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Has this been mentioned here? Turkey snatches 'Gulenist' teachers in Moldovaquote:Turkish and Moldovan intelligence services have reportedly detained at least six Turkish nationals employed at a private chain of high schools in Moldova today, part of Ankara’s controversial global campaign to seize and render individuals linked to exiled Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen back to Turkey. quote:All six detainees are teachers or students at the Horizont Turkish chain of lycees linked to Gulen’s worldwide network, which Ankara is determined to see shuttered. Ilknur Karacaoglu's husband Hasan, a deputy principal at Horizant, was among the detainees. She told BOLDmedya she and her husband were driving when a group of men she described as “police” stopped their car by force. The men did not identify themselves. “My husband tried to flee. They pushed him to the ground and kicked a few times, then took him away. It was a mafia-style thing,” she said. quote:On March 31, the SIS detained Horizont director Turgay Sen for alleged links to terrorism financing. He was freed after seeking political asylum in Moldova. He was not named among today’s group.
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General Flynn's clandestine operations have brought him back to Moldova, it seems.
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Sep 9, 2018 17:29
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Turns out the exact moment Hass underground hospital was bombed was caught on camera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9FwG8lIyPc You can clearly see the bomb at the start of the video falling through the air, it's all consistent with the claims helicopters dropped barrel bombs on the hospital, which were tracked by aircraft spotters and seen by witnesses.
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Sep 9, 2018 17:38
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Grape posted:Hey everyone, it's me, the anti-imperialist guy. And today I want to talk about how it's just plain ridiculous to blame current conflict and tensions on what Europe was doing to these places, what, 50+ years ago? Gimme a break. Take some responbility for yourselves post-colonial nations. The Ottomans are just as guilty. Like I know everyone in this thread wants to give Tayyip a reacharound but his country’s predecessor and previous Sunni rulers spent like 100s of years kicking Alawites into the dirt, and stripping them of their rights. This may come as a surprise to you, but Sunnis do not have a monopoly on suffering and discrimination.
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Sep 9, 2018 19:37
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Squalid posted:The text of the book I posted was written in 1980. Hafez repeatedly downplayed or suppressed the more unique aspects of the Alawite religion, and made a concerted effort to outright ignore the divisions in Islam. The Assads have not been very kind to their bretheren; they are primarily concerned about themselves and their allied families.
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Sep 9, 2018 19:42
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Frond posted:The Ottomans are just as guilty. Like I know everyone in this thread wants to give Tayyip a reacharound what, no. no erdogan's name has very very consistently been Mud in every iteration of this thread.
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Sep 9, 2018 19:43
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Frond posted:Hafez repeatedly downplayed or suppressed the more unique aspects of the Alawite religion, and made a concerted effort to outright ignore the divisions in Islam. The Assads have not been very kind to their bretheren; they are primarily concerned about themselves and their allied families. Why do you think Sunni supporters of Assad say they are targeted for harassment because of their religion? Would you say a Sunni officer and an Alawite officer of no blood relation to Assad have equal odds of promotion within the Syrian military?
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Sep 9, 2018 19:56
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Squalid posted:Why do you think Sunni supporters of Assad say they are targeted for harassment because of their religion? Would you say a Sunni officer and an Alawite officer of no blood relation to Assad have equal odds of promotion within the Syrian military? Now? Not likely. In the past (prior to the war) this was absolutely the case.
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Sep 9, 2018 20:16
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Weird how Alawites made up over 80% of Syrian officers prior to the war. Just lucky guys I guess.
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Frond posted:Now? Not likely. In the past (prior to the war) this was absolutely the case. Sergg posted:Weird how Alawites made up over 80% of Syrian officers prior to the war. Just lucky guys I guess. Hell of a coincidence ahaha
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Frond posted:The Ottomans are just as guilty. Like I know everyone in this thread wants to give Tayyip a reacharound Congrats on somehow being even more wrong than you were previously?
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Sep 9, 2018 21:53
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Frond posted:The Ottomans are just as guilty. Like I know everyone in this thread wants to give Tayyip a reacharound but I'm married to a Greek Cypriot lolllll, please tell me more about my extensive Turkish apologism I apparently do! Like this was a dumb as hell accusation at the thread in general but you really couldn't have tossed it at a worse person, so congrats on your extremely low quality whataboutism. 
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Sep 9, 2018 23:27
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Has this been mentioned here? Turkey snatches 'Gulenist' teachers in Moldova lol Turkey had to find the wimpiest most desperate target in the area for them to bully into playing ball on this bullshit.
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Willie Tomg posted:what, no. no erdogan's name has very very consistently been Mud in every iteration of this thread. Yes, but remember, it's only because he's a POC.
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Ego-bot posted:Yes, but remember, it's only because he's a POC. Maybe by like Iowan standards lmao.
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Grape posted:Maybe by like Iowan standards lmao. Muslim counts as brown.
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The ruling ethnicity of all states tend to be disproportionately represented in elite fighting units. An interesting example is how there are more Native Americans in the Navy SEALs than African Americans.
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Sep 10, 2018 03:06
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qkkl posted:The ruling ethnicity of all states tend to be disproportionately represented in elite fighting units. An interesting example is how there are more Native American's in the Navy SEALs than African Americans. wat.
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qkkl is very possibly just a bot programmed to make hot takes, pay him no mind.
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Sep 10, 2018 03:35
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Alawites are just naturally better soldiers, which is why they get promoted to officer so quickly. Also they get their own traffic lanes in Damascus because they're such good drivers
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Sep 10, 2018 06:20
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Are there posters itt suffering from the effects.of chemical weapons?
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Sergg posted:Alawites are just naturally better soldiers, which is why they get promoted to officer so quickly. Actually, they introduced separate lanes after Bassels death due to Alawites being bad drivers. this is fake news
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Sep 10, 2018 08:18
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Personally I think a mafioso clan of bourgeoisie looters should be in control of every country. I think we can all agree that the real badguys of this war are hospitals.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Are there posters itt suffering from the effects.of chemical weapons? a prerequisite for posting in ME/israel-palestine threads is that you have to be monumentally retarded. even the people with decent takes.
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So apparently Trump just closed both PLO offices and Palestine diplomatic mission in Washington - hopefully this is just virtue signalling to his howling evangelist supporters and not a prelude to more bloodshed 
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Sergg posted:Personally I think a mafioso clan of bourgeoisie looters should be in control of every country. I think we can all agree that the real badguys of this war are hospitals. Thats the people's mafioso clan of bourgeoisie looters to you bub.
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Sergg posted:Personally I think a mafioso clan of bourgeoisie looters should be in control of every country. I think we can all agree that the real badguys of this war are hospitals. This seems to imply that every Alawite was a member of the Shabiha.
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Assad(and by extension, the Syrian Regime) is simply a murderous rear end in a top hat that went after any and all threats to his rule. It just so happens that the largest of these groups are Sunni Islamists. I don’t believe that he engineered an Alawite dominated state. He’s many things but I just don’t see evidence of this supposed sectarianism.
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Sep 10, 2018 17:45
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Frond posted:Assad(and by extension, the Syrian Regime) is simply a murderous rear end in a top hat that went after any and all threats to his rule. It just so happens that the largest of these groups are Sunni Islamists. I don’t believe that he engineered an Alawite dominated state. He’s many things but I just don’t see evidence of this supposed sectarianism. Several examples were shown to you already.
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Sectarianism in the Syrian Arab Republic, you say?
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Count Roland posted:Several examples were shown to you already. Can't see evidence if you refuse to look at it!
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Frond posted:Assad(and by extension, the Syrian Regime) is simply a murderous rear end in a top hat that went after any and all threats to his rule. It just so happens that the largest of these groups are Sunni Islamists. I don’t believe that he engineered an Alawite dominated state. He’s many things but I just don’t see evidence of this supposed sectarianism. Hey maybe you didn't pick this up from all the constant mentionings of European colonial empires using ethnic and sectarian tensions to help rule. But turns out such things are also super useful for authoritarian regimes in holding on to power as well.
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When I say "looters" I'm not being coy or using Marxist lingo, I mean literal looters. Every single ounce of wealth that exists in former rebel territory is carefully extracted by the militias and redistributed into a second-hand black market of looted goods that exists within Syria's patronage networks and is done with total impunity by government forces. Sometimes they even loot government-controlled neighborhoods. They even take refrigerators and strip the copper wiring out of houses if they can. http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-syria-tafeesh-20180730-story.html "There’s inevitably a sectarian element. Tafeesh markets appearing in religiously mixed cities such as Homs are often called souq al-Sunnah (the Sunnis’ market)."
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Sergg posted:When I say "looters" I'm not being coy or using Marxist lingo, I mean literal looters. Every single ounce of wealth that exists in former rebel territory is carefully extracted by the militias and redistributed into a second-hand black market of looted goods that exists within Syria's patronage networks and is done with total impunity by government forces. Sometimes they even loot government-controlled neighborhoods. They even take refrigerators and strip the copper wiring out of houses if they can. Yeah, that article mentions that it's so much of an issue that Russian military officers stepped in and put a stop to it on at least one occasion: quote:In May, a video emerged of three Russian military officers arresting three government fighters when they tried to leave Babbila, a suburb near Damascus, with two truckloads of furniture. A crowd gathering around them breaks into applause when the Russians force the looters to lie on the ground.
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Saladin Rising posted:Yeah, that article mentions that it's so much of an issue that Russian military officers stepped in and put a stop to it on at least one occasion: Just because it's so bad that even regime soldiers and alawites get their poo poo robbed if they aren't around.
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Wait, so why is the US in Afghanistan again?
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Frond posted:Assad(and by extension, the Syrian Regime) is simply a murderous rear end in a top hat that went after any and all threats to his rule. It just so happens that the largest of these groups are Sunni Islamists. I don’t believe that he engineered an Alawite dominated state. He’s many things but I just don’t see evidence of this supposed sectarianism. Uhh do you think he inherited an Alawite dominated state?
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Sneakster posted:Wait, so why is the US in Afghanistan again? Obama convened a council of national security experts to answer this question and their response was vOv
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Sneakster posted:Wait, so why is the US in Afghanistan again? The Taliban were giving safe harbor to Al Qaeda and they were using that as a base for global terrorist operations. Thus it was decided that the Taliban taking over the whole country would be a very bad result. Afghanistan was still in the midst of a rather long and ugly civil war. We didn't technically invade, we just started giving lots of help to the Northern Alliance faction. It's been rather more difficult to stabilize the country than anticipated, shockingly. It's a good question as to whether letting the Taliban take over the country would have produced a worse result. I'm not sure at this point. Afghanistan was going to be a weeping sore for decades whether we had intervened or not and it's hard to judge which outcome would have been worse.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Uhh do you think he inherited an Alawite dominated state? To be clear he did: his father set up that domination in his 29 years before Bashar took over and continued it.
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