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SKULL.GIF posted:I never found that argument convincing at all. Imagine what Jim Brown would look like if he grew up today having access to modern sports medicine and training methods (and growth hormones). Why do his opponents get the benefit of that doubt but Brown doesn't? I think I agree but I cant stop thinking about if Jim Brown had growth hormones and all that poo poo back then he would have been so hilariously dominant I think other teams would refuse to play against him
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I dunno what you could mean. At least he was 60 years old in that picture 
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Sep 14, 2018 19:54
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pasaluki posted:I think I agree but I cant stop thinking about if Jim Brown had growth hormones and all that poo poo back then he would have been so hilariously dominant I think other teams would refuse to play against him At that point you probably just line up in the wing T, have Jim stand 10 yards to take the snap and long snap and let him treat every play like a punt return
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If Drew Brees had played in the 70s people would look back and say he'd never make it now
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Ches Neckbeard posted:When you didn't think it could get dumber than exotic smashmouth okay yeah I may be done with Vrabel if he's not just bullshitting here.
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cavallingus posted:
Please, I’m begging you, stop showing every Titans game here.
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Jonathan Fisk posted:If Drew Brees had played in the 70s people would look back and say he'd never make it now I mean in general I have a simple rule that no accomplishments from before a league integrated mean jack poo poo but aside from that, the NFL pre and post 1978 are basically an entirely different sport.
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pasaluki posted:I think I agree but I cant stop thinking about if Jim Brown had growth hormones and all that poo poo back then he would have been so hilariously dominant I think other teams would refuse to play against him All I can think of when I read that is this video from that super shortlived Onion show on CC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BjOiPkueto
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King Hong Kong posted:Please, I’m begging you, stop showing every Titans game here. Do you live in Medford Or?
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Kalli posted:I mean in general I have a simple rule that no accomplishments from before a league integrated mean jack poo poo but aside from that, the NFL pre and post 1978 are basically an entirely different sport. What if Jim Brown was black
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Bip Roberts posted:Do you live in Medford Or? In the Medford TV market.
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King Hong Kong posted:In the Medford TV market. Is that not a secondary market for the niners, raiders, or seahawks so you get defaulted to the butt game?
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Jonathan Fisk posted:What if Jim Brown was black I know Jim Brown was black smart guy. The NFL was still mostly segregated, with most teams having official / unofficial quotas of black players, and whenever possible, they limited them to specific positions to keep their numbers artificially low, leading to most of the good black players of that era to end up in the AFL.
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Bip Roberts posted:Is that not a secondary market for the niners, raiders, or seahawks so you get defaulted to the butt game? The reason is Mariota, who I don’t think anyone in Oregon still cares about and certainly not where I am.
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Sep 14, 2018 20:08
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All markets should show Mariota's games, imo He may not have a functioning arm anymore, though.
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Kalli posted:I know Jim Brown was black smart guy. The NFL was still mostly segregated, with most teams having official / unofficial quotas of black players, and whenever possible, they limited them to specific positions to keep their numbers artificially low, leading to most of the good black players of that era to end up in the AFL. Yeah ofc but the "records don't matter before integration" attitude, while morally commendable, ignores the fact that white players excelled in an integrated AFL Negro League players could have been stars in the MLB but that doesn't mean babe Ruth would have washed out. You're not talking about college v pro caliber players
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Kalli posted:I know Jim Brown was black smart guy. The NFL was still mostly segregated, with most teams having official / unofficial quotas of black players, and whenever possible, they limited them to specific positions to keep their numbers artificially low, leading to most of the good black players of that era to end up in the AFL. I normally agree with you Kalli, but you could have had Jim Brown in an integrated league, or in an all black league, probably even a robot league and he still would have hosed everyone up. The fact that he trampled over a bunch of pasty white guys is funny, but make no mistake that he was not a loving great running back.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Note that his current username is 'A Man and His Dog' IIRC which might be the cause of some confusion I thought it was now 'A Man and His Hog'?
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Jonathan Fisk posted:Yeah ofc but the "records don't matter before integration" attitude, while morally commendable, ignores the fact that white players excelled in an integrated AFL Yeah, and my argument is simply that Jim Brown isn't the "greatest RB" ever, he's just among them somewhere, due to playing in an era that was too different from modern players. pasaluki posted:I normally agree with you Kalli, but you could have had Jim Brown in an integrated league, or in an all black league, probably even a robot league and he still would have hosed everyone up. Yeah, I'm just saying Barry's better, that's all.
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pubic works project posted:I thought it was now 'A Man and His Hog'?
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Bip Roberts posted:Did Jim Brown even do weight training? I think he did some boxing in the offseason.
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cavallingus posted:that's not rg3 btw Who is it?
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Jim Brown would've been the greatest if he just beat the poo poo out of Art Modell when he told him to stop making movies and show up early for training camp.
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Kalli posted:Yeah, and my argument is simply that Jim Brown isn't the "greatest RB" ever, he's just among them somewhere, due to playing in an era that was too different Sure, but does it then follow that as sports science and training improves the best player of each new generation is the best player of all time?
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Kalli posted:Jim Brown would've been the greatest if he just beat the poo poo out of Art Modell when he told him to stop making movies and show up early for training camp. Imo he should have beat nfl owners but not women
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King Hong Kong posted:In the Medford TV market. Ooh! Are you a Shakespeare guy, or do you just live in Grants Pass Also loving hell GOAT arguments are tired
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Jonathan Fisk posted:Sure, but does it then follow that as sports science and training improves the best player of each new generation is the best player of all time? It's mostly the fault of football itself, where the league just has drastically shifted multiple times over the decades, but I find that the way the talent gap shrank throughout the 70's along with the sheer number of rule changes that occurred leading up to '78 which coincidentally led to all the great QB's of the 80's basically defining the position to be the best delineation point. And even there you can look at what Marino had to deal with in '84 compared to the baby soft coverages 2013 Peyton was passing against and argue for further breakdowns, but I think in general you can point to players of the last 4 years and go yeah, he's the best and not worry about it too much. Like despite being a giant Moss homer, I'm fine with Jerry Rice as the greatest WR, or Reggie White as pass rusher or Ray Lewis as murderer.
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Jonathan Fisk posted:Sure, but does it then follow that as sports science and training improves the best player of each new generation is the best player of all time? In like the distant future Jeff Tuel IV will be considered the best player ever due to his cybernetic implants and literal homing missle arm. People will look at the greats now like we do Jim Brown.
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pubic works project posted:Who is it? Some discord weirdo.
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Alaois posted:actually the best running back of all time was Marion Motley not nearly enough respect for Jim Thorpe in this thread
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cavallingus posted:that's not rg3 btw Yes it is. King Hong Kong posted:Please, I’m begging you, stop showing every Titans game here. I'm glad Andrew Luck is back because the Indy games keep expanding into my area. Without him, Colts games never were broadcast here.
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I would just like to point out how much bullshit that map posted earlier consists of, given that the Chiefs should clearly be the team for Kansas that is not based in Kansas.
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No Butt Stuff posted:I would just like to point out how much bullshit that map posted earlier consists of, given that the Chiefs should clearly be the team for Kansas that is not based in Kansas. I refuse to believe the Bucs have out of state fans. We don't even have in state fans.
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No Butt Stuff posted:I would just like to point out how much bullshit that map posted earlier consists of, given that the Chiefs should clearly be the team for Kansas that is not based in Kansas.
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I'm kind of surprised, probably no 90+ games in Foxborough, but there's been an awful lot of hot septembers in Miami. https://twitter.com/NickSpada/status/1040669331233943552
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Rodgers is officially listed as questionable against the Vikings.  Packers even if he ends up playing
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Kalli posted:It's mostly the fault of football itself, where the league just has drastically shifted multiple times over the decades, but I find that the way the talent gap shrank throughout the 70's along with the sheer number of rule changes that occurred leading up to '78 which coincidentally led to all the great QB's of the 80's basically defining the position to be the best delineation point. Best murderer is obviously Hernandez.
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Hizawk posted:Best murderer is obviously Hernandez. Uhhhh....Ray Lewis might have something to say about that.
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