hurry, or if evil stuff is your thing. For the record, I bought one and it really is a godawful design if you're someone who actually needs to drink outside of a campsite.
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Canteens are cool. I got an East German one that had a weird seal in the cap. Took a swig from it, found out the hard way the seal had undergone some sort of decay and turned water into mouth-burning chemical waste.
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Canteens are cool. I got an East German one that had a weird seal in the cap. Took a swig from it, found out the hard way the seal had undergone some sort of decay and turned water into mouth-burning chemical waste. never saw anyone eat the drat things
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Gnoman posted:I've handled thousands of wartime editions. The difference really is the paper - not only is it thinner, it is somehow less dense. A wartime edition will weigh half as much as a prewar book of the same thickness. Outside the US you usually see it in gsm, which is grams per square meter and is a lot easier to understand. Heavier weight paper feels "thicker" and often is associated with better quality, but this isn't a 1:1 thing. How and how much the pulp has been processed, acid content, the smoothness of the paper, the brightness, and other factors are also important. Newsprint is very low weight, but the same material at a higher weight would still be very rough, have a lot of acid, and not particularly resistant to tearing. The dominant pulping technology also could only work with certain kinds of wood and was less well developed, so the paper was more acidic and less robust compared to modern paper at the same cost. This also tended to make it lower weight at the same price point. But the low weight was also driven by wartime rationing, as mentioned above, and even more to accommodate carbon copying. Over time pulping processes improved, and copies and desktop printers were invented. This made it possible to make higher quality paper at the same price point, and pushed heavier weights as the standard, since desktop printers didn't play nice with the thin sheets used for carbon copying. So that memo about bagel purchasing policies you ran off the office printer is likely to last quite a bit longer than WW2-era government records.
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HEY GUNS posted:i spent some quality time living in the room of a friend of an enemy surrounded by filth, cigarette ash, and old ossi mres from the 90s The canned bread was probably okay
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chitoryu12 posted:Or go like Varusteleka and really emphasize the history. This is disgusting, and hits a number of things I pointed out a few times about the perception of the Yugoslav war in the West. Cyrano4747 posted:I’m fine owning Nazi guns, for example, but I had a Yugoslav SKS with a serb cross carved on the side that I got rid of because it weirded me out. An example of the perception in question in action. And I say this as someone who probably has a much, much worse opinion about the original wielder of the said gun than you do.
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There was an episode of Forgotten Weapons that had a FN FAL painted in Rhodesian colours that weirded me out.
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my dad posted:This is disgusting, and hits a number of things I pointed out a few times about the perception of the Yugoslav war in the West. I think the difference is the Nazis were decisively defeated and their ideology massively discredited. As far as I am aware that wasn't something that happened in the Yugoslav Wars.
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why am i even bothering
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my dad posted:An example of the perception in question in action. And I say this as someone who probably has a much, much worse opinion about the original wielder of the said gun than you do. why do you give a poo poo?
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Why does the 7.62x39mm bullet in fact have a diameter of 7.92mm? And why such weird numbers anyway?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:why do you give a poo poo? My dad is one of the most consistently insightful posters in the extended SA milhist nerd bubble so like cool it a lil
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Fangz posted:Why does the 7.62x39mm bullet in fact have a diameter of 7.92mm? Because 7.62mm isn’t a measurement of the outer diameter of the bullet, it’s a measurement of the inner diameter of the lands in the barrel. quote:And why such weird numbers anyway? Cartridge nomenclature is weird, which is why I can fire both .38 bullets and .357 bullets from the same gun.
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