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Lunchabully posted:On that subject I wish more games had System Shock 2's "you have to do everything in real time" philosophy. Or at least more immersive / horror games. Nothing like checking your map or settling in to read a bit of lore and suddenly the door next to your hiding place flies open and here comes a cyborg woman with no face howling for your blood Alien: Isolation is one of the most immersive horror games I have ever played especially if you watched the drat Alien films growing up and got scared shitless by them.
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Isolation was not too long
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Sep 8, 2018 07:19
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Cities Skylines is a bad game.
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Sep 8, 2018 08:53
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Justin Godscock posted:Alien: Isolation is one of the most immersive horror games I have ever played especially if you watched the drat Alien films growing up and got scared shitless by them. Totally agreed. It's also got, conceptually speaking, some of the very best artistic production design in all of gaming. There are so many incredible machine interfaces in the game and it really makes you feel like a retro-futurist mechanic.
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Civilization games are poo poo
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I love Alien Isolation, and I will never play anything more than the barely-intro bits that I played. These spooky games are great, but holy cow I cannot handle them. System Shock 2 was great, I've been playing the Prey demo and super digging it. Problem is that it crashes every few seconds, which is probably mostly due to running it on Linux via Steamplay, but I'm secretly hoping the demo itself is just crashy (old internet posts claim so) while patched retail is stable. Feedback from owners? A good lockpicking minigame was in Thief (older ones), where again you had to do it in realtime and often in the patrol path of a guy you're trying to dodge.
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DebonaireD posted:The hacking in system shock 2 was good because it didn't pause the outside world. Working on a computer and then you hear a creepy sound coming closer somewhere off screen was effective, like everything else in that game. system shock 2 is best shock
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sebmojo posted:Fallout 3 nailed lockpicking. The hacking was good too. the bethesda lockpick minigame is fine and I've done it so many times I can do it in my sleep but I'm so sick of the hacking minigame I might never put points in science again Serephina posted:I love Alien Isolation, and I will never play anything more than the barely-intro bits that I played. These spooky games are great, but holy cow I cannot handle them. AI is a great horror game, but it would probably be a better game if it were half as long. Not that it's too thin or it's bad or anything like that, it does it's thing extremely well for the duration, but ~20 hours is a long time to subject yourself to this. They could have done exacty the same game in 2 parts and the pacing would automatically be better Justin Godscock posted:Alien: Isolation is one of the most immersive horror games I have ever played especially if you watched the drat Alien films growing up and got scared shitless by them. after finishing AI I cleared my horror backlog on steam and none of the cheesy jump scares on rails had poo poo on me poverty goat fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Sep 8, 2018 |
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I love RCT1/2 but Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 was also a great game, lots of visual options for everything and it looked really good for the time. I like how when you zoom out your park becomes a sea of colorful lights. The gameplay is much better than Planet Coaster in almost every way too.
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poverty goat posted:the bethesda lockpick minigame is fine and I've done it so many times I can do it in my sleep but I'm so sick of the hacking minigame I might never put points in science again I'd say it's about 3 hours longer than it needs to be, yeah, though it doesn't really harm my overall opinion of the game. I imagine that the devs were nervous about releasing a single-player game and having it be docked for being too short so they stuck in all the content they could.
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Not an opinion but I don't know the difference between Nioh and Nier, and also not between Dark Souls and Demons Souls
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Sep 8, 2018 19:29
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Shibawanko posted:Not an opinion but I don't know the difference between Nioh and Nier, and also not between Dark Souls and Demons Souls Demons Souls is the first Dark Souls but has its own setting, basically
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QuarkJets posted:Demons Souls is the first Dark Souls but has its own setting, basically I would love a Demon Souls remake that added in some QoL changes from the DS games and also added in the land for that one broken pillar.
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Shibawanko posted:Not an opinion but I don't know the difference between Nioh and Nier, and also not between Dark Souls and Demons Souls If you put "gg" in the middle of "Nioh" it doesn't result in an offensive word. That's the key difference
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Sep 8, 2018 20:52
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the arcade game Gonta the Diver II, playable on MAME, is a really well done take on Qix, and even though it is adult themed, one of my favourite findings on that platform (arcade games). i wonder how well a port would have done on the snes or ps1 with the adult content removed. sorry about that
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Sep 8, 2018 22:09
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pretty much. for a thing called "fantasy" it's really unimaginative and humdrum
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Sep 8, 2018 22:25
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The closer a game sticks to real world reality, the more impactful and potentially creative it can be. Because creativity isn't about making new sexy futuristic outfits for your underage anime robot waifu, it's about creating believable human interactions.
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Fantasy is perfectly good tool but most fantasy writers only use it to the same effect superpowers are used in comic books Which is probably why horror is usually the best form of fantasy, when it's antagonistic it forces the writer to think deeper than "wouldn't it be cool if I could shoot fireballs?"
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Horror is the most trashy, worthless genre that is most subject to fads and tropes. It is just pure garbage and recycled scenes 99.999% of the time.
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steinrokkan posted:Horror is the most trashy, worthless genre that is most subject to fads and tropes. It is just pure garbage and recycled scenes 99.999% of the time. It's all jump scares, crass mutilation stuff, or simply taking agency away from the player. It's so dull. The only time I've ever been adrenaline pumping scared in a game was playing Left 4 Dead multiplayer with goons. But that was because of the humans controlling the zombies playing mind games, not the zombies themselves. Left 4 Dead was fun as poo poo.
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Here's an unpopular opinion. Left4Dead and Vermintide games (it's the same loving game basically) are only fun for maybe an hour maybe two tops. They're so loving repetitive, I don't get how people keep playing them.
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oh dope posted:It's all jump scares, crass mutilation stuff, or simply taking agency away from the player. It's so dull. it was scary as gently caress playing doom in my pitch black basement when i was 10
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steinrokkan posted:The closer a game sticks to real world reality, the more impactful and potentially creative it can be. Because creativity isn't about making new sexy futuristic outfits for your underage anime robot waifu, it's about creating believable human interactions. No it isn't
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Jack Trades posted:Here's an unpopular opinion. There are a bunch of different maps and a bunch of different things can happen on those maps, so it's definitely fun for a lot more than an hour or two But not more time than it takes to, say, play all of the maps twice. I think 10 hours is probably the minimum you'd have to play L4D before you start feeling any repetition at all, assuming you play a mix of coop and versus.
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steinrokkan posted:The closer a game sticks to real world reality, the more impactful and potentially creative it can be. Because creativity isn't about making new sexy futuristic outfits for your underage anime robot waifu, it's about creating believable human interactions. I dig most of your hot takes but this one sucks friend.
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i got burned out on left 4 dead because, not repetition, but because of length. everyone wants to run a full chapter/story and that takes a long rear end time. It's not that fun dedicating multiple hours and if you have a party member that's kind of dumb/weak at the game it becomes a stressful chore to keep them alive through the mach forget about the politics of versus
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2house2fly posted:No it isn't Ah, that's why War and Peace is considered a boring cliche while the Star Trek novels are timeless classics.
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Fantasy is only as good as it relates to the real world. Which ultimately means that realism, if presented well, is superior to anything else.
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If only realism matters, why have fantasy at all?
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Me, reading War And Peace: wow, this is so creative
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2house2fly posted:If only realism matters, why have fantasy at all? Because writers in general suck, and fantasy settings are a crutch for lesser authors who can't really relate to other people 2house2fly posted:Me, reading War And Peace: wow, this is so creative Gamers are the first people to bring out the truth: Tolstoy was a hack
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Further: why have fiction at all?
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steinrokkan posted:Because writers in general suck, and fantasy settings are a crutch for lesser authors who can't really relate to other people people who hate fantasy are boring loving dorks too afraid to let their mind ponder possibilities outside of their own reality, and are creatively stunted weirdos.
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2house2fly posted:Further: why have fiction at all? Because fiction allows us to explore reality. basic hitler posted:people who hate fantasy are boring loving dorks too afraid to let their mind ponder possibilities outside of their own reality, and are creatively stunted weirdos. Fantasy is an excuse to be lazy in storytelling.
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My personal view is that fiction can serve a purpose as a lens to examine concepts from a perspective relatively divorced from reality, prompting re-examination of the analogues of those concepts in reality. It is merely a covenient coincidence that this opinion not only justifies but perhaps even necessitates fiction taking place in the fantasy and science fiction settings I enioysteinrokkan posted:Because fiction allows us to explore reality. Guess what else allows us to explore reality: reality
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Sep 9, 2018 00:29
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All of the science fiction books that are good are straightforward extrapolations of current society, they don't deal with elves and orcs and hobbits.
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Sep 9, 2018 00:31
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Can't be that good if they're all just made up play-pretend fiction
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2house2fly posted:Can't be that good if they're all just made up play-pretend fiction Yes, they are worse than pure realism.
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steinrokkan posted:Fantasy is an excuse to be lazy in storytelling. I’m in 100% agreement with the guy who went on a rant in this thread about eel dimensions and other crazy poo poo. Sci-fi too. Have you seen the crazy deep sea creatures that actually exist on this planet?
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Elder Scrolls tried making more fantasy races than the bog standard and that's why it also has furries and blacks. 
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