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Like how Colonel Sanders didn't properly start KFC until he was over 60.
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Harrison Ford was in his late 30s/early 40s when he made Star Wars and Indiana Jones. Although I have this conspiracy theory that he’s about 10 years younger than he claims to be, as his first on camera role he was “24” but looked like a teenager, and has always looked younger than his age. My thinking is, he lied about his age to get his first job, and it’s all been spiraling from there on.
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Sep 13, 2018 11:16
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Egbert Souse posted:welp And you're right in the first part of this post too.
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Sep 13, 2018 11:28
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Coffee And Pie posted:Harrison Ford was in his late 30s/early 40s when he made Star Wars and Indiana Jones. Did a lot of famous actors used to break through when they were older? For example, Gene Hackman got his breakout role when he was about 37 and I don't think he really became a leading man until after French Connection, by which time he was in his early 40s. Or would that sort of thing be an outlier?
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Sep 13, 2018 11:31
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I've still got two years to hit the average which us doable.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Did a lot of famous actors used to break through when they were older? For example, Gene Hackman got his breakout role when he was about 37 and I don't think he really became a leading man until after French Connection, by which time he was in his early 40s. Or would that sort of thing be an outlier? At the very least, they used to make a lot of movies about older men, whereas women would still get famous in their early 20s. I’m sure this is a product of misogyny but I just woke up so I’m too tired to connect those dots.
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Sep 13, 2018 11:48
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I think you could probably point to any era and find plenty of cases of (male) actors breaking out in later life—but it also depends on what you mean by breaking out. Christoph Waltz springs to mind for me as having his star rise at 53, but he was a working actor for his entire adult life on television. Christ Pratt didn't become a movie star until he was 35, but he was in a beloved sitcom for years before that.
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Sep 13, 2018 11:54
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the homeless guy with the voice of a TV announcer didnt get his big break til he was like 60 so dont lose hope yall
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Sep 13, 2018 12:14
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Charles Laughton was 56 when he made his first and only film The Night of the Hunter. Also, Luis Bunuel was in his 60s and 70s when he made his best-known films.
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Sep 13, 2018 13:22
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Egbert Souse posted:Charles Laughton was 56 when he made his first and only film The Night of the Hunter. Laughton had been very successful as an actor (won an Oscar for that movie where he was Henry VIII) for many years before that, though.
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Sep 13, 2018 13:38
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Alan Vega was 39 when Suicide’s first album was released.Coffee And Pie posted:At the very least, they used to make a lot of movies about older men, whereas women would still get famous in their early 20s. I’m sure this is a product of misogyny but I just woke up so I’m too tired to connect those dots. Men can basically act whenever, but a large number of women in the entertainment industry get big in their 20s but see their roles decline once they approach their mid-30s, and then after that they get typecast as maternal figures of some kind.
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Sep 13, 2018 14:06
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There is an army of people out there that think this exact thing, imo it's the main reason the Marvel films are well recieved by nerds.
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Sep 13, 2018 14:23
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Egbert Souse posted:Charles Laughton was 56 when he made his first and only film The Night of the Hunter. Speaking of, rewatched it recently. It's a masterpiece, absolutely. But man is it janky on a technical level, even by the standards of the era. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:There is an army of people out there that think this exact thing, imo it's the main reason the Marvel films are well recieved by nerds. They're also often a lot older than you'd guess.
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Sep 13, 2018 14:33
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Nah, I'd guess they were all 35-55. It's happening in a lot of nerd type activities right now, as the hardcore get older but haven't changed their intellectual diet in the slightest, their main concern is agitating for being pandered to. Remember all the people that said IW was good because it traumatized children?
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Sep 13, 2018 14:36
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While the MCU films are certainly more faithful adaptations of the comic stories than, say, the Schumacher Batman films, they're hardly direct translations of the comic book stories into movies. Watchmen was extremely close to the source material and nerds were pretty lukewarm on that one. I don't think your theory stands up to scrutiny.
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Sep 13, 2018 14:44
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 This is what nerds actually believe.
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Egbert Souse posted:Also, Luis Bunuel was in his 60s and 70s when he made his best-known films. Buñuel deserves special credit for consistently being an incredibly acclaimed director all the way from his first work in 1929 to his final film in 1977. Not many directors can claim to have been at the top of their game for nearly 50 years. Dissapointed Owl posted:Speaking of, rewatched it recently. It's a masterpiece, absolutely. But man is it janky on a technical level, even by the standards of the era. I'd be curious to hear you elaborate on that, because I think it's one of the most masterfully crafted films I've ever seen.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Nah, I'd guess they were all 35-55. It's happening in a lot of nerd type activities right now, as the hardcore get older but haven't changed their intellectual diet in the slightest, their main concern is agitating for being pandered to. Terrifying. Samuel Clemens posted:I'd be curious to hear you elaborate on that, because I think it's one of the most masterfully crafted films I've ever seen. I'm sure these are intentional decisions, but some of the cuts and sound looping I would definitely define as 'janky'. For instance, the abrupt cut after Mitchum gets his fingers stuck in the door and he clams up immediately in the next shot. And the audio looping after he gets shot near the end and runs for the barn. I love the movie dearly, probably because of these decisions. But they're still interesting decisions worth noting.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:18
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Lurdiak posted:While the MCU films are certainly more faithful adaptations of the comic stories than, say, the Schumacher Batman films, they're hardly direct translations of the comic book stories into movies. Watchmen was extremely close to the source material and nerds were pretty lukewarm on that one. I don't think your theory stands up to scrutiny. They're not talking about direct translations, they're talking about having lawyers enforce fancasting wishlists. The point is not to have the films directly translate the comics, it's to "do it the right way", i.e. transpose the fantasy that reading comic books provide from page to screen. It's not your job to interpret, your job is to porter.
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Dissapointed Owl posted:I'm sure these are intentional decisions, but some of the cuts and sound looping I would definitely define as 'janky'. For instance, the abrupt cut after Mitchum gets his fingers stuck in the door and he clams up immediately in the next shot. And the audio looping after he gets shot near the end and runs for the barn. Oh, I see what you mean. The Night of the Hunter definitely violates a lot of conventions in editing and (audio) design that we expect a film to uphold, but I think these jarring elements add to its unique mix of straight drama and fairy tale. It presents a world in which a man like Harry Powell is somehow both a disturbingly realistic portrayal of a scam artist/murderer and a fantastical boogeyman who acts like a cartoon character when cornered without resolving these contradictions or without them even coming across as contradictory to the audience.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:They're not talking about direct translations, they're talking about having lawyers enforce fancasting wishlists. The point is not to have the films directly translate the comics, it's to "do it the right way", i.e. transpose the fantasy that reading comic books provide from page to screen. It's not your job to interpret, your job is to translate. There's also an element of purification involved, I think. Making a movie out of a comic book allows elements of the story or characters that are deemed unnecessary or unpalatable to be burned out. This started when Marvel created the Ultimate Universe as a way to capitalize on the original Spider-Man and X-Men movies. Fanboys already yearned for movies to make "legitimate" entertainment out of their childhood obsessions. Now they go one step further and want comic books to be passed through the filter of Hollywood blockbusters so they can have the most popular and therefore most "real" version of their favorites. They want to wring every ounce of shame out of their fixation, and it's working.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:37
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:There is an army of people out there that think this exact thing, imo it's the main reason the Marvel films are well recieved by nerds. I fuckin’ hate adaptation absolutionists, but I don’t think there’s any connection to the Marvel fanboys - they constantly claim that they love the MCU because it “truly brings the original comics to life” while ignoring fundamental differences like the (until recently) lack of Spider-Man or Wolverine, or they’ll praise the changes to things like Thanos’s motivations or Tony Stark’s alcoholism. The accuracy of the adaptations is usually used as a smokescreen for something else for Marvel fans.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:39
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I'm not totally convinced self proclaimed comic book fans do more than skim the series they buy week to week.
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A lot of them do less than that. Comic fans are notorious for having large pull-lists of stuff they never read.
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Samuel Clemens posted:Oh, I see what you mean. The Night of the Hunter definitely violates a lot of conventions in editing and (audio) design that we expect a film to uphold, but I think these jarring elements add to its unique mix of straight drama and fairy tale. It presents a world in which a man like Harry Powell is somehow both a disturbingly realistic portrayal of a scam artist/murderer and a fantastical boogeyman who acts like a cartoon character when cornered without resolving these contradictions or without them even coming across as contradictory to the audience. Agree completely.
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Detective No. 27 posted:
Maybe they should've picked a book that wasn't complete poo poo for their example.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Maybe they should've picked a book that wasn't complete poo poo for their example. Actually, I think it's an ideal pick for their argument. Because those movies don't make a goddamn lick of sense if you haven't read the books.
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The rub is that it actually makes it look like the movie is, in both breadth and depth, a reasonable proportion of the book. Like, everything that's left out is literally marginalia.
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Sep 13, 2018 17:01
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I'm not totally convinced self proclaimed comic book fans do more than skim the series they buy week to week. The thing is that comics fans don't like the comics either, so the movies are perceived as 'fixing' them - creating the real version. The Disney trick of naming these things "Civil War" or "Age of Ultron", or other familiar titles, is that nerds will automatically have an enormous wikipedia backlog of information with which to generate speculation and hype. "How are they going to fix this garbage series?" It goes back to the origin myth of the franchise, where Iron Man was a garbage "D-List" superhero who nobody ever heard of, but now we have the real version. The movie fulfills the unrealized potential of the comics. And so Disney must be given ownership of all other properties so that they can 'fix' the Wolverines and the Blades and the Fantastic Fours....
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Sep 13, 2018 17:02
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feedmyleg posted:Yeah but lots of beloved writers only published their first novel in their 40s or 50s so we've all still got a chance. Brett Easton Ellis was like 21 when he published Less Than Zero.
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Sep 13, 2018 17:27
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I think the point was to talk about good authors and directors. e: Like Raymond Radiguet, who published his debut novel at 16.
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Sep 13, 2018 17:30
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Local theater chain announced its October lineup, and the first three movies are Night of the Living Dead, a mystery slasher movie, and... motherfucking Wicked City, one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen. At least the rest of the lineup is pretty solid.
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Sep 13, 2018 17:35
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I think the point was to talk about good authors and directors. Less Than Zero, Rules of Attraction and American Psycho are all amazing books.
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Sep 13, 2018 17:40
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Skwirl posted:Less Than Zero, Rules of Attraction and American Psycho are all amazing books. How's the prose?
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Sep 13, 2018 17:44
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I suppose on the other hand, two authors whose novels I enjoy a lot are Raymond Chandler and Rex Stout, who were both in their 40s before they became full-time writers of fiction. Elmore Leonard had been a jobbing writer for decades and was 60 when he finally got his big break. I imagine the same "rules" as apply to acting vis-a-vis age won't apply to writing, though. Completely different endeavours.
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Sep 13, 2018 17:50
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What are some of y'all's favorite unproduced screenplays from yesteryear? I'd love to read some of the great "what could have been" films that never came to be.
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Sep 13, 2018 18:16
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The original matrix reloaded script has the 100 man fight literally pile up thousands of corpses from Agent Smith casualties and then the kid from the animatrix shows up. Also agent Smith has a rad pony tail.
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Sep 13, 2018 18:23
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X-Ray Pecs posted:Local theater chain announced its October lineup, and the first three movies are Night of the Living Dead, a mystery slasher movie, and... motherfucking Wicked City, one of the worst movies I’ve ever seen. At least the rest of the lineup is pretty solid. The anime Wicked City or the live-action? I haven't seen either, but I've heard some good things about the live-action one. Almost Blue fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Sep 13, 2018 |
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Sep 13, 2018 18:33
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FreudianSlippers posted:The average director makes his first feature at 30. This is kind of my goal. See if it pans out.
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feedmyleg posted:What are some of y'all's favorite unproduced screenplays from yesteryear? I'd love to read some of the great "what could have been" films that never came to be. They’re actually producing my favorite so I won’t say that one, but the Jack Black Green Lantern script is worth a read. Also that Shane Carruth script that never got made.
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