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Clark Nova posted:It preceded the movie by decades, and is considered a classic science fiction novel (for what that's worth). The whole "service guarantees citizenship" thing is completely 100% sincere, and the bugs are a pretty transparent stand-in for the commies. Apparently Verhoeven HATED the book and decided to make the movie a parody, of it and of US militarism and imperialism in general. Glad he did.
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Scathach posted:Nah he's an rear end in a top hat. "I'll leave you if you get an abortion" pretty much means he cares about his own emotions over her bodily autonomy and health and whatnot. He should definitely leave her so she can be free to find a person that gives a poo poo about her. If that’s how it went down, I agree with you. I can also see where if he said “I’d like to have this kid, but it’s up to you” (because it is) and she decides to abort then they maybe shouldn’t stay together after that. Accidental pregnancy sometimes lets you know you aren’t going to work out as a couple. He isn’t automatically a disrespectful monster for expressing his desired outcome and not wanting to be with her anymore if this reveals an incompatibility. From the text, I just don’t get why we are assuming he stormed in all HAVE THIS BABY OR ELSE. You can bet I’m going to re-read right after I post this though.
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burial posted:If that’s how it went down, I agree with you. I can also see where if he said “I’d like to have this kid, but it’s up to you” (because it is) and she decides to abort then they maybe shouldn’t stay together after that. Accidental pregnancy sometimes lets you know you aren’t going to work out as a couple. He isn’t automatically a disrespectful monster for expressing his desired outcome and not wanting to be with her anymore if this reveals an incompatibility. Yeah, pretty much. It also doesn't make a misogynist for wanting to keep the child or calling your girlfriend my 'chick' as most women say 'my man' or 'my dude' anyways. The whole virtue signalling is disgusting.
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Sep 11, 2018 03:24
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 also I thought Heinlein was the poo poo until I turned like 17, I'm a little embarrassed for the fully grown adults who look at his stuff and see great literature
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Sep 11, 2018 03:30
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Clark Nova posted:It preceded the movie by decades, and is considered a classic science fiction novel (for what that's worth). The whole "service guarantees citizenship" thing is completely 100% sincere, and the bugs are a pretty transparent stand-in for the commies. Apparently Verhoeven HATED the book and decided to make the movie a parody, of it and of US militarism and imperialism in general. If you can find the interview of michael ironside where he talks about how Verhoeven convinced him to do the movie (apparently Ironside is a bit of a lefty which i did not expect) it loving rules
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:also I thought Heinlein was the poo poo until I turned like 17, I'm a little embarrassed for the fully grown adults who look at his stuff and see great literature He had some good ideas but his prose wasn't that great and his characters were pretty, what? Vapid? Wooden? Trite? I still haven't finished Stranger in a Strange Land because of the way all the characters talk. v  Piers Anthony is just a weird nerd. Incarnations of Immortality were fun when I was a kid.
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Sep 11, 2018 03:33
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There were like dozens of those guys writing vaguely philosophical Flash Gordon poo poo back when he was a thing and some of them have uh aged more gracefully than others. I still have kind of a soft spot for Piers Anthony even though his entire schtick was  , at least he's aware his womanizing action hero self-insert is a gross old goonlord
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:There were like dozens of those guys writing vaguely philosophical Flash Gordon poo poo back when he was a thing and some of them have uh aged more gracefully than others. I still have kind of a soft spot for Piers Anthony even though his entire schtick was reread A Spell for Chameleon if you want to be disabused of that nostalgia
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:also I thought Heinlein was the poo poo until I turned like 17, I'm a little embarrassed for the fully grown adults who look at his stuff and see great literature Heinlein was probably a proto-goon and would not be as well remembered if he didn't continually shoehorn his weird sex ideas into every book.
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Ymmv but Heinlein's juveniles are about the best; they didn't achieve the cultural cachet of Stranger in a Strange Land but SF nerds would 1000% still be talking about him even if everything he'd ever written was G-rated
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Heinlein was good. Get Stranger in a Strange Land Unabridged Edition.
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Clark Nova posted:It preceded the movie by decades, and is considered a classic science fiction novel (for what that's worth). The whole "service guarantees citizenship" thing is completely 100% sincere, and the bugs are a pretty transparent stand-in for the commies. Apparently Verhoeven HATED the book and decided to make the movie a parody, of it and of US militarism and imperialism in general. Which made it loving... 
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La Brea Carpet posted:Heinlein was probably a proto-goon and would not be as well remembered if he didn't continually shoehorn his weird sex ideas into every book. That's like half the most well known sci-fi authors in a nutshell.
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andrew smash posted:reread A Spell for Chameleon if you want to be disabused of that nostalgia On the other hand, I did this recently (with several of the series because I have no sense of self preservation I guess), and maybe don't. They are so gross and awful as an adult.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Yeah, but it's ultimately her decision, not his. He wants to dump her if she makes the "wrong" decision, he's not just "letting her know how he feels". I dunno his current plan is to make his support for carrying the child to term known, let her make the decision, and then break up if it's the one he didn't want. That feels like literally the best he could possibly do in this situation. Forcing the ultimatum early would be far less respectful of her choice and an obvious manipulation tactic. What more exactly could you ask for from him really?
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ArbitraryC posted:I dunno his current plan is to make his support for carrying the child to term known, let her make the decision, and then break up if it's the one he didn't want. That feels like literally the best he could possibly do in this situation. Forcing the ultimatum early would be far less respectful of her choice and an obvious manipulation tactic. What more exactly could you ask for from him really? They think he's a bad person for having feelings about it in the first place.
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subpar anachronism posted:On the other hand, I did this recently (with several of the series because I have no sense of self preservation I guess), and maybe don't. They are so gross and awful as an adult. I loved Piers Anthony books as a teen because Internet porn wasn't a thing yet, I couldn't get nudie mags, but I could check out as many Piers Anthony books from the library as I wanted and my folks would never know it was smut. In high school, one of my friends did a dramatic reading of one of the sex scenes in one of the books and it was hilarious. I wish I hadn't lost touch with her because she fuckin' ruled.
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CheesyDog posted:BF wants open relationship (self.sex) Haifisch posted:I'm [18F] a bit creeped out by a guy in my dorm[18M] and not sure how to handle him. LadyPictureShow posted:Homework vs Football e: drat this thread is fast DeadMansSuspenders fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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Sep 11, 2018 07:10
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John Lee posted:In any case, yeah, the movie is considerably more entertaining. That's the truest thing ever said about the book v. movie controversy, The movie was a ton of fun, full stop, great piece of filmmaking. Anne Whateley posted:Ymmv but Heinlein's juveniles are about the best; they didn't achieve the cultural cachet of Stranger in a Strange Land but SF nerds would 1000% still be talking about him even if everything he'd ever written was G-rated If Heinlein had stopped at about Podkayne of Mars/Orphans of the Sky he'd be an uncontroversial grandmaster. He has great books written after that, but the end of the juveniles is where things got weird. Try Citizen of the Galaxy for some really visionary 1950s SF. mllaneza fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:This one's a doozy Ah yes, "if only everything was handed to me on a plate, what heights I could achieve." Also know as the libertarian's lament. Of course, in this case, this is only that start of that poor woman's troubles. Pick posted:I hate to tell you this, but this isn’t mental illness per se. Literally all these somewhat smart guys who’ve never experienced genuine adversity are like this. It’s really loving obnoxious. Reminds me of this: 
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This is what happens when kids don't play tycoon and sim games anymore and dream of building things rather than breaking them. Then again, Minecraft. Also, disasters. And Hitler should be an inspiration to these people, you don't even necessarily need to be born into power and wealth, you just need to be in the right place at the right time and the right kind of insane and hateful.
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andrew smash posted:reread A Spell for Chameleon if you want to be disabused of that nostalgia Or Bio of a Space Tyrant where, for the last couple of books of the series, the "hero" is in a sexual relationship with a mentally retarded 12 year old girl. So very much of the SF I read growing up does not hold up at all. It's either poorly written crap, contains really lovely ideas, or it turns out the authors were creeps and abusive sex weirds.
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My (26f) boyfriend's (24m) mother (50+f) is protesting my family's response to not allow her, her friend (50+f), and her dog to stay with us during a hurricane. She is now choosing to stay in the path of the storm. My boyfriend's mother asked if she, her best friend, and her husky could stay with me and my family at my parents house which much more inland from the storm and the coast.My family declined since they don't really know her (my dad has never met her), plus my mom is allergic to dogs, and they have never met her friend. I know my boyfriend's mother and she can be very nice at times, but pretty manipulative. My boyfriend lives across country, but has sent her links to airbnbs and hotels still available away from the hurricane's impact. In order to protest not being able to stay with my family, she is choosing to "ride out the storm" alone with the dog and staying right I'm the path of the storm, by the beach. I can't say I know her financials, but she can definitely afford a few nights in an airbnb, she works as a nurse supervisor. My boyfriend is stressing out about his mother taking this stubborn stance, but she is now ignoring his texts and calls. I am feeling guilty about not letting her stay with us, but at the same time I do not want to entertain this manipulative behavior. I feel bad for not taking his mother into our family, but I've seen her do a lot of things towards her children that makes me not want my parents to witness how difficult of a person she can be. I love my boyfriend and his mother, but I also feel I need to see boundaries in order to maintain my love for her particularly. TL;DR My boyfriend's mother is protesting my family's response to not allow her, her friend, and her dog to stay with us during a hurricane. She is now choosing to stay in the path of the storm. getting swept away in a hurricane to own the libs
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I guess the good news is they won't have to worry about her for long. Shame about the doggo though. 
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Ah yes, "if only everything was handed to me on a plate, what heights I could achieve." Also, not even true in Napoleon's case. Dude was a random second lieutenant.
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Smirking_Serpent posted:My (26f) boyfriend's (24m) mother (50+f) is protesting my family's response to not allow her, her friend (50+f), and her dog to stay with us during a hurricane. She is now choosing to stay in the path of the storm. I imagine if she were to stay with the boyfriend's family she would write a strongly worded email that the beds are "childish and inconvenient for adults".
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Ghost Leviathan posted:
Evidence would suggest this is often the case
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feedmegin posted:Also, not even true in Napoleon's case. Dude was a random second lieutenant. Napoleon got to the top through sweat, hard work, and Elba grease. 
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echopapa posted:Napoleon got to the top through sweat, hard work, and Elba grease. Oh Lord
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Absurd Alhazred posted:This one's a doozy quote:He was almost in tears telling me how he felt like he was a loser You should listen to him on this point and dump his basic rear end.
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andrew smash posted:reread A Spell for Chameleon if you want to be disabused of that nostalgia
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Heinlein and very r/relationships
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Are you still an incel if your apple-bottomed aunt crams you up her squish mitten at the office's illegal party toilet?
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It Came From r/LegalAdvice: My boss just informed me that, in the morning, HR will present me with a sexual harassment complaint/investigation against me. What are the steps I need to take to protect myself? quote:I'm the director of operations at my company. Moments ago, I was told by my boss, in confidence, to prepare to be officially accused and made aware of a sexual harassment investigation on me. This is from an incident that occurred in June. Bolding mine. Dude hosed up so bad that a hotel banned his entire company for life. He's also arguing in the comments that HR needs proof to fire him and he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
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SpaceViking posted:It Came From r/LegalAdvice: I get the feeling we either aren't hearing the whole story here or its STDH.txt because getting your whole company banned over what he said seems like a crazy overreaction. Yeah he was a drunk rear end in a top hat but banning the whole company? Seems weird. I get that the company can fire him for whatever reason but opening a sexual harassment case over something that happened off company time? Also seems weird. Leon Einstein posted:Lol that the guy blew up his life over creeping on a stranger at a company function. He doesn't say it was a company function just that they bought rooms at the hotel.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:Are you still an incel if your apple-bottomed aunt crams you up her squish mitten at the office's illegal party toilet? If so, yes.
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MarcusSA posted:I get the feeling we either aren't hearing the whole story here or its STDH.txt because getting your whole company banned over what he said seems like a crazy overreaction. Yeah he was a drunk rear end in a top hat but banning the whole company? Seems weird. he definitely didn't limit himself to a couple creepy comments and the "I was drunk" defense is him getting out ahead on saying he doesn't remember all the other poo poo
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:he definitely didn't limit himself to a couple creepy comments and the "I was drunk" defense is him getting out ahead on saying he doesn't remember all the other poo poo Yeah it is probably that. He probably tried to or did touch her and made her uncomfortable. Either way he is a loving moron.
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