[canada] I don't need to take lessons on marginalized people. I'm ITALIAN!

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Seat Safety Switch: May 27, 2008; MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.; Pillbug

Baloogan posted:

prime minister ford

Randy Ford.

# ? Sep 11, 2018 13:07

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# ? May 24, 2024 20:55

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

EvidenceBasedQuack posted:

You guys are depressing when you're right

e: so what's the most realistic way to counter the tide of stupidity? I think prop rep would help but won't do any good if better policies don't reach voters

a massive and consistent investment in education from pre-K to post-secondary, lasting across multiple generations without being cut by incoming governments

also coinciding with a shift in education focus away from stem and working through assigned tasks to focus on critical analytical skills and problem solving

also a dramatic shift away from the idea that job market success is the only way to measure educational achievement, since that's a great way to end up with a population that's dumb as poo poo when it comes to civic life but really good at being worker drones for multinational corporations

# ? Sep 11, 2018 13:11

bring back old gbs: Feb 28, 2007; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

ManlyGrunting posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-dt-wimdgE

bookmarked forever, thank you for this.

# ? Sep 11, 2018 13:13

EvidenceBasedQuack: Aug 15, 2015; A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

vyelkin posted:

a massive and consistent investment in education from pre-K to post-secondary, lasting across multiple generations without being cut by incoming governments

also coinciding with a shift in education focus away from stem and working through assigned tasks to focus on critical analytical skills and problem solving

also a dramatic shift away from the idea that job market success is the only way to measure educational achievement, since that's a great way to end up with a population that's dumb as poo poo when it comes to civic life but really good at being worker drones for multinational corporations

And thanks for your response

# ? Sep 11, 2018 13:25

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

EvidenceBasedQuack posted:

You guys are depressing when you're right

e: so what's the most realistic way to counter the tide of stupidity? I think prop rep would help but won't do any good if better policies don't reach voters

Beat the stupidity? That's harder but more STEM, better teachers, higher quality graduates. Richer societies tend to be more compassionate. Acknowledge and embrace the stupidity? That's easier, a leaderier leader, certainly in horwath's case, maybe a one strike you're out policy because the left is always too nice to replace their leaders. Top of my head, draft Cullen or Eby. People don't follow policy or platforms, they follow people look at goddamn Trudeau. Beaverton hit on that yesterday, https://www.thebeaverton.com/2018/09/ndp-consider-replacing-jagmeet-singh-with-one-of-their-other-nationally-known-charismatic-mps/

# ? Sep 11, 2018 14:59

Jan: Feb 27, 2008; The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

ocrumsprug posted:

I wasn�t really paying attention to the Ontario provincial election, but I am confident that the PCs won because more people in Ontario voted for them than one of the other parties. I know that is uncomfortable to hear if you are a resident of Ontario. Sorry.

More people voted for the PCs than a single other party, but more people voted for all other parties than for the PCs.

Parties getting majorities through FPTP go on to run amok like bulls in a china shop. Funny how that works. :thunk:

# ? Sep 11, 2018 18:24

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Source: Fair Vote Canada

# ? Sep 11, 2018 18:29

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

infernal machines posted:

Source: Fair Vote Canada

If you're going to do that, you should show the preferential ballot/equal riding system that elected doug ford over elliot too.

# ? Sep 11, 2018 18:48

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

why? that was an internal party affair, you'd be hard pressed to translate those results into the general election

# ? Sep 11, 2018 18:53

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

infernal machines posted:

why? that was an internal party affair, you'd be hard pressed to translate those results into the general election

Because the numbers would be fun, it was actually probably like 10 "voters" that gave us ford over elliot. The message is that you should join all political parties and vote in their leaderships because your votes count there enormously more than the general elections even though you might not like all the choices but that's true of general too.

# ? Sep 11, 2018 19:18

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Because the numbers would be fun, it was actually probably like 10 "voters" that gave us ford over elliot. The message is that you should join all political parties and vote in their leaderships because your votes count there enormously more than the general elections even though you might not like all the choices but that's true of general too.

this is good advice, though directly against the parties membership agreements. of course, we must respect the sanctity of ~*contracts*~

# ? Sep 11, 2018 19:51

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

infernal machines posted:

this is good advice, though directly against the parties membership agreements. of course, we must respect the sanctity of ~*contracts*~

another bonus, our empowered voter could potentially be the first person ever to have some kind of consequence for breaking that agreement.

# ? Sep 11, 2018 19:55

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

vyelkin posted:

a massive and consistent investment in education from pre-K to post-secondary, lasting across multiple generations without being cut by incoming governments

also coinciding with a shift in education focus away from stem and working through assigned tasks to focus on critical analytical skills and problem solving

also a dramatic shift away from the idea that job market success is the only way to measure educational achievement, since that's a great way to end up with a population that's dumb as poo poo when it comes to civic life but really good at being worker drones for multinational corporations

you forgot "not-lovely media"

all these things sound bad for corporations though, so it's "impractical"

Yinlock has issued a correction as of 20:34 on Sep 11, 2018

# ? Sep 11, 2018 20:31

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

infernal machines posted:

aaag dude, read jpag's twitter thread.

the judge ruled that bill 5 violated our section 2(b) charter rights. basically, campaigning and voting are free expression, and changing the rules in the middle of the election violated our right to that. the notwithstanding clause can make exemptions in the case of section 2 rights, and that's why we're boned.

there was also some awkward poo poo about effective representation that probably didn't directly tie in to a charter violation but was used to support the other arguments, realistically this would probably lose on appeal, but DoFo has too much of a hardon to wait for that, so they went nuclear instead.

the province originally argued that they can do whatever the gently caress when it comes to municipal elections, and they are not in any way covered by the charter. the judge disagreed and said that while they can abolish the municipal government, or change its makeup at will, since they created it and it exists now, the changes they make must adhere to the charter such as it can be applied to people's right to free expression via voting.

or in short: it would be fine(legally) if they waited until next election to do this, but ford wants it NOW so welp

# ? Sep 11, 2018 20:33

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

they could have passed this on october 23rd with narry a peep (well, lots of peeps, but no actual grounds for a challenge), but that would mean four whole years of a 47 ward toronto, and doug just couldn't abide that.

# ? Sep 11, 2018 20:36

James Baud: May 24, 2015; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Because the numbers would be fun, it was actually probably like 10 "voters" that gave us ford over elliot. The message is that you should join all political parties and vote in their leaderships because your votes count there enormously more than the general elections even though you might not like all the choices but that's true of general too.

What are you, some sort of dairy farmer?

# ? Sep 11, 2018 20:40

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

Yinlock posted:

you forgot "not-lovely media"

all these things sound bad for corporations though, so it's "impractical"

The only way the Canadian media can improve at this point, I think, is to continue to support smaller organizations like Canadaland and chip away at the entrencehd media class of pundits who get an unparalleled platform to spout dumb poo poo without major editorial oversight. And I say that while acknowledging that Jesse Brown's venture is far from perfect.

# ? Sep 11, 2018 20:59

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Dreylad posted:

The only way the Canadian media can improve at this point, I think, is to continue to support smaller organizations like Canadaland and chip away at the entrencehd media class of pundits who get an unparalleled platform to spout dumb poo poo without major editorial oversight. And I say that while acknowledging that Jesse Brown's venture is far from perfect.

another good step would be to actually have major editorial oversight

also, banning nazis from tv

# ? Sep 11, 2018 22:55

Eox: Jun 20, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

luring Ezra Levant away with the promise of a cask of fine amontillado would be a start

# ? Sep 11, 2018 23:02

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

Yinlock posted:

another good step would be to actually have major editorial oversight

also, banning nazis from tv

hilariously we might actually have a decent shot at this between hate speech laws and "only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."

# ? Sep 11, 2018 23:24

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Eox posted:

luring Ezra Levant away with the promise of a cask of fine amontillado would be a start

i'd just straight-up jail him as a terrorist personally

# ? Sep 12, 2018 06:30

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

i would jail a lot of right-wing agitators as terrorists

this is probably why i don't run a country

# ? Sep 12, 2018 06:57

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Postess with the Mostest posted:

The real bad guy here is first past the post I guess but that was there from the start. PCs had enough support to win from the start and nothing changed it. PCs need less support to win than the NDPs because of efficient voter distribution so they were certainly the underdogs. Charitably, the NDP failed to communicate their platform or make it appealing. Realistically, most people did understand the ndp platform, messaging and core values and still just voted PC or Lib because they aren't interested in that kind of thing and just want to afford a bit more groceries or porsches or grolsches every week. I guess they're kind of political scabs? I think it's day dreaming to think that this election was the ndp's to win if only the libs hadn't X, you're giving too much non existent progressive credit to the people who showed up to vote. NDP were never going to win.

The NDP struggles to win because they aren't seen as credible not because their policies are disliked. People in the burbs don't trust the NDP because they think the NDP are a bunch of union thugs, bleeding hearts and women with pink hair.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 07:35

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Helsing posted:

they think the NDP are a bunch of union thugs, bleeding hearts and women with pink hair.

well, i mean, they're not wrong.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 14:08

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

Yinlock posted:

i would jail a lot of right-wing agitators as terrorists

this is probably why i don't run a country

Id vote for you

And under prop rep you mught even have a chance

# ? Sep 12, 2018 14:11

freckle: Apr 6, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

bleeding heart union thugs with pink hair :swoon:

# ? Sep 12, 2018 14:15

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

at one of the locals i work with, the financial secretary has a shirt that says "Union Thug", which he wears to meetings occasionally.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 14:18

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Helsing posted:

The NDP struggles to win because they aren't seen as credible not because their policies are disliked. People in the burbs don't trust the NDP because they think the NDP are a bunch of union thugs, bleeding hearts and women with pink hair.

Oh hi dad. Yeah there's that too, I can see educated professional progressives voting nat des rosiers over lyra evans. Sometimes, the ndp has a problem getting credible candidates.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 14:29

Bert Roberge: Nov 28, 2003

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1039914786283114496

# ? Sep 12, 2018 17:46

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

lmao
https://twitter.com/sarahalidigital/status/1039918248987308032

they ended up clearing the gallery because people kept coughing every time the premier spoke.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 17:52

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

hey, we found the one time Conservatives are comfortable putting old white people in handcuffs

https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1039895022458621952

# ? Sep 12, 2018 17:56

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

infernal machines posted:

hey, we found the one time Conservatives are comfortable putting old white people in handcuffs

https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1039895022458621952

crazy, next thing you know they won't let you bring air horns in either

# ? Sep 12, 2018 18:01

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Postess with the Mostest posted:

crazy, next thing you know they won't let you bring air horns in either

free speech motherfucker

*brrrrt*

# ? Sep 12, 2018 18:02

EvidenceBasedQuack: Aug 15, 2015; A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

Handcuffs belong in government, not in bedrooms

# ? Sep 12, 2018 18:05

Salean: Mar 17, 2004; Homewrecker

doug ford sweeps into the PM office after running on a platform of federal buck a beer

# ? Sep 12, 2018 18:11

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

lmao. Bill loving Davis is calling out Ford for being an irresponsible little poo poo with the notwithstanding clause

# ? Sep 12, 2018 18:28

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

infernal machines posted:

lmao. Bill loving Davis is calling out Ford for being an irresponsible little poo poo with the notwithstanding clause

"Most experts say that Ford is on firm legal ground."

Nice, it's like climate change where it's really complicated and I don't understand it so I'll just go with expert consensus on this one.

# ? Sep 12, 2018 18:31

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

this has been discussed to death, his invocation of s33 is entirely legal, there was never any question of that. it's just also a really loving dumb reason to do it

# ? Sep 12, 2018 18:35

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Bert Roberge posted:

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1039914786283114496

Uhm, how the is that spray supposed to stop a bear if it can't even incapacitate one bong wielding stoner?

# ? Sep 12, 2018 18:45

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# ? May 24, 2024 20:55

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

the devil weed gives them super strength and their drug addled brains cannot comprehend pain

geez, it's like you didn't even watch reefer madness

# ? Sep 12, 2018 18:46

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