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papa horny michael posted:Sane moderate Mike Pence writing the NYT op-ed letting the american public know that Adults are working around the clock to ensure Mr. Trump doesn't break anything. So there's really no need to impeach. this is loving stupid, the NYT says his job would be in danger and there is absolutely no mechanism for a president to remove a vice president
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Raskolnikov38 posted:this is loving stupid, the NYT says his job would be in danger and there is absolutely no mechanism for a president to remove a vice president would you say its his...lodestar?
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Sep 5, 2018 22:39
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Actually I saw President Bartlet successfully do just that.
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Venom Snake posted:What matters most for Bernie is he has a national profile and lots of recognition. The average primary vote could probably describe him and his policies to you. You can't say the same for Kamala Harris or Corey Booker. well the more concerning part for him is that he is very well known but he doesn't have a dominant position in polling. if you already know a lot about bernie but aren't willing to back him now, why would you be more likely to back him once the other candidates start making their own pitches? if i had to guess the trajectory of 2020, it would be that bernie will be continue to be dominant in grassroots fundraising but will have a fairly low support ceiling. the dnc rules are less friendly to a candidate winning with small pluralities than the gop's. so the biggest threat to him would be starting out as one of the frontrunners in the summer of '19 and then falling behind as the field begins to consolidate in the early primary season.
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papa horny michael posted:Actually I saw President Bartlet successfully do just that. wasn't that because the VP pulled a petraeus
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Nothus posted:We're not even considering the random celebrities that are going to try a vanity run. If Donald Trump can do it, literally anyone with any sort of fame has a shot. makes me wonder how many celebs are watching nixon v cuomo outcome to see if they might run
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Concerned Citizen posted:the primary isn't gonna break up into any kind of discernable factions because most people don't pick candidates in primaries via ideology, and donor/political relationships are driven more by personal friendships. it's gonna be a huge mess that will just sort of shake itself out in 8-9 months in what will likely be an unpredictable manner.
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Concerned Citizen posted:well the more concerning part for him is that he is very well known but he doesn't have a dominant position in polling. if you already know a lot about bernie but aren't willing to back him now, why would you be more likely to back him once the other candidates start making their own pitches? if i had to guess the trajectory of 2020, it would be that bernie will be continue to be dominant in grassroots fundraising but will have a fairly low support ceiling. the dnc rules are less friendly to a candidate winning with small pluralities than the gop's. so the biggest threat to him would be starting out as one of the frontrunners in the summer of '19 and then falling behind as the field begins to consolidate in the early primary season. economic immiseration is accelerating and he credibly advocates for reforming the system. he'll win.
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well this whole lodestar experience has given me a great insight into just how loving insane anyone that follows this poo poo appears to normal people. congrats trump on your re-election
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Raskolnikov38 posted:wasn't that because the VP pulled a petraeus Yea the VP resigned due to cheating on his wife, he wasn't "removed" in fact Bartlett and Leo offer to try to cover it up for him so he can stay VP.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:this is loving stupid, the NYT says his job would be in danger and there is absolutely no mechanism for a president to remove a vice president i wouldn't bet on the honesty and integrity of the NYT Opinion editors
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Raskolnikov38 posted:wasn't that because the VP pulled a petraeus Yep. BrutalistMcDonalds posted:but we're probably going to wind up with mark cuban or somebody stupid Even worse the Dems will retool some former Republicans who'll hold office for a year or two before gaining the presidency in a bipartisan show of support for sane adults. quote:John McCain’s former chief of staff said Wednesday that he is considering running for the Senate as a Democrat as he grapples with Donald Trump’s presidency and the death of the Arizona senator. Grant Woods, who is also a former Arizona attorney general, said in an interview that he has spoken to several Democratic senators about the idea, including Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.). Woods supported Hillary Clinton’s campaign for president and said he has been troubled by Trump in recent years. McCain’s passing has led him to consider “whether I need to step up at this point in time,” he said. papa horny michael fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Sep 5, 2018 |
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I'm not really sure you can look at the historically poor performance of establishment candidates across the board in primaries and say that "yes this is good for Bernie challengers" We live in the parody universe ofc so we could very well have someone try to outflank bernie on the left lol
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the fyad prodromal schizophrenia post but its the trump thread
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WampaLord posted:Yea the VP resigned due to cheating on his wife, he wasn't "removed" in fact Bartlett and Leo offer to try to cover it up for him so he can stay VP. Its amazing how quaint that plot seems now.
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Venom Snake posted:I'm not really sure you can look at the historically poor performance of establishment candidates across the board in primaries and say that "yes this is good for Bernie challengers" there should be people left of bernie running for office they sure as hell won't come from the establishment however
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Raskolnikov38 posted:congrats trump on your re-election
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Lastgirl posted:everyone whining about avenatti just doesn't see the chaos comedy factor of it all Nah, we need a reality tv liberal dingbat for this.
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Venom Snake posted:I'm not really sure you can look at the historically poor performance of establishment candidates across the board in primaries and say that "yes this is good for Bernie challengers"
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Scary! posted:Are there any good essays on the subject of symbolism/ the abuse of language to ruin the meaning of words? The most recent debacle over Zina Dash has made more curious
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Venom Snake posted:I'm not really sure you can look at the historically poor performance of establishment candidates across the board in primaries and say that "yes this is good for Bernie challengers" there will almost certainly be people trying to outflank bernie on the left, probably on guns and immigration. but i do not agree that "establishment candidates across the board" are performing poorly. the vast majority still won their races, mostly by a lot.
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etalian posted:meanwhile in inspiring centrist leadership land lol way sub trump numbers
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Multiple people in my Facebook feed have linked this article unironically
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unless bernie dies before the DNC he's probably gonna win in a field with 20 indistinguishable centrists splitting votes and funding avenatti throws a wrench into things but hopefully primary voters don't get huckstered (they are definitely going to get huckstered)
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the bitcoin of weed posted:unless bernie dies before the DNC he's probably gonna win in a field with 20 indistinguishable centrists splitting votes and funding what are the odds that we see more than one WaPo/NYT editorial where an incensed lanyard blames Avenatti's nomination on Bernie
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Concerned Citizen posted:there will almost certainly be people trying to outflank bernie on the left, probably on guns and immigration. but i do not agree that "establishment candidates across the board" are performing poorly. the vast majority still won their races, mostly by a lot. I believe it was fairly obvious it was across the board in terms of national polling for 2020 hopefuls, not in their local elections where they tend to be at least more accountable and personable towards the voters themselves.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:this is loving stupid, the NYT says his job would be in danger and there is absolutely no mechanism for a president to remove a vice president Pence is such a perfect VP for Trump, he's a quiet bootlicker who doesn't ever try and show up the boss and brings alot of fundie cred so I don't see him going anywhere (even if Trump could fire him, which he can't) .You don't need 2 exciting candidates on the same ticket. But it's also not impossible that he dumps Pence as a running mate in 2020 because Newt went on the teevee and said some nice things about him so who the gently caress knows.
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The Nastier Nate posted:Pence is such a perfect VP for Trump, he's a quiet bootlicker who doesn't ever try and show up the boss and brings alot of fundie cred so I don't see him going anywhere (even if Trump could fire him, which he can't) .You don't need 2 exciting candidates on the same ticket. But it's also not impossible that he dumps Pence as a running mate in 2020 because Newt went on the teevee and said some nice things about him so who the gently caress knows. that would require trump to tell pence hes being replaced and trump is too much of a coward
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etalian posted:meanwhile in inspiring centrist leadership land France is just going to circulate through parties because their country is a fuckshow of dysfunction
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Main Paineframe posted:one 2020 candidate is already coming around to the idea of packing the Supreme Court Unironically think bernie should offer basta the VP slot.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:that would require trump to tell pence hes being replaced and trump is too much of a coward he might do it by mail if pence is on the other side of the world
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reignonyourparade posted:Unironically think bernie should offer basta the VP slot. unironically think bernie shouldn't give him poo poo
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Zoran posted:unironically think bernie shouldn't give him poo poo I think bernie should give him poo poo literally I mean
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:or like an american version of the five-star movement. Five star is trump-light by way of online pol.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:or like an american version of the five-star movement. Despite asking about this numerous times I still don't understand it.
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Yinlock posted:he might do it by mail if pence is on the other side of the world don't be stupid, he would tweet it
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ThndrShk2k posted:The races weren't national races i interpret "I'm not really sure you can look at the historically poor performance of establishment candidates across the board in primaries" as referring to past primaries, not primary polling. but even so, the only other person being polled that any knows is biden. most people still do not recognize warren, booker, etc. and biden is usually running about even with bernie in the low 20s or teens. i think people are very open to an alternative to either.
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