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Guy Goodbody posted:I genuinely think that the best thing for the Build franchise to do is to do a different genre show in the Gunpla obsessed world it has established. Like a Gunpla romance or cooking show. There was that one cooking anime Sunrise made where the Black Tri-Stars made a cameo as a team of bread makers.
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Guy Goodbody posted:I genuinely think that the best thing for the Build franchise to do is to do a different genre show in the Gunpla obsessed world it has established. Like a Gunpla romance or cooking show. Who will FA-gundam-chan choose? Will she fall in with her childhood friend and resident bad boy zaku-kun, or will she pursue a safe, boring future with SUMO-sempai? I will accept any Gunpla genre show as long as the primary actors are the gunpla
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Sep 10, 2018 20:18
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They still make SD Gundam shorts, don't they? Make them into a whole show.
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Sep 10, 2018 20:24
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Hell, you could do a MMO in the original BF universe where you scan your Gunpla in and your Gunpla is your in-game avatar.
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Sep 10, 2018 20:25
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Arcsquad12 posted:There was that one cooking anime Sunrise made where the Black Tri-Stars made a cameo as a team of bread makers. I think that was in Yakitate!! Japan which is a genuinely amazing show. So good.
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Sep 10, 2018 20:43
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Blaze Dragon posted:Is it though? If anything, it's insane the original Build Fighters worked, as a far more blatant half-hour ad for Gunpla than any Gundam series prior. I don't mean this because I think merchandise-driven shows are bad, but because of how it seems like the exact kind of poo poo that'd get Bandai to micromanage everything because we gotta sell really hard, gently caress your creative vision. The problem with this is that the gunpla in question are mostly pretty drat good. Solid designs, really colorful liveries, willingness to get a little crazy with the special effects parts and so on. It's like the SEMA car show but Gunpla. I built a Wing Zero Honoo and it's a really cool looking kit.
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Sep 10, 2018 21:12
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Arcsquad12 posted:So we went from "holy poo poo making plastic robots fight using future-physics because this hobby is awesome!" to "Artificial Intelligence need people rights DRAMA!" in just five years. And then in late UC you get Minovsky flight systems and poo poo gets super bonkers.
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Waffles Inc. posted:How fast are ships and mobile suits in the UC? Like, what is the travel time between Sides? How far apart are ships when they engage and launch suits? The White Base apparently takes about a week to go from Side 7 to Earth, which is about as long as it'd take to go from Earth to any of the other Sides or to go from one Lagrange Point to the next closest one since they're all equidistant from Earth. I don't think that passage of time is ever conveyed in show though, and it's just something pulled from the wiki's timeline so take it with a grain of salt. Arcsquad12 posted:Mobile Suit engagements tend to be very close range, again due to minovksy particles making long range detection next to impossible. Close range in space probably meaning under 1000 kilometers, and often less than 10km. I highly doubt any two ships in Gundam ever engage at more than about 30km or maybe 100km at most. 1000km seems way, way outside anything actually shown on screen. Minovsky particles are presumably responsible for why engagements need to be so close, and without them they could probably engage at far longer ranges but I don't recall any ship to ship battles that ever seemed even close to that kind of range.
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Sep 11, 2018 00:12
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tsob posted:The White Base apparently takes about a week to go from Side 7 to Earth, which is about as long as it'd take to go from Earth to any of the other Sides or to go from one Lagrange Point to the next closest one since they're all equidistant from Earth. L1 is nearest earth. L2 is slightly farther away. L4 and L5 are each the same distance from Earth. L3 is on the other side of the sun.
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Sep 11, 2018 00:16
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Those are the Earth/Sun Lagrange points. Gundam uses the Earth/Moon Lagrange points.
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Sep 11, 2018 00:31
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Edit: gently caress it.
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tsob posted:Those are the Earth/Sun Lagrange points. Gundam uses the Earth/Moon Lagrange points. L1 and 2 are not equidistant 
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Sep 11, 2018 00:51
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I distinctly remember a line like "Side 3, which was the furthest from Earth". Did I dream that?
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Sep 11, 2018 00:53
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Improbable Lobster posted:L1 and 2 are not equidistant Yea, I forgot the exact positions of all of them and thought they were all equidistant like points 3, 4 and 5 are. My mistake. Droyer posted:I distinctly remember a line like "Side 3, which was the furthest from Earth". Did I dream that? Side 3 (Zeon) is at L1, on the far side of the Moon. It'd take extra time regardless of distance, since you'd have to travel around the Moon to reach it. I'm pretty sure the narrator says that line in the opening prologue of the first dozen or so episodes though, yes.
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Sep 11, 2018 00:58
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oWsXv7b4NQ
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tsob posted:The White Base apparently takes about a week to go from Side 7 to Earth, which is about as long as it'd take to go from Earth to any of the other Sides or to go from one Lagrange Point to the next closest one since they're all equidistant from Earth. I don't think that passage of time is ever conveyed in show though, and it's just something pulled from the wiki's timeline so take it with a grain of salt. The 1000km estimate I put out takes drift into account. They don't just go to a dead stop when they engage, and space is really big. Considering ships and suits are only limited by their maximum rate of acceleration, a battlefield's active zone would be less than 100km but take place over thousands of kilometers as they drift relative to each other.
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Arcsquad12 posted:The 1000km estimate I put out takes drift into account. They don't just go to a dead stop when they engage, and space is really big. Considering ships and suits are only limited by their maximum rate of acceleration, a battlefield's active zone would be less than 100km but take place over thousands of kilometers as they drift relative to each other. Quick! Somebody edit Initial D music into some gundam battles!
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Sep 11, 2018 03:01
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AtheistMantis posted:Quick! Somebody edit Initial D music into some gundam battles! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgiXKbOlACE
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Improbable Lobster posted:L1 and 2 are not equidistant L2 is also the point on the far side of the moon, not L1, despite what that image indicates. For some reason they've been swapped.
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I think the UC Sides are also like zones orbiting the LG points, not the points themselves. I'm not sure what the advantage of this is, though it does seem like it might be more space efficient and perhaps not require as much station-keeping fuel? Colonies are already probably tracked by computer if you're going from one to the other. Anyway here is a useful pair of images:  
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Nessus posted:I think the UC Sides are also like zones orbiting the LG points, not the points themselves. I'm not sure what the advantage of this is, though it does seem like it might be more space efficient and perhaps not require as much station-keeping fuel? Colonies are already probably tracked by computer if you're going from one to the other. L1, 2, and 3 are all metastable so you can't really park anything right on then without using tons of corrective thrust. 4 and 5 will attract things to themselves and will become shoal zones without constant janitoring.
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I picked up reading the Unicorn: Bande Dessinee manga again, which follows the novels more closely, and I found out why they apparently changed the character who pilots the Shamblo for the anime version. Originally the girl rides Shamblo with her muslim extremist father and he makes her blow up a tower full of civilians because it's a symbol of  but the girl begins to wonder if their "jihad" is justified. Then her father shoots her and her newtype ghost shows Banagher where to shoot the ShambloIt's a shame they had to be so incredibly on the nose, because she actually served a story purpose. Banagher and Zinnerman are only saved from a slow death wandering the desert because she and Banagher share a newtype moment(TM)
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I haven't read the novels but I prefer the animated take of her just doing it because she's told since it echoes Banagher, Riddhe and a few others inheriting their parents will in various ways, but her anger at the Federation just being this empty motive with no personal connection that she's only chasing because she was told she should. Having Federation soldiers rape her mom gives her a personal connection, which takes away from that thematic relevance as well as being yet more rape backstory in a show already overly reliant on it.
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tsob posted:Having Federation soldiers rape her mom gives her a personal connection, which takes away from that thematic relevance as well as being yet more rape backstory in a show already overly reliant on it. The manga leaves that part out luckily. It plays story elements closer to the novels and takes out the same creepy stuff that the anime took out. In that respect it's a pretty good split between the 2 if you want an alternate take on Unicorn.
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Also, the whole ‘teenager piloting giant psychic war machine carrying the will of their dead father’ thing anime-Loni has going on creates some interesting parallels with Banagher. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he masters the NT-D in the same fight where she loses herself to the Shamblo’s psycommu.
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Well I finished watching the Seed Remaster, which is actually my first time watching Seed all the way through to the end, and I'm not sure whether I've just softened with age or Build Divers has lowered my standards, but it actually ended up being a lot better than I remembered. Well, the first 30 or so episodes are pretty meh, which is pretty much what I remembered but the ten-ish episode stretch from the first landing at Orb to the Invasion of Orb was actually pretty drat good (creepy doll faces aside). The final Strike/Aegis fight is probably one of the best in the series and they actually managed to have some real character development and not just teeny drama. The return to space I didn't like so much though. Between the leaders of both sides suddenly becoming super evil and suddenly puppet master super admiral Lacus, it just got a little ridiculous and the return to overusing stock animations didn't help. (Insert 30 seconds of lock-on computer and Meteor missile bays opening) The ending was.. satisfactory? I can't help but wonder if Kira's narrative wouldn't have been capped off better if he actually did die, but yes much like what was said in the previous Seed/Destiny discussions, the ending really didn't solve the conflict at all, it just destroyed all the super weapons. I also forgot just how ugly the Strike Dagger is as a design. A lot of Zaft stuff is pretty ugly too, but kind of cool ugly. The Dagger on the other hand is just gaudy. It shouldn't have been too hard to get a nice GM-alike out of the Strike but it just doesn't work at all.
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Loni from the anime loving sucks. She just kills a bunch of people for no goddamn reason, other than the fact she's mad at the federation. Yet at the same time the show goes on with Banagher yelling about how she's a good person. Sorry show, actions not words matter and if you don't have a single moment of on screen kindness from the character you can't tell me she's a good person. At least in the novels, Loni feels like a victim of her father's hatred, which is a kind of mirror to banagher and at least makes her somewhat sympathetic.
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Monaghan posted:Loni from the anime loving sucks. She just kills a bunch of people for no goddamn reason, other than the fact she's mad at the federation. Yet at the same time the show goes on with Banagher yelling about how she's a good person. Sorry show, actions not words matter and if you don't have a single moment of on screen kindness from the character you can't tell me she's a good person. At least in the novels, Loni feels like a victim of her father's hatred, which is a kind of mirror to banagher and at least makes her somewhat sympathetic. Did you miss the scene where the Shamblo ate her brain? Because that was pretty central to what went down at Torrington and why Banagher was trying to save her.
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I'm trying to recall something about the HD SeeD remake; Was the Perfect Strike Gundam a fan thing that got canonized or was it something Sunrise did first?
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'm trying to recall something about the HD SeeD remake; Was the Perfect Strike Gundam a fan thing that got canonized or was it something Sunrise did first? I think it was an MSV thing that they wanted to include but couldn’t figure out how to easily animate. Hence the Destiny, a more animator-friendly take on the same concept. I mean, it certainly looks like it was planned from day one - all of the Strike’s expansion packs are shaped like incomplete parts of a single whole.
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Darth Walrus posted:Did you miss the scene where the Shamblo ate her brain? Because that was pretty central to what went down at Torrington and why Banagher was trying to save her. She killed a bunch of people in Dakar as well. So either she's deliberately trying to kill a bunch of innocent civilians, or she's stupid enough to back into a machine which is compelling her to commit atrocities. She doesn't come out looking like a good person either way.
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Kind of like the rest of the Zeon remnants. A bunch of bitter old jerks who couldn't let go of the past actively loving over their own next of kin by instilling a desire for vengeance that destroys any chance for them to let go and have a future. Nobody came out of the attack on Torrington looking good.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Kind of like the rest of the Zeon remnants. A bunch of bitter old jerks who couldn't let go of the past actively loving over their own next of kin by instilling a desire for vengeance that destroys any chance for them to let go and have a future. The Byarlant Custom pilot kinda did.
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chiasaur11 posted:The Byarlant Custom pilot kinda did. Incidentally, I recently played a Super Robot Wars game that replaced that dude with Jerid of all people
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chiasaur11 posted:The Byarlant Custom pilot kinda did. He's a Titan scumlord trying to hide his past.
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Monaghan posted:She killed a bunch of people in Dakar as well. So either she's deliberately trying to kill a bunch of innocent civilians, or she's stupid enough to back into a machine which is compelling her to commit atrocities. She doesn't come out looking like a good person either way. IIRC, she just took out a Federation carrier during the Dakar attack. That’s a legit military target, unlike a residential district.
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She blasted a giant beam trench all the way to the Parliament building.
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RillAkBea posted:much like what was said in the previous Seed/Destiny discussions, the ending really didn't solve the conflict at all, it just destroyed all the super weapons. Well, I mean, that's kind of in the spirit of Gundam really. Mobile Suit Gundam's finale didn't actually resolve the central point of conflict between Earth and Zeon either; it just exhausted both sides so much that they took the excuse of the Zabis being dead to wrap up the war. Which is why not only can 0083, ZZ, Char's Counterattack and Unicorn all be about Zeon remnants trying to finish the fight, but F91, Victory and even Turn A and G-Reco can largely revolve around Spacenoid attempts to control the Earthsphere.
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